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August 3rd, 2006, 01:26 PM
Also, the standard of life in North America in the 18th Century far surpassed that of Britain. North America was then a land of clean air, small, pleasant villages and a healthy, small population.
Britain, on the other hand, was like a scene from hell during the 18th century. London, and other big cities, stank from the raw sewage thatw as dumped in the streets and the dead dogs, cats and rats that littered the streets and floated down the Thames. Disease and deprivationw ere everywhere. People didn't understand the need for cleanliness - urine was often empted out of bedroom windows ont to heads of passers-by down below.
All this explains why many people left to live in the North American colonies. The "hardships" dealt by the Mother Country on North Americans were non-existant. If theyw anted to know what real hardship was like, they should have moved to London.
The Americans had some other more secret and sinister reason for wanting independence.
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Taxes for the British in Britain were TWELVE times higher than the taxes for the British colonists in North America, so it irritates me when Americans say they fought against taxation.
your getting too fixated with that word....thats all it is, but remember, Britain wasnt simply just another enamy, if it were, fine.
The problem is simpleton.....your not looking at the bigger picture, Britain treated the US abusivley did they?...nope, read your books, William Pitt ensured that the American colonies were NOT taxed as badly as the rest, but there was war to be won, and wars cost money, in the end everyone pays.
What I, yes I, find irritating is that until 5 years before the american colonies were very pro-britain, and EXACTLY HOW was Britain ABUSIVE to America then?...I'm afraid that is bollox.
Infact, the very REASON for the taxes were for their protection, combine this with the FACT that most US historians recogneise that the French wished to created a pincer-like attack against the US/Colonies from the north and west.
really, it frustrates me when people say Britain treated it's colonies poorly, wanna go to Liverpool or the city of London at the time?...wanna see how they treated the people who could not afford to own land and slaves in the new world at that time?...did they have representation? no, and dont say "oh well we were over in another part of the world"....who cares it was the first truely global war, we were ALL british subjects then....THATS WHAT IS SHAMEFUL.
SIMPLE.
The problem is simpleton.....your not looking at the bigger picture, Britain treated the US abusivley did they?...nope, read your books, William Pitt ensured that the American colonies were NOT taxed as badly as the rest, but there was war to be won, and wars cost money, in the end everyone pays.
What I, yes I, find irritating is that until 5 years before the american colonies were very pro-britain, and EXACTLY HOW was Britain ABUSIVE to America then?...I'm afraid that is bollox.
Infact, the very REASON for the taxes were for their protection, combine this with the FACT that most US historians recogneise that the French wished to created a pincer-like attack against the US/Colonies from the north and west.
really, it frustrates me when people say Britain treated it's colonies poorly, wanna go to Liverpool or the city of London at the time?...wanna see how they treated the people who could not afford to own land and slaves in the new world at that time?...did they have representation? no, and dont say "oh well we were over in another part of the world"....who cares it was the first truely global war, we were ALL british subjects then....THATS WHAT IS SHAMEFUL.
SIMPLE.
Also, the standard of life in North America in the 18th Century far surpassed that of Britain. North America was then a land of clean air, small, pleasant villages and a healthy, small population.
Britain, on the other hand, was like a scene from hell during the 18th century. London, and other big cities, stank from the raw sewage thatw as dumped in the streets and the dead dogs, cats and rats that littered the streets and floated down the Thames. Disease and deprivationw ere everywhere. People didn't understand the need for cleanliness - urine was often empted out of bedroom windows ont to heads of passers-by down below.
All this explains why many people left to live in the North American colonies. The "hardships" dealt by the Mother Country on North Americans were non-existant. If theyw anted to know what real hardship was like, they should have moved to London.
The Americans had some other more secret and sinister reason for wanting independence.
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August 3rd, 2006, 01:29 PM
See how nice they have been to you? Good riddens!
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All hail the monarchy
Taxes for the British in Britain were TWELVE times higher than the taxes for the British colonists in North America, so it irritates me when Americans say they fought against taxation.
Also, the standard of life in North America in the 18th Century far surpassed that of Britain. North America was then a land of clean air, small, pleasant villages and a healthy, small population.
Britain, on the other hand, was like a scene from hell during the 18th century. London, and other big cities, stank from the raw sewage thatw as dumped in the streets and the dead dogs, cats and rats that littered the streets and floated down the Thames. Disease and deprivationw ere everywhere. People didn't understand the need for cleanliness - urine was often empted out of bedroom windows ont to heads of passers-by down below.
All this explains why many people left to live in the North American colonies. The "hardships" dealt by the Mother Country on North Americans were non-existant. If theyw anted to know what real hardship was like, they should have moved to London.
The Americans had some other more secret and sinister reason for wanting independence.
Also, the standard of life in North America in the 18th Century far surpassed that of Britain. North America was then a land of clean air, small, pleasant villages and a healthy, small population.
Britain, on the other hand, was like a scene from hell during the 18th century. London, and other big cities, stank from the raw sewage thatw as dumped in the streets and the dead dogs, cats and rats that littered the streets and floated down the Thames. Disease and deprivationw ere everywhere. People didn't understand the need for cleanliness - urine was often empted out of bedroom windows ont to heads of passers-by down below.
All this explains why many people left to live in the North American colonies. The "hardships" dealt by the Mother Country on North Americans were non-existant. If theyw anted to know what real hardship was like, they should have moved to London.
The Americans had some other more secret and sinister reason for wanting independence.
See how nice they have been to you? Good riddens!
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August 3rd, 2006, 01:32 PM
[quote="I think not"
All hail the monarchy
See how nice they have been to you? Good riddens![/quote]
How does the Monarchy affect the standard of living of the average Brit?
George III was your Monarch in the 1760s and 1770s, but that didn't affect your standard of living.
Now, though, it's the other way around. The British standard of life is higher than that in the US. The average Brit is healtheir than the average American and the average Canadian, despite drinking more alcohol, smoking more and spendling less on healthcare.
I don't see how a Monarchy affects standard of life.
[quote="I think not"
All hail the monarchy
See how nice they have been to you? Good riddens![/quote]
How does the Monarchy affect the standard of living of the average Brit?
George III was your Monarch in the 1760s and 1770s, but that didn't affect your standard of living.
Now, though, it's the other way around. The British standard of life is higher than that in the US. The average Brit is healtheir than the average American and the average Canadian, despite drinking more alcohol, smoking more and spendling less on healthcare.
I don't see how a Monarchy affects standard of life.
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August 3rd, 2006, 01:35 PM
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Read your own post and you'll understand. Then again, you probably won't.
How does the Monarchy affect the standard of living of the average Brit?
George III was your Monarch in the 1760s and 1770s, but that didn't affect your standard of living.
Now, though, it's the other way around. The British standard of life is higher than that in the US. The average Brit is healtheir than the average American and the average Canadian, despite drinking more alcohol, smoking more and spendling less on healthcare.
I don't see how a Monarchy affects standard of life.
George III was your Monarch in the 1760s and 1770s, but that didn't affect your standard of living.
Now, though, it's the other way around. The British standard of life is higher than that in the US. The average Brit is healtheir than the average American and the average Canadian, despite drinking more alcohol, smoking more and spendling less on healthcare.
I don't see how a Monarchy affects standard of life.
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August 3rd, 2006, 01:37 PM
[quote="Blackleaf"][quote="Simpleton"]
We have no nukes... so what? France has nukes, doesn't exactly make them important.
We have a small air force, again. Who cares? Do you think the average brit knows the size of our air force?
To the average Canadian... London is a city located in Ontario.
[quote="Blackleaf"][quote="Simpleton"]
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Britannia looks at her other daughter, Canada, and think of you as the shyer of our two North American daughters, a nation that doesn't seem to like getting invloved in world events. The British notice that Canadians always think of their country as being more influential and powerful in the world than it actually is (Toro: "Canada's population will overtake Britain's in the next 20-30 years") and when most people in Britain hardly ever think about Canada - Canadians somehow think their country is more influential on the world stage than Britain, when you are only half the size of Britain, aren't a permanent member of the Security Council, have no nukes and have an Airforce that is around 8-9 times smaller than the RAF. Most Brits don't know who Canada's Prime Minister is and think (like the rest of the world) that your capital city is Toronto. To the average Brit, Ottawa is a river animal that is common in our countryside.
Britain's Antipodean daughter, Australia, is more similar to America in the sense that Aussies are loud and boisterous and are all talk but no trousers. They talk tough and act tough - but would soil their pants if they were somehow to come up against a group of rowdy England fans. They love to boast about how "good" they are at rugby and cricket, until we pasted them in the rugby World Cup Final in 2003 and cricket's Ashes in 2005.
New Zealand is more like the Canada of the Southern Hemisphere - it' seems to be a bit shy and doesn't seem to like making its presence felt on the world stage, except when their might All Blacks rugby team is in town.
Where do you get these ideas that Canada thinks of it self as being more important on the International Stage? In that regard, how does it feel to be a GWB puppet on the international stage? Does Tony Blair make any decisions without consulting with puppeteer GWB? Quoting
Personally, I think it's really all just a lot of jealousy. The Americans had the balls to stand up to the British and say, "We're not kids anymore. We're adults now."
It wasn't like that. It was more like the US having a typical teenager's temper tantrum at its mother, throwing its toys at her, and then deciding to fly the nest. Meanwhile, Britannia, her beautiful mother, looks at her fat, obese, ugly child and says, "How did I give birth to such an ugly kid?" They speak the most God-awful English ever known to mankind - such as spelling words shorter than their British counterparts (color/honor) and producing ugly Americans such as "thru" instead of "through". Of all Britannia's babies, America is the most uneducated.Personally, I think it's really all just a lot of jealousy. The Americans had the balls to stand up to the British and say, "We're not kids anymore. We're adults now."
Britannia looks at her other daughter, Canada, and think of you as the shyer of our two North American daughters, a nation that doesn't seem to like getting invloved in world events. The British notice that Canadians always think of their country as being more influential and powerful in the world than it actually is (Toro: "Canada's population will overtake Britain's in the next 20-30 years") and when most people in Britain hardly ever think about Canada - Canadians somehow think their country is more influential on the world stage than Britain, when you are only half the size of Britain, aren't a permanent member of the Security Council, have no nukes and have an Airforce that is around 8-9 times smaller than the RAF. Most Brits don't know who Canada's Prime Minister is and think (like the rest of the world) that your capital city is Toronto. To the average Brit, Ottawa is a river animal that is common in our countryside.
Britain's Antipodean daughter, Australia, is more similar to America in the sense that Aussies are loud and boisterous and are all talk but no trousers. They talk tough and act tough - but would soil their pants if they were somehow to come up against a group of rowdy England fans. They love to boast about how "good" they are at rugby and cricket, until we pasted them in the rugby World Cup Final in 2003 and cricket's Ashes in 2005.
New Zealand is more like the Canada of the Southern Hemisphere - it' seems to be a bit shy and doesn't seem to like making its presence felt on the world stage, except when their might All Blacks rugby team is in town.
We have no nukes... so what? France has nukes, doesn't exactly make them important.
We have a small air force, again. Who cares? Do you think the average brit knows the size of our air force?
To the average Canadian... London is a city located in Ontario.
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August 3rd, 2006, 01:49 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/778385.stm
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How exactly are you defining "healthier"? According to this UN report from 2000, Canadians have a higher life expectancy then Brits.
The average Brit is healtheir than the average American and the average Canadian.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/778385.stm
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August 3rd, 2006, 02:30 PM
Blackleaf,
You sound like Lord Durham, the idiotic caricature of british snobism who thought he could assimilate the French Canadians based on their supposed inferiority.
All the countries you speak of, the US, Canada, Australia and New-Zealand have become distinct countries with different realities than Britain. And Canada is not only the child of Britain but also of France, the First Nations and a wide panorama of cultural diversity.
To stay true to your mother-child analogy, you sound like the old, boring and bitter mother that's not even worth calling on mother's day because you know she's just gonna tell you what a "failure" you've become.
We are not your daughter anymore, thank God...
Blackleaf,
You sound like Lord Durham, the idiotic caricature of british snobism who thought he could assimilate the French Canadians based on their supposed inferiority.
All the countries you speak of, the US, Canada, Australia and New-Zealand have become distinct countries with different realities than Britain. And Canada is not only the child of Britain but also of France, the First Nations and a wide panorama of cultural diversity.
To stay true to your mother-child analogy, you sound like the old, boring and bitter mother that's not even worth calling on mother's day because you know she's just gonna tell you what a "failure" you've become.
We are not your daughter anymore, thank God...
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August 3rd, 2006, 04:10 PM
Why would the US want to occupy Canada? Beats me, but why would Israel want to occupy Lebanon? Some occupations defy reason. If two Americans were kidnapped, and Bush decided to blame it on a group of Canadians, we'd be occupied. Tempers and egos are that stupid.
Why would the US want to occupy Canada? Beats me, but why would Israel want to occupy Lebanon? Some occupations defy reason. If two Americans were kidnapped, and Bush decided to blame it on a group of Canadians, we'd be occupied. Tempers and egos are that stupid.
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August 3rd, 2006, 04:36 PM
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You wouldnt be occupied, but we would gladly give Celine Dion and Bryan Adams back in a prisoner swap. Heck, even without the swap...
Why would the US want to occupy Canada? Beats me, but why would Israel want to occupy Lebanon? Some occupations defy reason. If two Americans were kidnapped, and Bush decided to blame it on a group of Canadians, we'd be occupied. Tempers and egos are that stupid.
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August 3rd, 2006, 05:43 PM
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ahhh.... one of Canada's finest exports. We will not refund you for those 2. Perhaps the US wouldn't mind adopting nickelback as well?
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You wouldnt be occupied, but we would gladly give Celine Dion and Bryan Adams back in a prisoner swap. Heck, even without the swap...
Why would the US want to occupy Canada? Beats me, but why would Israel want to occupy Lebanon? Some occupations defy reason. If two Americans were kidnapped, and Bush decided to blame it on a group of Canadians, we'd be occupied. Tempers and egos are that stupid.
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August 3rd, 2006, 08:15 PM
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Israel does not want to occupy Lebanon. They are just trying to get rid of the Hezbollah terrorists. Big difference.
Why would the US want to occupy Canada? Beats me, but why would Israel want to occupy Lebanon? Some occupations defy reason. If two Americans were kidnapped, and Bush decided to blame it on a group of Canadians, we'd be occupied. Tempers and egos are that stupid.
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August 3rd, 2006, 11:51 PM
I don't want anyone to get mad at me but I think somewhere, perhaps far, down the road in the future America and Canada may become one country. Buuuuuuuut countries are tending to get smaller now adays so whatever. Just my random thought on this random topic.
I don't want anyone to get mad at me but I think somewhere, perhaps far, down the road in the future America and Canada may become one country. Buuuuuuuut countries are tending to get smaller now adays so whatever. Just my random thought on this random topic.
