This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENOUGH!

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This has got to stop. Completely.

Call your MP and tell them NO WAY are we getting involved in this illegal and disgusting war.

We didn't support South African racisim. We have NEVER sided with dictators ourselves.. not US CANDIANS (though some members of our goverments in the past may have) ...and the people who are running the show in Israel are insane. They are not true leaders. They are business men who are in the business of proffiting from war and wars for that matter against people who can not fight back. Not REAL WARS where they are under a SERIOUS THREAT of attack, but just wars for their own personal gain where they make up excuses and lies for the destruction they cause to earn their paycheck.


Guys.. this is serious. We have something special here. I don't think I should have to tell you that. Our nation is GREAT... and it can be SO MUCH MORE!


But not if we keep doing things the way our neighbours want us to. We have to stand out from the rest of the warmongers. We have to say enough is enough. We have to STOP allowing ourselves to be used like this. Our military should devote itself 100% to relief missions in dangerous wartorn lands, and only missions where the bombs that are dropped contain food and medician. It is a roll that is always appreciated and is the most noble of military actions.


We should be the nation who's military is made more of engineers who build infastructure in nations who were stupid enough to engage in battle with another nation or helping those in countries whos own governments lead them nearly to their own destruction through war.. we go there to help. We put our lives on the line as HEROES... who bring life... not take it away.


We reinvent our militaries roll in the world. We no longer take any side except the side that puts down its weapons and refuses to fight (unless under attack - REAL attack.. not imagined like Israels myths and lies and the crap that they bring down on themselves because of their policies of killing anyone who disagrees with them) ... this is our countries opertunity not only to fight in a way no one has ever been witness to before. We fight for peace through peacefull means. Expose the lies other nations are spreading in order to further fan the existing flames of war on an international level like we have in the past. We need to be known the world over as the nation that BUILDS PEACE! We'll SELL PEACE too.. we'll export it. Ship it anywhere that its desired. As long as it means we won't be contributing to any future wars.


We need a new movement in this country.

A movement to never again get involved in ANY offensive military operation. Withdraw from NATO would be a good start. But offer to always work to bring the waring factions together to talk peace. We need to be the nation that ALL NATIONS can trust because our ultimate goal as a nation should be that EVERYONE can have what we have here.

If any nation takes ONE STEP towards us in that goal, we will take two towards them. Slowly we'll build a new coalition within the existing UN, a coalition of nations who will no longer fight in order to settle any dispute unless its a completely defensive action on our own soil (thats different - and unlikely to happen to anyone who puts down their arms anyways).

And I'm NOT btw saying that we disarm ... not at all ... though we should start transforming our military for the mission to bring relief and peace and not terror as the nations of Israel and the US wish us to do.

We DENY THEM OUR ASSISTENCE!

We will be a nation of concienious objectors. And give shelter to any who also choose never to fight a war again. Let us set ourselves apart from the world yet at the same time ask them to join with us in this ...


... before its too late.


There is talk of using Nuclear Weapons "tactically" these days, my friends. This is insanity. As I said.. these people asking us to fight with them in their wars are insane, and we owe nothing to psychotic mass murderers who brainwash their childern in to hating people because of their religion or color of their skin. We must have NOTHING to do with this, or we as a people will lose our soul.


We are BETTER THEN THEM! We do NOT kill babies. We do NOT invade other nations to kill them. We do NOT want to have our countries young men and women being sent off to kill other young men and women.


If this truely is a dark time we are headed for, then let us be the nation that until the last minute screamed and begged for everyone to stop fighting.. for everyone to stop killing each other so it never came to the use of such weapons.. until finally they use them. At least we'll be able to say that OUR NATION was NOT and HAD NOTHING to do with the destruction of our planet.. and did everything we could to try and stop it.


What do we do?

Call our MPs and tell them..."CANADA PLAYS NO ROLL in the WoT anymore! Our military should now only play a relief roll to save those people who's countries are being targeted becasue some criminals are hiding there and (perhaps maybe.. but probablly not.. just like the WMD in Iraq) is under attack because another nation alledges it has the right to kill the people the criminals are hiding among.. we are not assisting terrorists but rather saving the people caught between TWO TERROR ORGANISATIONS (one in uniforms and the other wearing what they can find)... no matter who is "right or wrong" as far as we are concerned from now on.. if you are shooting at someone you are WRONG and that is that. We will help those caught in the middle.. our military will protect the childern who are being killed.. we will bring them to safety.


We must act soon. We must do something to seperate ourselves from the maddness or we'll be as guilty as those dropping those bombs on those babies. We can't do this anymore. As a world we can't war anymore. And as a country SOMEONE has to say "Enough already!" ... it can be us. And the world will listen to us. We will find allies in this endevor and we won't be alone for very long... we just have to take the first steps.


Discuss?


-ASA
 

Graeme

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double yawn, and I have already emailed my local MP's and expressed my support of Israel
 

Graeme

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I posted that before I even read the article.

Israel is asking for help in defending the peace against a terrorist organization and you are trying to make it sound like they want to kill babies.

This is exactly what Canada's role has been in the past, it is a very straight forward peace keeping mission.

I guess you would prefer Hezbollah get re-armed so that they may attack innocent Israeli citizens again.

Israel has been attacked by Hezbollah and Hamas many times and they do have a right to defend them selves yet here we have one of the most powerful armies more than capable of destroying Hezbollah (along with the whole country-side) asking for 3rd parties to help keep the peace, instead of using their only other option which would be to fight hezbollah.

As I have been warned not to call people names including racist, I will say this: The ideas which are portrayed in the article which you have written, have a blatantly obvious, racist overtone. (how's that cosmo?)

Thank you for helping garner support for Israel (you and sanch should get together).
 

iARTthere4iam

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I actually like your idea of building our engineering capabilities to help rebuild wartorn nations. Bombing the hungry with food and all that.

I would build Canada's military to the point where it can be effective at whatever our foreign policy stated. First we need an effective and sensible foreign policy.

On the point of Israel. How can you know what their military should do? Canada is not in the gunsights of anyone, Israel is in the gunsights of almost everyone. Their military is how they survive. I have sent a letter to my conservative MP thanking him for Harper's support for Israel.
 

sanch

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Re: RE: This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENO

Graeme said:
I posted that before I even read the article.

Israel is asking for help in defending the peace against a terrorist organization and you are trying to make it sound like they want to kill babies.

This is exactly what Canada's role has been in the past, it is a very straight forward peace keeping mission.

I guess you would prefer Hezbollah get re-armed so that they may attack innocent Israeli citizens again.

Israel has been attacked by Hezbollah and Hamas many times and they do have a right to defend them selves yet here we have one of the most powerful armies more than capable of destroying Hezbollah (along with the whole country-side) asking for 3rd parties to help keep the peace, instead of using their only other option which would be to fight hezbollah.

As I have been warned not to call people names including racist, I will say this: The ideas which are portrayed in the article which you have written, have a blatantly obvious, racist overtone. (how's that cosmo?)

Thank you for helping garner support for Israel (you and sanch should get together).

First off you moron you didn''t respond to the argument on the other thread and now you are associating me with a position I do not hold. If you look back i support a lot of conservative positions. I do not support simple minded feeble brained nonsense of the sort you espouse. You are an Ann Coulter fed baby. Try thinking for yourself.
 

Graeme

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Re: RE: This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENO

iARTthere4iam said:
I actually like your idea of building our engineering capabilities to help rebuild wartorn nations. Bombing the hungry with food and all that.

I would build Canada's military to the point where it can be effective at whatever our foreign policy stated. First we need an effective and sensible foreign policy.

On the point of Israel. How can you know what their military should do? Canada is not in the gunsights of anyone, Israel is in the gunsights of almost everyone. Their military is how they survive. I have sent a letter to my conservative MP thanking him for Harper's support for Israel.

I agree 100% with this.

As for our foreign policy I put the blame of that on our citizens and not any of the governments.

People bitch if we do and they bitch if we don't.
 

Graeme

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sanch: I write in so many forums I had to turn off the email alert of replies.

So I really don't remember which thread you are referring too.
 

Graeme

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and btw sanch, watch your tongue, I personally couldn't care less if you call me a moron, but I was already banned once for calling someone a name.
 

Lotuslander

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We didn't support South African racisim. We have NEVER sided with dictators ourselves.. not US CANDIANS (though some members of our goverments in the past may have) ...and the people who are running the show in Israel are insane. They are not true leaders. They are business men who are in the business of proffiting from war and wars for that matter against people who can not fight back. Not REAL WARS where they are under a SERIOUS THREAT of attack, but just wars for their own personal gain where they make up excuses and lies for the destruction they cause to earn their paycheck.

Actually, we did support South African Racism. She was a sister Dominion within the Empire and a staunch ally during the Wars. It was only around 1960 at least 10 years after the system of apartheid came into effect that Canada cut ties after The Union of South Africa left the Commonwealth and became a republic.
 

iARTthere4iam

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Caleb,
I suppose angy letters from passionate people are one of the job-related risks when you are a politician.
You can' please everyone.
Even if we had a direct democracy a large part of the population would disagree with everything governmet did.
 

Caleb-Dain Matton

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Re: RE: This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENO

iARTthere4iam said:
Caleb,
I suppose angy letters from passionate people are one of the job-related risks when you are a politician.
You can' please everyone.
Even if we had a direct democracy a large part of the population would disagree with everything governmet did.

You are right Art. When you place yourself in the realm of public office, you must accept dissent, scrutiny, criticism and social responsibility. Especially when you have only 35% of Canada's support.
 

Graeme

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http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=a2b79e1b-fa14-47d8-8f5b-b4769ba2c086

Umm actually celeb-dain, on this issue 82% of canadians support the governements stance on Israel.

edit: sorry, maybe 82 believe israel has a right to defend it self



I really like this one:
The 69% who favour continued treatment of Hizbollah as a terrorist organization were asked if they favour making it illegal to support the organization in Canada. Seventy-two percent said yes. Thus, about half of Canadians (0.69 X 0.72 = 0.5) favour making illegal mere support for Hizbollah (see tables at the bottom of the list of tables, below).
 

Caleb-Dain Matton

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Re: RE: This must end NOW: Canadian Support for Israel - ENO

Graeme said:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=a2b79e1b-fa14-47d8-8f5b-b4769ba2c086

Umm actually celeb-dain, on this issue 82% of canadians support the governements stance on Israel.

edit: sorry, maybe 82 believe israel has a right to defend it self

I really like this one:
The 69% who favour continued treatment of Hizbollah as a terrorist organization were asked if they favour making it illegal to support the organization in Canada. Seventy-two percent said yes. Thus, about half of Canadians (0.69 X 0.72 = 0.5) favour making illegal mere support for Hizbollah (see tables at the bottom of the list of tables, below).

Graeme, I meant approximately 35% of the total population of voters in Canada as a result of the election.

Only 82%? I strongly support that 100% of Canadians should believe that any country including Israel has a right to defend itself. But, this wasn't one of those circumstances. This was an opportunist failed-approach by Israel to geo-strategically place itself in position for oil and at the same time an attempt to further assert sympathy for its illegal occupation of Palestine.
 

Graeme

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I found the specific statistic it is on the COMPAS Inc site

http://www.compas.ca/pages/FrameMain.html

it says 64% agree with the governements position.

oddly enough that is identical to the amount from an internet poll by I think CTV.

maybe online polling is getting better in canada!
 

wallyj

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Getting back to the original post. The newbie wants us to become a nation of conscientious objectors. Wow,this is really removed from reality.Let's all put flowers in our hair,and enjoy the reputation of having less backbone than France. If only we all lived in an utopian world.I would support it if it was pratical.
 

zoofer

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AspiringStarvingArtist said:
... We have NEVER sided with dictators ourselves.. not US CANDIANS

Thats as far as I got then puked.

Trudeau was best buddies with Mao, the Communist Ruskies and Castro. Even this week that addlepated moron of a son of his was idolising Castro.
Some letters to the Editor by citizens.


Worshipping a dictator

Published: Wednesday, August 16, 2006
Re: Sacha's Love Letter, Jonathan Kay, Aug. 15.

I'm not sure that I've read a more telling and better-written treatise concerning the revisionist history and the socialist, maybe communist, philosophy of the Trudeau family than Jonathan Kay's article. It is high time that Canadians saw the members of this family for what they are: doe-eyed, communist-friendly apologists (see the writings about Pierre Trudeau's younger years).

Still, the media continues to fawn over them -- even Justin Trudeau's acting career. Enough already with the revisionism. Pierre Trudeau gave us huge deficits, the beginning of a sense of entitlement among the social welfare crowd, alienation of Quebec, and now (via his son) a love letter to a dictator.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/....html?id=b1b3888e-b18b-403c-ad45-3bc08e3d7feb
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Worshipping a dictator

National Post
Published: Wednesday, August 16, 2006
Kudos to Jonathan Kay for his dissection of Sacha Trudeau's repulsive exercise in dictator worship. A question, though: Given the Liberal party's yen for some form of Trudeau restoration, to what extent does Sacha's infatuation with Castro represent the soul of the party?

It would be interesting to see that question posed to the various leadership candidates.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/....html?id=8c4b8ba2-3073-408f-918e-85aa67fc9be3
You may want to google Johnathan Kay's article in Canada's Newspaper, the NP.
:D
 

zoofer

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More good stuff!............
No need to thank me.............
Thats what I do........................
Educate Lefties who have lost their way...........


Sacha's breathless gushing

National Post
Published: Wednesday, August 16, 2006
Re: Sacha's Love Letter, Jonathan Kay, Aug. 15.

This is an excellent piece about the truly embarrassing drivel from Sacha Trudeau re: Castro.

I've always felt that Justin was a pretentious twit with high school dramatic society mannerisms, and now I can write off the other son for this breathless gushing about a dictator.

His moronic comments about Castro's special attentions to the Trudeau family reminded me of Chamberlain saying that Hitler was a gentleman because he had held Chamberlain's coat for him.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/....html?id=e0a9ce04-22f7-43bc-bfeb-84234cc6da2a
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Sacha's breathless gushing

National Post
Published: Wednesday, August 16, 2006
My wife is from Havana, and I have been there 18 times in the last four years and can attest to what Mr. Kay says. It is obvious that Sacha Trudeau hasn't spent any time in Havana or any of the smaller cities in Cuba. He likely isn't aware that it is a crime for Cubans to socialize with tourists.

It is a crime for Cubans to accept tips from tourists. Cubans are not permitted to set foot inside tourist hotels. Cubans are not allowed access to the Internet. Cubans are not allowed access to any foreign media. Cubans are regularly stopped by police and asked for identification.

Sacha also hasn't stayed in a typical Cuban home and had to subsist on US$20 per month. If he thinks that highly of Castro, perhaps he could go live with a typical Cuban family for a couple of months.

Given his apparent intellect, it is surprising that he would accept without question the musings of any political leader, particularly one with such a negative reputation.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/....html?id=f0f86ae0-c296-47ca-9e5f-30fc5080b666