If Quebec is indivisable, then by their rhetoric, so is Canada?

CDNBear

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How can Quebec support the double standard that a soveriegn Quebec could/should/would not be divisable?

IE; Native territories and Natives that overwhelmingly wish to stay within the Nation of Canada.

"There is no way that any Quebecker would accept that a square inch of that territory be extracted from Quebec." {784}
Bloc Québécois Leader, Lucien Bouchard, 1994
"Et le principe de l'intégrité territoriale...peut-il à son tour être invoqué pour le Québec...sans heurter d'autres' droits à l'autodétermination?" {785}
F. Brousseau, 1995
The PQ government takes the position that it can impair the territorial integrity and cause the break-up of Canada in its present form, in the event of an affirmative simple majority vote in the Québec referendum. At the same time, the government claims that the "territorial integrity" of Québec is unassailable, {786} regardless of the claims of self-determination of Aboriginal peoples (or an overwhelming supramajority in any Aboriginal referendum vote). In this regard, D. Cliche, special advisor on Aboriginal affairs to Premier Parizeau, states:
"...the freedom to walk away from an independent Quebec...That's where we don't agree...We can never accept the idea that aboriginal lands can be taken out of Quebec."{787}
S. Scott (McGill University) comments on this type of double standard {788} on the part of the PQ government as follows:
"Ceci amène à la question de l'intégrité territoriale et du double standard. Pour certains, le Canada est divisible, et le Québec ne l'est pas. Je ne puis accepter ce genre de raisonnement, soit sur le plan du droit constitutionnel, soit sur le plan du droit international, soit même sur le plan de la simple morale. Tout argument voulant que le Québec soit indivisible veut aussi que le Canada le soit également. Et tout argument voulant que le Canada soit divisible veut que le Québec le soit aussi." {789}
[Emphasis in original.]

["This brings me to the question of territorial integrity and the double standard. I cannot accept this kind of reasoning, be it on the level of constitutional law, on the level of international law, even on level of simple morality. Any argument suggesting that Québec is indivisible suggests also that Canada is as well. And any argument suggesting that Canada is divisible suggests that Québec is also." [Unofficial English translation, emphasis in original.]]
In addition, S. Dion states:
"...si le territoire du Canada devait être partagé en dépit de l'intégrité territoriale que lui garantit le droit international, le territoire du Québec aussi pourrait être partagé." {790}
M. Venne reports on the position of the Chiefs of the First Nations in Québec as follows:
"Les chefs amérindiens du Québec rejettent le concept de l'intégrité du Québec' et affirment avoir le droit de choisir avec qui (ils veulent) s'associer,' que le Québec devienne souverain ou non. Ils soutiennent d'ailleurs que toute modification du cadre constitutionnel ou politique exigera (leur) consentement'." {791}

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http://www.uni.ca/library/si_sect06.html
 

shannon

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You can bet your top dollar that if Quebec ever votes to succeed from Canada, Montreal will partition itself from Quebec and remain a part of Canada. The partitionists have very strong support in Montreal and most towns in Montreal have passed a resolution to remain in Canada in the event of a successful vote to separate from Canada.
 

CDNBear

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It's been summized that if we cease talks with Quebec, that some seperatists may resort to a campain of violence to force the issue.

What do you think they will do to the communities that wish not to seperate, if they so choose to rally against a soveriegn Quebec?

Thanx for that tid bit of info, do you have any supporting links or news articles? I need to proof to stem the tide of moonbat rhetoric, lol.
 

CDNBear

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Of course Quebec is divisible.

It would probably go out with the boundaries similar to that of Lower Canada.
So we would like to think, well as Natives anyway, but do you think Quebec would stand for that?
 

Dexter Sinister

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Everything is on the table.
You speak for the separatists, do you? No it's not, not from the perspective of the PQ and BQ anyway. Repeated statements from them have made it clear that they do not consider Quebec to be partitionable. Did you actually read the OP? How much clearer could it be?
 

CDNBear

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Everything is on the table.
Yes I'm sure it is. As it was stated in the material I posted, in their own words. It is all on the table. They will not accept the division of Quebec. Are they in for a rude awakening. If you think the serepatists are above trucking BS in from across the province to feed the Natives and non French a line, you may want to PM me, I have some land for sale in Florida, $1 an acre.

You speak for the separatists, do you? No it's not, not from the perspective of the PQ and BQ anyway. Repeated statements from them have made it clear that they do not consider Quebec to be partitionable. Did you actually read the OP? How much clearer could it be?
Dex, clarity and even handed consideration is not a priority of the seperatists. Separation is.

Numure is honest, and correct.

Of course, the BQ and the PQ will say it is not on the table. That is what you'd expect Quebec's starting negotiating position to be.

And my guess is that if independence did happen, then Montreal would remain whole in Quebec.
I'm really having difficulty getting a handle on where you stand Toro. I would have thought you were with the Federalists and would sound off in glowing colours as such.
 

Numure

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You speak for the separatists, do you? No it's not, not from the perspective of the PQ and BQ anyway. Repeated statements from them have made it clear that they do not consider Quebec to be partitionable. Did you actually read the OP? How much clearer could it be?

When an intelligent person enters negociations, for anything, he will enter them with the strongest position. Taking a position from the start, as Québec isnt divisable, is puting the odds on your side. Its all long term thought.

But as I've repeated time after time, nothing is clear until there is a mandate. Winning a referendum isnt independance the day after, its a mandate to negotiate independance. And with that, everything is on the table.
 

CDNBear

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When an intelligent person enters negociations, for anything, he will enter them with the strongest position. Taking a position from the start, as Québec isnt divisable, is puting the odds on your side. Its all long term thought.

But as I've repeated time after time, nothing is clear until there is a mandate. Winning a referendum isnt independance the day after, its a mandate to negotiate independance. And with that, everything is on the table.
You are insinuating the seperatists are intellegent, if they really were, they would not be banking on the Natives to follow them blindly in to an abyss. Nor would they assume, that the Natives will not rise up.

Actually, come to think of it, if they were intellegent, they wouldn't want to seperate in the first place.
 

Numure

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You are insinuating the seperatists are intellegent, if they really were, they would not be banking on the Natives to follow them blindly in to an abyss. Nor would they assume, that the Natives will not rise up.

Like the natives pose a treat to anyone? The only reason they are still around is out of pity and remorse.
 

CDNBear

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Like the natives pose a treat to anyone? The only reason they are still around is out of pity and remorse.
Please continue to tell yourself and your fellow seperatists that. I'll wave at you from the top of an old APC as we drive down your street, You'll recognise it easity. It'll be the one with the big yellow smilie face with a mohawk, painted on the front.

The gun trade on Kahnasatake is lucrative. So is the Army surplus equipment we have.

We'll be seein' ya.
 

Numure

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Please continue to tell yourself and your fellow seperatists that. I'll wave at you from the top of an old APC as we drive down your street, You'll recognise it easity. It'll be the one with the big yellow smilie face with a mohawk, painted on the front.

The gun trade on Kahnasatake is lucrative. So is the Army surplus equipment we have.

We'll be seein' ya.

:laughing7:
 

Numure

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We'll send in a few truck loads of beer, some drugs and the problem is solved. Not even 1 police officer dead and we solved the native problem.:laughing7:
 

CDNBear

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We'll send in a few truck loads of beer, some drugs and the problem is solved. Not even 1 police officer dead and we solved the native problem.:laughing7:
Thanx for removing all doubt about your racist tendancies. That will be your down fall Manure.

That's about all you'll be able to send, everyone knows all the QPP or Cirque duh Quebec officers will be hiding or running to join the Laurentien Highlanders. What's left of the Army after only the treasonous ones stay will have nothing in the way of Canadian weapons. So bring it smart guy. We'll see who's laughing at Quebec at the end of the day.
 

Dalreg

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CDNBear I have an idea, Lets get the seperatists on one side and the Native people on the other. Last side standing gets to keep Quebec.
 

Nikki

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Personally I am so sick and tired of this QUE ****. If you don't want to be a part of Canada get the hell out! What pisses me off abotu it is if you go to the webpage and read what the sepertists want they actually want Canada to continue to support them (financially) and they want to be able to use our money! Sorry but if you want to leave you are one your own. :angry6:

CDNBear I have an idea, Lets get the seperatists on one side and the Native people on the other. Last side standing gets to keep Quebec.

There's a good idea.... *rolls eyes* LOL.