Newbie
Posts: 15 
Location: Utah
Location: Utah
August 28th, 2006, 08:01 PM
Would the Turks and Caicos become a major entry point for illegals? Frankly, I doubt it. On a practical level, a territory that is not part of a nation proper is not the best entry point for illegals. If an illegal sneaks into a island territory, they're still a plane ride away. And planes require I.D., money, etc. It's much more difficult to sneak on a plane than walk across a border or hop on a train.
As evidence I'd like to point to the Netherlands Antilles, or Puerto Rico. Neither of those territories are major entry points of illegals into Holland or the U.S. respectively. The Turks and Caicos aren't a major entry point of illegals into the U.K., so why would that change if they became a Canadian territory?
Would the Turks and Caicos become a major entry point for illegals? Frankly, I doubt it. On a practical level, a territory that is not part of a nation proper is not the best entry point for illegals. If an illegal sneaks into a island territory, they're still a plane ride away. And planes require I.D., money, etc. It's much more difficult to sneak on a plane than walk across a border or hop on a train.
As evidence I'd like to point to the Netherlands Antilles, or Puerto Rico. Neither of those territories are major entry points of illegals into Holland or the U.S. respectively. The Turks and Caicos aren't a major entry point of illegals into the U.K., so why would that change if they became a Canadian territory?
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
August 28th, 2006, 08:40 PM
Obviously, islands like the Turks inspire diaspora. I'm sure there are at least three times the number of individuals 'offshore' connected by family to the islanders as live on the island. Why shouldn't they then use their family connections to bypass our supposedly strict migrant scrutiny? Canada doesn't vett relatives of new citizens. Family reunification is one of our system's biggest embarrassments.
Obviously, islands like the Turks inspire diaspora. I'm sure there are at least three times the number of individuals 'offshore' connected by family to the islanders as live on the island. Why shouldn't they then use their family connections to bypass our supposedly strict migrant scrutiny? Canada doesn't vett relatives of new citizens. Family reunification is one of our system's biggest embarrassments.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
August 28th, 2006, 08:42 PM
I think not, eastern Ontario has wanted independence for a long time. It's part of cultural lore here. In the small communities that dot this part of the province, talk of independence from the giant spawned by confederation has always been table talk.
I think not, eastern Ontario has wanted independence for a long time. It's part of cultural lore here. In the small communities that dot this part of the province, talk of independence from the giant spawned by confederation has always been table talk.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,467 
August 28th, 2006, 08:57 PM
I see this as a win-win situation. They get out social systems and tourist dollars, we get their climate. As someone pointed out, how much money do Canadians spend going south each year? Now that at least some of that money would stay in Canada. I think this would be a huge benefit to Canadians and the TCs at the expense of all the other fun in the sun tourist destinations.
I see this as a win-win situation. They get out social systems and tourist dollars, we get their climate. As someone pointed out, how much money do Canadians spend going south each year? Now that at least some of that money would stay in Canada. I think this would be a huge benefit to Canadians and the TCs at the expense of all the other fun in the sun tourist destinations.
Chief Mogrifier
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August 28th, 2006, 09:02 PM
tamarin
I think there is one thing we can be sure of, and that is that the T & C will never join Canada. At one time, it might have been a good idea for both countries. I doubt now the the islanders would even agree with the move. The world has discovered the two hundred odd miles of white sand beaches. They don't need Canada. The population of the eight islands is less than 25,000 people, if they all came to Toronto you wouldn't notice the difference. The other thing is that the trip to Canada is not going to suddenly become free.
tamarin
I think there is one thing we can be sure of, and that is that the T & C will never join Canada. At one time, it might have been a good idea for both countries. I doubt now the the islanders would even agree with the move. The world has discovered the two hundred odd miles of white sand beaches. They don't need Canada. The population of the eight islands is less than 25,000 people, if they all came to Toronto you wouldn't notice the difference. The other thing is that the trip to Canada is not going to suddenly become free.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 3,154
August 28th, 2006, 09:39 PM
Juan, you could be correct but I look at Toronto's experience with Jamaica. A small minority of the Jamaican migrants have passed Canada's supposedly strict entrance controls. The majority have slipped in as family reunification plan members. Their numbers are large and the pressure on Toronto's social services and policing has been huge.
If the Turks can make it on beaches and tourism all the best to them!
Juan, you could be correct but I look at Toronto's experience with Jamaica. A small minority of the Jamaican migrants have passed Canada's supposedly strict entrance controls. The majority have slipped in as family reunification plan members. Their numbers are large and the pressure on Toronto's social services and policing has been huge.
If the Turks can make it on beaches and tourism all the best to them!
Newbie
Posts: 15
Location: Utah
Location: Utah
August 28th, 2006, 09:49 PM
How would the Turks and Caicos join Canada? Well, there are a few possibilities.
(1) They could join as a full province. But, that requires an amendment to the constitution, and the consent of all the provinces. That might be kind of difficult politically. Plus, with the Turks relatively small population, I don't really see that happening.
(2) They could join as a territory. That only requires an act of the federal government. I see that much more plausible.
(3) They could join an existing province. This bypasses the complexities of amending the constitution. However, I believe it still requires the consent of the federal government.
Curiously, in 2004 the government of Nova Scotia passed a resolution inviting the Turks and Caicos Islands to join that province should they ever choose to join Canada.
How would the Turks and Caicos join Canada? Well, there are a few possibilities.
(1) They could join as a full province. But, that requires an amendment to the constitution, and the consent of all the provinces. That might be kind of difficult politically. Plus, with the Turks relatively small population, I don't really see that happening.
(2) They could join as a territory. That only requires an act of the federal government. I see that much more plausible.
(3) They could join an existing province. This bypasses the complexities of amending the constitution. However, I believe it still requires the consent of the federal government.
Curiously, in 2004 the government of Nova Scotia passed a resolution inviting the Turks and Caicos Islands to join that province should they ever choose to join Canada.
