Right Wing nutjobs getting involved in Child Care


Jersay
#1
OTTAWA (CP) - The man who led a national campaign against same-sex marriage is now heading a major offensive against critics of the Conservative child-care plan.

Charles McVety, president of Canada Christian College, is rallying social conservatives to counter what he calls "Liberal-friendly advocacy groups." "They have a very slick, well funded, well-oiled lobby," he said in an interview. "But it's a Liberal lobby funded by the former Liberal government."

The most high-profile child-care advocates vehemently deny using Liberal or federal funds for lobbying work. They say they rely on volunteers, member donations and the Internet to get their message out.

Still, McVety is adamant that "the parade of voices" from such groups must be answered in kind.

"We're going to mobilize mothers and fathers to be vocal, exercise their franchise as a voter in democracy, call their MP and get involved as much as they can."

McVety, who also heads the Canada Family Action Coalition, says several other family-values groups will add to the effort. They include the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, the Institute for Canadian Values and REAL Women of Canada.

It's the latest volley in an escalating battle between those who support Conservative efforts to directly fund parents, and those who prefer the Liberal plan to improve child-care services across Canada.

The Tories are axing the $5-billion Liberal plan in favour of giving families $1,200 a year to spend as they wish for each child under six.

"We're going to come out very shortly with a detailed report showing the funding of organizations like the Ontario Coalition for Better Child Care," McVety said.

"Sounds like a nice advocacy group. But when you look into it, where does their money come from? It comes from the former Liberal government," or from unions, he said.

"We're going to call on the government to stop funding these Liberal-friendly advocacy groups."

But Kira Heineck, executive director of the coalition, says federal funding to her group is "minimal."

"We are not funded by any political parties. We have funding from a variety of sources."

Most coalition cash comes from more than 500 members - most of them the staff of non-profit child-care centres and the parents who use them, Heineck said.

"We are a non-partisan advocacy organization that represents our members' concerns.

"It doesn't serve the interests of children to point the finger and try to marginalize us as a Liberal lobby group. It's not fair and it's not just."

"I want to talk about what's best for kids."

Funding from the federal departments for Social Development and Status of Women is being used for specific projects but not advocacy work, Heineck stressed.

Debra Mayer of the Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada also denied using federal funds for anything but specific research projects.

"You really have to be showing where every penny goes," she said. "The lobbying we engage in is funded by our members. And our books are open - we're a non-profit organization.

"We're parents, we're grassroots people. It's really through peoples' volunteer time that we're able to get the work done."

Groups like hers have loudly called on the Conservatives to honour and expand the Liberal plan.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has also promised to create 125,000 new child-care spaces but has conceded that $250 million in related tax incentives "is not perfect."

Indeed, critics have pointed out that similar efforts in Ontario and New Brunswick inspired little response. Child care services are prohibitively expensive and fraught with red tape.

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This is exactly like American B.S, I would like to see how much money these right-wing nutjobs get from Harper or U.S sponsors.
 
zoofer
#2
$1.49 twice a month.
 
Jersay
#3
Hey, enough for McDonalds.
 
Colpy
Conservative
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#4
So, is everybody that disagrees with Jersay a nut-job, or is there some other prerequisite?

I just wondered, I thought instead of just "B.A., B.Ed." after my name I might be able to put "B.A., B.Ed., N.J."

The more letters the better, you know.
 
FiveParadox
Liberal
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#5
Like the G.G.!

She gets:
C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D.

But a former G.G., they get:
P.C., C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D.

I mean, like ... oh my God!
 
Colpy
Conservative
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Like the G.G.!

She gets:
C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D.

But a former G.G., they get:
P.C., C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D.

I mean, like ... oh my God!

That's great, Five!

How do you KNOW this stuff?!
 
Laika
#7
Imma get a bunch of cards printed up and right after my name will be:

"W.T.F., L.O.L, O.M.G., B.B.Q. "

And then I'll add an "esq." to be all classy an stuff.
 
FiveParadox
Liberal
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#8
Is it sad that I know what those post-nominals mean, too?

I think it's because I've written them down so many times! Just like I know how Martin's the M.P. for LaSalle—Émard, and Brison's the M.P. for Kings—Hants, and Stronach's the M.P. for Newmarket—Aurora, and Fry's the M.P. for Vancouver Centre, and Graham's the M.P. for Toronto Centre, and Layton's the M.P. for Toronto—Danforth, and Duceppe's the M.P. for Laurier—Sainte-Marie, and Wasylicia-Leis' the M.P. for Winnipeg North...

*breathes*

Wow...

And to make that über-shiny emdash ("—"), just type Alt + 0151! And for that fancy "ü" thing I just used, use Alt + 0252 (or try Alt + 0220 for a CAPS version! oh my God!).
 
zoofer
#9
Quote:

Layton and Duceppe say they can live with Tories' $1,200 daycare cheques

Kevin Dougherty, CanWest News Service
Published: Thursday, April 20, 2006
The leaders of the Bloc Quebecois and the federal New Democrats both said yesterday, at separate Quebec City events, that they can live with Stephen Harper's plan to send $1,200 daycare cheques directly to families for each child under six. But the NDP's Jack Layton and Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe also want commitments from Mr. Harper that he will not tax away this money, which would be the case without changes to child tax credits in the Tory budget. In Winnipeg yesterday, Mr. Harper repeated that his party's daycare plan, which would replace a Liberal proposal to fund daycare programs, will be a confidence issue: by voting it down, the opposition parties would trigger a new general election.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...7-37c206136ca2

Hah hah hah.
Where are their convictions now?
 
BitWhys
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#10
I don't know about Duceppe, but Layton's convictions can be found on page 33 of the last campaign platform so the answer is the same as usual...

beyond the ill-informed right-winger's comprehension.
 
zoofer
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#11
Page 33?
Has anyone read page 1 never mind page 33?

Why not paste page 33?

I doubt the thread will be moved to the comedy section.
 
Johnny Utah
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#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Jersay

OTTAWA (CP) - The man who led a national campaign against same-sex marriage is now heading a major offensive against critics of the Conservative child-care plan.

Charles McVety, president of Canada Christian College, is rallying social conservatives to counter what he calls "Liberal-friendly advocacy groups." "They have a very slick, well funded, well-oiled lobby," he said in an interview. "But it's a Liberal lobby funded by the former Liberal government."

The most high-profile child-care advocates vehemently deny using Liberal or federal funds for lobbying work. They say they rely on volunteers, member donations and the Internet to get their message out.

Still, McVety is adamant that "the parade of voices" from such groups must be answered in kind.

"We're going to mobilize mothers and fathers to be vocal, exercise their franchise as a voter in democracy, call their MP and get involved as much as they can."

McVety, who also heads the Canada Family Action Coalition, says several other family-values groups will add to the effort. They include the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, the Institute for Canadian Values and REAL Women of Canada.

It's the latest volley in an escalating battle between those who support Conservative efforts to directly fund parents, and those who prefer the Liberal plan to improve child-care services across Canada.

The Tories are axing the $5-billion Liberal plan in favour of giving families $1,200 a year to spend as they wish for each child under six.

"We're going to come out very shortly with a detailed report showing the funding of organizations like the Ontario Coalition for Better Child Care," McVety said.

"Sounds like a nice advocacy group. But when you look into it, where does their money come from? It comes from the former Liberal government," or from unions, he said.

"We're going to call on the government to stop funding these Liberal-friendly advocacy groups."

But Kira Heineck, executive director of the coalition, says federal funding to her group is "minimal."

"We are not funded by any political parties. We have funding from a variety of sources."

Most coalition cash comes from more than 500 members - most of them the staff of non-profit child-care centres and the parents who use them, Heineck said.

"We are a non-partisan advocacy organization that represents our members' concerns.

"It doesn't serve the interests of children to point the finger and try to marginalize us as a Liberal lobby group. It's not fair and it's not just."

"I want to talk about what's best for kids."

Funding from the federal departments for Social Development and Status of Women is being used for specific projects but not advocacy work, Heineck stressed.

Debra Mayer of the Child Care Advocacy Association of Canada also denied using federal funds for anything but specific research projects.

"You really have to be showing where every penny goes," she said. "The lobbying we engage in is funded by our members. And our books are open - we're a non-profit organization.

"We're parents, we're grassroots people. It's really through peoples' volunteer time that we're able to get the work done."

Groups like hers have loudly called on the Conservatives to honour and expand the Liberal plan.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper has also promised to create 125,000 new child-care spaces but has conceded that $250 million in related tax incentives "is not perfect."

Indeed, critics have pointed out that similar efforts in Ontario and New Brunswick inspired little response. Child care services are prohibitively expensive and fraught with red tape.

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This is exactly like American B.S, I would like to see how much money these right-wing nutjobs get from Harper or U.S sponsors.

You couldn't resist bashing the United States "again" and anyone who is Right Wing.

If anyone is a Nut Job it's you Lefty, keep Meltingdown.
 
FiveParadox
Liberal
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#13
Johnny Utah, with respect, I would suggest that two nations in such close proximity are likely, if not guaranteed, to draw comparisons between one another, such as Canada and the United States of America. However, I would agree with you if your premise is that there shouldn't be baseless insults between the two (but I would suggest that comparisons are entirely appropriate).

In terms of this child care plan, I'm not going to "bash" the right-wing persons who support the initiative of the present Government of Canada, but I would suggest that peraps the Government should look to compromise on this issue, in light of the fact that a majority of Members of Parliament (and I would contend the electorate) are opposed to this endeavour.
 
pastafarian
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Quote:

Child care services are prohibitively expensive and fraught with red tape.

Quote:

Charles McVety, president of Canada Christian College, is rallying social conservatives to counter what he calls "Liberal-friendly advocacy groups.

"Christian", my ass.

"Suffer the little children to keep their parents unemployed and unable to afford education so the rich can get tax breaks."

Yeah, that's what Jesus really said.
 
Jay
#15
I'm not rich...I'll take the $1200.00 a year thanks.
 
Toro
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Jay

I'm not rich...I'll take the $1200.00 a year thanks.

Me too. I need more kindling!
 
Jay
#17
Can I start the fire for you?
 
zoofer
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#18
Some ladies may wish to cash in on this $1200 a year but as yet do not have the goods. You know, the kids in question.

Now I am willing to help out in that department. No need to pass up easy money for want of a trip or two into outer space.

Lefty ladies must agree not the brainwash the toddlers in Lenin and Marx. Failure to do so will forfeit the 46 follow up visits and all free golf lessons.
 
Sassylassie
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#19
Zoofer, the lengths you will go to for Humanity, sniff-sniff it's so touching.
 
stusa
#20
I agree something needs to be done about child day care.
Do you really want the same bunch of idiots that started the Indian schools having anything to do with child day care
Stevem447
 
Kreskin
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by zoofer

Some ladies may wish to cash in on this $1200 a year but as yet do not have the goods. You know, the kids in question.

Now I am willing to help out in that department. No need to pass up easy money for want of a trip or two into outer space.

Lefty ladies must agree not the brainwash the toddlers in Lenin and Marx. Failure to do so will forfeit the 46 follow up visits and all free golf lessons.

46 visits? Your inbox must be runneth over with applications.
 
I think not
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#22
You know what I don't get? A government willing, I repeat, willing to give money to it's people and the people moan groan and bitch about it. Even if the money isn't enough, even if the whole thing is for politics and nothing more, TAKE THE MONEY!

If this Child Care doesn't work, throw out Harper, get someone else in that can do a better job.
 
Kreskin
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#23
Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

You know what I don't get? A government willing, I repeat, willing to give money to it's people and the people moan groan and bitch about it. Even if the money isn't enough, even if the whole thing is for politics and nothing more, TAKE THE MONEY!

If this Child Care doesn't work, throw out Harper, get someone else in that can do a better job.

ITN, I totally agree. It never ceases to amaze me that people will decline money because they might have to pay tax on it.
 
I think not
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#24
Not only that Kreskin, but rights have been granted (almost without exception) a piece at a time. This could just be a start. Whether or not I agree with Child Care programs is irrelevant. Make a start, Harper gives $1200, take it, next government can be squeezed for more, take it. Never refuse anything because it sets a precedent, that's how people gain rights and priveleges, at least in my head.
 
Said1
Free Thinker
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#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

You know what I don't get? A government willing, I repeat, willing to give money to it's people and the people moan groan and bitch about it. Even if the money isn't enough, even if the whole thing is for politics and nothing more, TAKE THE MONEY!

If this Child Care doesn't work, throw out Harper, get someone else in that can do a better job.

ITN, I totally agree. It never ceases to amaze me that people will decline money because they might have to pay tax on it.

I wouldn't decline the money. However, what burns my ass is that I would have to pay tax on money that was collected through taxation, from me!!! That's just wrong, unless I'm missing something.
 
Kreskin
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#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Said1

Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin

Quote: Originally Posted by I think not

You know what I don't get? A government willing, I repeat, willing to give money to it's people and the people moan groan and bitch about it. Even if the money isn't enough, even if the whole thing is for politics and nothing more, TAKE THE MONEY!

If this Child Care doesn't work, throw out Harper, get someone else in that can do a better job.

ITN, I totally agree. It never ceases to amaze me that people will decline money because they might have to pay tax on it.

I wouldn't decline the money. However, what burns my ass is that I would have to pay tax on money that was collected through taxation, from me!!! That's just wrong, unless I'm missing something.

I don't know if it will be taxed but if it is it would mean, for the majority of us, those who make a lot of money already and likely don't need it will be taxed the most. Those in lower income brackets who need it more will pay less tax. IMO, that is more fair than giving everyone the same benefit, whether they need it or not. The idea is to help those who need help.

Said, I work in the investment industry and it boggles my mind how people will intentionally not make money because they might have to pay 25 or 30% of it to tax. They will throw away a net return of 70 or 75% to ensure they don't pay the tax. I don't get it. Yes, there are some cases where benefit clawbacks may be an issue, but it is rarely an issue to the majority of people.

Sometimes people get hung up on the small stuff and don't see the forest through the trees.
 
bluealberta
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Johnny Utah, with respect, I would suggest that two nations in such close proximity are likely, if not guaranteed, to draw comparisons between one another, such as Canada and the United States of America. However, I would agree with you if your premise is that there shouldn't be baseless insults between the two (but I would suggest that comparisons are entirely appropriate).

In terms of this child care plan, I'm not going to "bash" the right-wing persons who support the initiative of the present Government of Canada, but I would suggest that peraps the Government should look to compromise on this issue, in light of the fact that a majority of Members of Parliament (and I would contend the electorate) are opposed to this endeavour.

FYI, my wife, and by extension me, have been in child care for over 20 years. The vast majority of child care in Canada is NOT, REPEAT NOT, provided by a "Kids-R-Us" type of daycare. Rather, child care is provided by relatives, friends, or home daycare, which is typically better than the large daycare centers, where the child to care giver ratio is so high, there is no individual attention to the kids. Therefore, the CPC childcare program provides relief to those parents using this type of daycare.

I wish someone would explain to me the problem with choices being an option for parents requiring daycare. The subsidies currently in place, and trust me they are generous, will NOT, REPEAT NOT, be changed by the CPC. This is a myth that is being spread by Liberal supporters. Parents do not have to worry about subsidies being eliminated, and the CPC plan will put money into parents pockets. How they choose (damn, there is that word again) to use the money is up to them.

A massive, bulky, unwieldy, union driven daycare system is fraught with problems, the least of which would be: What do parents do when the unionized childcare workers go on strike? And face it, being union members, it will happen sooner or later. And who will give the right ratio for child to caregiver, the relative/homedaycare provide or someone in the government sponsored system?
 
bluealberta
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin

Quote: Originally Posted by Said1Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinQuote: Originally Posted by I think notYou know what I don't get? A government willing, I repeat, willing to give money to it's people and the people moan groan and bitch about it. Even if the money isn't enough, even if the whole thing is for politics and nothing more, TAKE THE MONEY!
If this Child Care doesn't work, throw out Harper, get someone else in that can do a better job.ITN, I totally agree. It never ceases to amaze me that people will decline money because they might have to pay tax on it.I wouldn't decline the money. However, what burns my ass is that I would have to pay tax on money that was collected through taxation, from me!!! That's just wrong, unless I'm missing something.I don't know if it will be taxed but if it is it would mean, for the majority of us, those who make a lot of money already and likely don't need it will be taxed the most. Those in lower income brackets who need it more will pay less tax. IMO, that is more fair than giving everyone the same benefit, whether they need it or...

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You make an excellent point, and because I work in the taxation area, I can say with some authority, that this $1200 will not affect the vast majority of people who really need it, as far as it being taxable.

But here is another scenario. My wife takes care of two kids whose parents do not receive subsidy because of their combined income. Fair enough, the system works. But these two are happy about the $2400 they are getting, because it now provides a bit of money to offset their non-subsidized child care costs. Someone tell me this is wrong. Here is another scenario. A parent, usually a mother, may work with her kids in daycare in order to develop a career. But her income, at an entry level position, basically may offset the cost of child care. Now this $1200 comes along, and provides this parent with a bit of a cushion against the cost of daycare, and allows this parent to continue in the workforce for a career if that is their wish.

Are their faults? Sure, but overall the benefits of this program outweigh the negatives, both from a freedom of choice issue and a monetary issue in most cases.

And the subsidies still remain.
 
Kreskin
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#29
Blue, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe daycare costs are also tax deductible to the lower income spouse. If the lower income earner is making 15k per year with the family paying 4k/year in daycare they'll probably save $700-$1000 tax on the deduction, depending on Province. If they get the $1200 and it is taxable they'll pay a few a couple hundred tax on it. So the 4k expenses is actually about 2k before factoring in any NCBS, if eligible.
 
bluealberta
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin

Blue, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe daycare costs are also tax deductible to the lower income spouse. If the lower income earner is making 15k per year with the family paying 4k/year in daycare they'll probably save $700-$1000 tax on the deduction, depending on Province. If they get the $1200 and it is taxable they'll pay a few a couple hundred tax on it. So the 4k expenses is actually about 2k before factoring in any NCBS, if eligible.

Sounds about right, but off the top of my head, I don't think there is much, if anything, for income taxes for anyone making $15k per year. (Hell, it is late, I am not at work, etc.)

But yes, the daycare costs are tax deductible. The point I am trying to make, and maybe not very well, is that lower income families, and lets face it, most young families are not your typical high wage earners, will benefit greatly from this $1200. Any extra income for new families is a tremendous benefit, even a couple of hundred bucks a month for those with a couple of kids. I remember how we could have used that money way back when. That is why my wife actually got into child care, because it made more sense to stay home with our own kids and make some money instead of putting our kids in child care and working to pay the child care costs. At that time, a tax refund once a year was not enough to offset monthly income, when we needed it.
 

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