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December 24th, 2007, 08:12 AM
U.S. officials see waste in billions sent to Pakistan
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/...24military.php
After the United States has spent more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the Pakistani military effort against militants from Al Qaeda and the Taliban, some American officials now acknowledge that there were too few controls over how the money was spent, and that the strategy to improve the Pakistani military needs to be completely revamped.
Wastage of American tax dollars continues unabated.
U.S. officials see waste in billions sent to Pakistan
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/12/...24military.php
After the United States has spent more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the Pakistani military effort against militants from Al Qaeda and the Taliban, some American officials now acknowledge that there were too few controls over how the money was spent, and that the strategy to improve the Pakistani military needs to be completely revamped.
Wastage of American tax dollars continues unabated.
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December 26th, 2007, 09:03 PM
INVADE THAILAND!!!
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUSBKK29861520071226
```Slowly but it seems surely, the party backing ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra is shaping up to form Thailand's next government, a stunning reversal of fortune after last year's military coup. Nobody doubted that the People Power Party (PPP), the reincarnation of Thaksin's disbanded Thai Rak Thai (Thais Love Thais) political juggernaut, would come first in Sunday's election.```
Thailand's true Democrats demand the right to rule their land in compliance with the wishes of that country's majority.
How many of the pro Bush types (that is, what few remain here) are willing to invade Thailand and to oust the fascists who wrongfully usurped the government??
INVADE THAILAND!!!
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idUSBKK29861520071226
```Slowly but it seems surely, the party backing ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra is shaping up to form Thailand's next government, a stunning reversal of fortune after last year's military coup. Nobody doubted that the People Power Party (PPP), the reincarnation of Thaksin's disbanded Thai Rak Thai (Thais Love Thais) political juggernaut, would come first in Sunday's election.```
Thailand's true Democrats demand the right to rule their land in compliance with the wishes of that country's majority.
How many of the pro Bush types (that is, what few remain here) are willing to invade Thailand and to oust the fascists who wrongfully usurped the government??
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December 26th, 2007, 09:07 PM
INVADE UZBEK!!
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/world/20071227TDY04305.htm
```A sense of political stagnation is overshadowing Central Asia amid the reelection of 69-year-old Uzbek President Islam Karimov in Sunday's poll, securing his grip on power like other long-reigning leaders in neighboring countries such as Kazakhstan and Tajikistan. Although the region's autocratic regimes have drawn criticism from the West, the former Soviet republics enjoy the backing of the administration of Russian President Vladimir Putin, which prefers stability to drastic democratization, enabling the regimes to prolong their lives.```
Stalinist dictator Islam Karimov is the world's most brutal communist dictator since Stalin. Naturally, he is Bush's friend.
How many Republicans here are going to invade Uzbek in order to depose this political criminal??
INVADE UZBEK!!
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/world/20071227TDY04305.htm
```A sense of political stagnation is overshadowing Central Asia amid the reelection of 69-year-old Uzbek President Islam Karimov in Sunday's poll, securing his grip on power like other long-reigning leaders in neighboring countries such as Kazakhstan and Tajikistan. Although the region's autocratic regimes have drawn criticism from the West, the former Soviet republics enjoy the backing of the administration of Russian President Vladimir Putin, which prefers stability to drastic democratization, enabling the regimes to prolong their lives.```
Stalinist dictator Islam Karimov is the world's most brutal communist dictator since Stalin. Naturally, he is Bush's friend.
How many Republicans here are going to invade Uzbek in order to depose this political criminal??
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December 26th, 2007, 10:30 PM
Hindu Fanatics attack Christian churches:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...-attacks_N.htm
``Hindu extremists attacked Christians celebrating Christmas in eastern India, ransacking and burning six churches after a dispute over a holiday cultural program that some Hindus believed encouraged conversion, officials said Wednesday. One person was killed in the violence.
The government in the state of Orissa imposed a curfew in the Kandhamal district Wednesday after two days of violence that included revenge attacks by the Christians, said Bahugrahi Mahapatra, a government official.``
Which of this forum's Republicans are going to invade India??
Hindu Fanatics attack Christian churches:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...-attacks_N.htm
``Hindu extremists attacked Christians celebrating Christmas in eastern India, ransacking and burning six churches after a dispute over a holiday cultural program that some Hindus believed encouraged conversion, officials said Wednesday. One person was killed in the violence.
The government in the state of Orissa imposed a curfew in the Kandhamal district Wednesday after two days of violence that included revenge attacks by the Christians, said Bahugrahi Mahapatra, a government official.``
Which of this forum's Republicans are going to invade India??
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December 26th, 2007, 10:36 PM
The Russians got into their Vietnam right after we got out of ours? Isn't that strange?
We supported Bin Laden and the Taliban for years, and viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians? Isn't that strange?
As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban official in Afghanistan? Isn't that strange?
There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out. Isn't that strange?
UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1000 mile long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea. Isn't that strange?
UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline construction, and very nicely courted the Taliban for their support in allowing the construction to begin. Isn't that strange?
All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL in 1998. Isn't that strange?
1998-1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. Isn't that strange?
John Maresca VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline until the Taliban was gone and a more friendly government was established. Isn't that strange?
1999-2000 The Taliban became the most evil people in the world. Isn't that strange?
Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. Isn't that strange?
9/11 WTC disaster.
Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?
Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it’s a "secret". Isn't that strange?
Taliban offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some proof. We refused; we bombed. Isn't that strange?
Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists." Isn't that strange?
We have a new government in Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?
The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL. Isn't that strange?
Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL". Isn't that strange?
The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil? Isn't that strange?
Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company before going to Washington. Isn't that strange?
George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in huge oil investments around the world. Isn't that strange?
Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to Washington. Isn't that strange?
Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza. Isn't that strange?
Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP. Isn't that strange?
Haliburton gave Cheney $34 Million dollars as a farewell gift when he left Haliburton. Isn't that strange?
Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business. Isn't that strange?
There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area. Isn't that strange?
The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. Isn't that strange?
President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan -Unocal) announce agreement to build proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan. (Irish Times 02/10/02) Isn't that strange?
http://www.mediamonitors.net/josephclifford2.html
We supported Bin Laden and the Taliban for years, and viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians? Isn't that strange?
As late as 1998 the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban official in Afghanistan? Isn't that strange?
There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out. Isn't that strange?
UNOCAL, a giant American Oil conglomerate, wanted to build a 1000 mile long pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea. Isn't that strange?
UNOCAL spent $10,000,000,000 on geological surveys for pipeline construction, and very nicely courted the Taliban for their support in allowing the construction to begin. Isn't that strange?
All of the leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL in 1998. Isn't that strange?
1998-1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. Isn't that strange?
John Maresca VP of UNOCAL testified before Congress and said no pipeline until the Taliban was gone and a more friendly government was established. Isn't that strange?
1999-2000 The Taliban became the most evil people in the world. Isn't that strange?
Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. Isn't that strange?
9/11 WTC disaster.
Bush goes to war against Afghanistan even though none of the hijackers came from Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?
Bush blamed Bin Laden but has never offered any proof saying it’s a "secret". Isn't that strange?
Taliban offered to negotiate to turn over Bin Laden if we showed them some proof. We refused; we bombed. Isn't that strange?
Bush said: "This is not about nation building. It's about getting the terrorists." Isn't that strange?
We have a new government in Afghanistan. Isn't that strange?
The leader of that government formerly worked for UNOCAL. Isn't that strange?
Bush appoints a special envoy to represent the US to deal with that new government, who formerly was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL". Isn't that strange?
The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil? Isn't that strange?
Bush's Secretary of Interior was the President of an oil company before going to Washington. Isn't that strange?
George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in huge oil investments around the world. Isn't that strange?
Condoleezza Rice worked for Chevron before gong to Washington. Isn't that strange?
Chevron named one of its newest "supertankers" after Condoleezza. Isn't that strange?
Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP. Isn't that strange?
Haliburton gave Cheney $34 Million dollars as a farewell gift when he left Haliburton. Isn't that strange?
Haliburton is in the pipeline construction business. Isn't that strange?
There is $6 Trillion dollars worth of oil in the Caspian Sea area. Isn't that strange?
The US government quietly announces Jan 31, 2002 we will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. Isn't that strange?
President Musharref (Pakistan), and Karrzai, (Afghanistan -Unocal) announce agreement to build proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan. (Irish Times 02/10/02) Isn't that strange?
http://www.mediamonitors.net/josephclifford2.html
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December 26th, 2007, 10:46 PM
Yeah, it's strange, now that you mention it.
Yeah, it's strange, now that you mention it.
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December 26th, 2007, 10:50 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
It is strange. Shouldn't that go in the Breaking News section though?
Yeah, it's strange, now that you mention it.
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Posts: 1,525
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December 26th, 2007, 11:12 PM
The Afghanistan War was Planned
Months Before the 9/11 Attacks
In this article published in India in the summer of 2001 the Indian Government announces that it will support America's PLANNED military incursion into Afghanistan.
India in anti-Taliban military plan
India and Iran will "facilitate" the planned US-Russia hostilities against the Taliban.
By Our Correspondent
26 June 2001: India and Iran will "facilitate" US and Russian plans for "limited military action"
against the Taliban if the contemplated tough new economic sanctions don't bend Afghanistan's fundamentalist regime. The Taliban controls 90 per cent of Afghanistan and is advancing northward along the Salang highway and preparing for a rear attack on the opposition Northern Alliance from
Tajikistan-Afghanistan border positions.
Indian foreign secretary Chokila Iyer attended a crucial session of the second Indo-Russian joint working group on Afghanistan in Moscow amidst increase of Taliban's military activity near the Tajikistan border. And, Russia's Federal Security Bureau (the former KGB) chief Nicolai Patroshev is visiting Teheran this week in connection with Taliban's military build-up.
Indian officials say that India and Iran will only play the role of "facilitator" while the US and Russia will combat the Taliban from the front with the help of two Central Asian countries, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, to push Taliban lines back to the 1998 position 50 km away from Mazar-e-Sharief city in northern Afghanistan.
Military action will be the last option though it now seems scarcely avoidable with the UN banned from Taliban controlled areas. The UN which adopted various means in the last four years to resolve the Afghan problem is now being suspected by the Taliban and refused entry into Taliban areas of the war ravaged nation through a decree issued by Taliban chief Mullah Mohammad Omar last month. [indiareacts.com]
BBC - American government told other governments about Afghan invasion IN JULY 2001.
US 'planned attack on Taleban'
The wider objective was to oust the Taleban
By the BBC's George Arney
A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks. Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.
Mr Naik said US officials told him of the plan at a UN-sponsored international contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin. Mr Naik told the BBC that at the meeting the US representatives told him that unless Bin Laden was handed over swiftly America would take military action to kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taleban leader, Mullah Omar.
The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, would be to topple the Taleban regime and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place - possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah. Mr Naik was told that Washington would launch its operation from bases in Tajikistan, where American advisers were already in place.
He was told that Uzbekistan would also participate in the operation and that 17,000 Russian troops were on standby. Mr Naik was told that if the military action went ahead it would take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest.
He said that he was in no doubt that after the World Trade Center bombings this pre-existing US plan had been built upon and would be implemented within two or three weeks. And he said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taleban. [BBC]
President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaida two days before Sept. 11 but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, U.S. and foreign sources told NBC News. ... The plan dealt with all aspects of a war against al-Qaida, ranging from diplomatic initiatives to military operations in Afghanistan, the sources said on condition of anonymity. [MSNBC]
9/11 radio broadcast: "The Director of the CIA warned that there could be an attack—an imminent attack—on the United States of this nature. So this is not entirely unexpected." [Memory Hole] 9/11 CBS9 broadcast: "There are contigency plans set to go, and the plans have been set to go for several weeks now on what to do if Osama bin Laden were to plan a very large attack, and they've selected targets in Afghanistan, and you can be sure that if it is Osama bin Laden that the US will probably retaliate, and retaliate massively." WMV video download (172kB) 
"To be truthful about it, there was no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September 11."
Tony Blair. July 17, 2002 [Guardian]
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/preplanned.html
See also:
Tony Blair’s bin Laden dossier: a pretext instead of proof
The Fake 2001 bin Laden Confession Video
It's All About Oil!
The Afghanistan War was Planned
Months Before the 9/11 Attacks
Jane's Defense - India Joined US led plan against Afghanistan in March 2001.
From April 2001, yet more indications that a mideast war was planned long before 9/11.
India Reacts - American government told other governments about Afghan invasion IN JUNE 2001."India joins anti-Taliban coalition"
By Rahul Bedi
India is believed to have joined Russia, the USA and Iran in a concerted front against Afghanistan's Taliban regime. [janes.com]By Rahul Bedi
From April 2001, yet more indications that a mideast war was planned long before 9/11.
In this article published in India in the summer of 2001 the Indian Government announces that it will support America's PLANNED military incursion into Afghanistan.
India in anti-Taliban military plan
India and Iran will "facilitate" the planned US-Russia hostilities against the Taliban.
By Our Correspondent
26 June 2001: India and Iran will "facilitate" US and Russian plans for "limited military action"
against the Taliban if the contemplated tough new economic sanctions don't bend Afghanistan's fundamentalist regime. The Taliban controls 90 per cent of Afghanistan and is advancing northward along the Salang highway and preparing for a rear attack on the opposition Northern Alliance from
Tajikistan-Afghanistan border positions.
Indian foreign secretary Chokila Iyer attended a crucial session of the second Indo-Russian joint working group on Afghanistan in Moscow amidst increase of Taliban's military activity near the Tajikistan border. And, Russia's Federal Security Bureau (the former KGB) chief Nicolai Patroshev is visiting Teheran this week in connection with Taliban's military build-up.
Indian officials say that India and Iran will only play the role of "facilitator" while the US and Russia will combat the Taliban from the front with the help of two Central Asian countries, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, to push Taliban lines back to the 1998 position 50 km away from Mazar-e-Sharief city in northern Afghanistan.
Military action will be the last option though it now seems scarcely avoidable with the UN banned from Taliban controlled areas. The UN which adopted various means in the last four years to resolve the Afghan problem is now being suspected by the Taliban and refused entry into Taliban areas of the war ravaged nation through a decree issued by Taliban chief Mullah Mohammad Omar last month. [indiareacts.com]
BBC - American government told other governments about Afghan invasion IN JULY 2001.
US 'planned attack on Taleban'
The wider objective was to oust the Taleban
By the BBC's George Arney
A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks. Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.
Mr Naik said US officials told him of the plan at a UN-sponsored international contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin. Mr Naik told the BBC that at the meeting the US representatives told him that unless Bin Laden was handed over swiftly America would take military action to kill or capture both Bin Laden and the Taleban leader, Mullah Omar.
The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, would be to topple the Taleban regime and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place - possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah. Mr Naik was told that Washington would launch its operation from bases in Tajikistan, where American advisers were already in place.
He was told that Uzbekistan would also participate in the operation and that 17,000 Russian troops were on standby. Mr Naik was told that if the military action went ahead it would take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest.
He said that he was in no doubt that after the World Trade Center bombings this pre-existing US plan had been built upon and would be implemented within two or three weeks. And he said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taleban. [BBC]
MSNBC - Afghanistan war plans were on Bush's desk on 9/9/2001
President Bush was expected to sign detailed plans for a worldwide war against al-Qaida two days before Sept. 11 but did not have the chance before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, U.S. and foreign sources told NBC News. ... The plan dealt with all aspects of a war against al-Qaida, ranging from diplomatic initiatives to military operations in Afghanistan, the sources said on condition of anonymity. [MSNBC]
In the summer of 2001, while the American media kept the people distracted with "All Condit All The Time", the US Government was informing other governments that we would be at war in Afghanistan no later than October.
How lucky for our government that just when they are planning to invade another country, for the express purpose of removing that government, a convenient "terrorist" attack occurs to anger Americans into support for an invasion.
How lucky for our government that just when they are planning to invade another country, for the express purpose of removing that government, a convenient "terrorist" attack occurs to anger Americans into support for an invasion.
"To be truthful about it, there was no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September 11."Tony Blair. July 17, 2002 [Guardian]
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/preplanned.html
See also:
Tony Blair’s bin Laden dossier: a pretext instead of proof
The Fake 2001 bin Laden Confession Video
It's All About Oil!
House Member
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December 27th, 2007, 06:09 PM
Hey Forum Republicans!
A few weeks ago you were all agog over Chavez and his supposed fixing of the votes in Venezuela --- a fix that never took place.
Now you can clearly see that your hero Musharraf has fixed the elections in Pakistan by removing judges and by killing Bhutto.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVADE PAKISTAN??????
Hey Forum Republicans!
A few weeks ago you were all agog over Chavez and his supposed fixing of the votes in Venezuela --- a fix that never took place.
Now you can clearly see that your hero Musharraf has fixed the elections in Pakistan by removing judges and by killing Bhutto.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVADE PAKISTAN??????
Genius
Posts: 1,325
Location: Toronto
Location: Toronto
December 27th, 2007, 08:42 PM
Also don't forget Pakistan's nuclear arsonal.
Quoting gopher
Shouldn't you wait for proof? Look what happened in Iraq. Hey Forum Republicans!
A few weeks ago you were all agog over Chavez and his supposed fixing of the votes in Venezuela --- a fix that never took place.
Now you can clearly see that your hero Musharraf has fixed the elections in Pakistan by removing judges and by killing Bhutto.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVADE PAKISTAN??????
A few weeks ago you were all agog over Chavez and his supposed fixing of the votes in Venezuela --- a fix that never took place.
Now you can clearly see that your hero Musharraf has fixed the elections in Pakistan by removing judges and by killing Bhutto.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVADE PAKISTAN??????
Also don't forget Pakistan's nuclear arsonal.
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December 27th, 2007, 09:54 PM
Quoting darkbeaver
His (whomever you're talking about) bum is already connected to his brain... through his anus. Pull! Pull, laddy! You'll get it out! Pull!
grow a spine, it will connect your bum to your brain.
Mighty Intellect
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Location: Calgary, Alberta
December 27th, 2007, 10:21 PM
Even if your meaning is ironic, it's dumb.
Sure, this all might play into Musharraf's hands - but only an idiot would think he had her killed.
Pangloss
- not trying to flame, just being blunt.
Quoting gopher
My goodness this is dumb. Hey Forum Republicans!
A few weeks ago you were all agog over Chavez and his supposed fixing of the votes in Venezuela --- a fix that never took place.
Now you can clearly see that your hero Musharraf has fixed the elections in Pakistan by removing judges and by killing Bhutto.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVADE PAKISTAN??????
A few weeks ago you were all agog over Chavez and his supposed fixing of the votes in Venezuela --- a fix that never took place.
Now you can clearly see that your hero Musharraf has fixed the elections in Pakistan by removing judges and by killing Bhutto.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVADE PAKISTAN??????
Even if your meaning is ironic, it's dumb.
Sure, this all might play into Musharraf's hands - but only an idiot would think he had her killed.
Pangloss
- not trying to flame, just being blunt.
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Posts: 3,381
December 30th, 2007, 05:39 PM
Yes..of course HE killed her.
And then left her family in tact. Don't forget, Bhutto is not a propoent of democracy but of ruling lineages. While families in politics are normal (the Kennedies, the Ghandi's) usually it is when a family member has the ability to take over.
Bhutto is more like a monarchy, when Bhutto dies her 19 year old son takes over the party (with no discussion or votes) despite not being qualified.
She was probably killed for being a woman in a mans field in Pakistan.
Yes..of course HE killed her.
And then left her family in tact. Don't forget, Bhutto is not a propoent of democracy but of ruling lineages. While families in politics are normal (the Kennedies, the Ghandi's) usually it is when a family member has the ability to take over.
Bhutto is more like a monarchy, when Bhutto dies her 19 year old son takes over the party (with no discussion or votes) despite not being qualified.
She was probably killed for being a woman in a mans field in Pakistan.
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December 30th, 2007, 05:45 PM
``She was probably killed for being a woman in a mans field in Pakistan.``
That wouldn't exactly explain why male members of her family were killed. As it is, most people in Pakistan are blaming Musharraf for having some hand in her death.
``She was probably killed for being a woman in a mans field in Pakistan.``
That wouldn't exactly explain why male members of her family were killed. As it is, most people in Pakistan are blaming Musharraf for having some hand in her death.
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December 30th, 2007, 06:17 PM
The Destabilization of Pakistan
By Prof. Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, December 30, 2007
The assassination of Benazir Bhutto has created conditions which contribute to the ongoing destabilization and fragmentation of Pakistan as a Nation.
The process of US sponsored "regime change", which normally consists in the re-formation of a fresh proxy government under new leaders has been broken. Discredited in the eyes of Pakistani public opinion, General Pervez Musharaf cannot remain in the seat of political power. But at the same time, the fake elections supported by the "international community" scheduled for January 2008, even if they were to be carried out, would not be accepted as legitimate, thereby creating a political impasse.
There are indications that the assassination of Benazir Bhutto was anticipated by US officials:
"Regime change" with a view to ensuring continuity under military rule is no longer the main thrust of US foreign policy. The regime of Pervez Musharraf cannot prevail. Washington's foreign policy course is to actively promote the political fragmentation and balkanization of Pakistan as a nation.
A new political leadership is anticipated but in all likelihood it will take on a very different shape, in relation to previous US sponsored regimes. One can expect that Washington will push for a compliant political leadership, unoncewrned with the National Interests,, which will serve its interests, while concurrently contributing under the disguise of "decentralization" to the weakening of the central government and the fracture of Pakistan's fragile federal structure.
The political impasse is deliberate. It is part of an evolving US foreign policy agenda, which favors disruption and disarray in the structures of the Pakistani State. Indirect rule by the Pakistani military and intelligence apparatus is to be replaced by more direct forms of US interference, including an expanded US military presence inside Pakistan.
Thi
The Destabilization of Pakistan
By Prof. Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, December 30, 2007
The assassination of Benazir Bhutto has created conditions which contribute to the ongoing destabilization and fragmentation of Pakistan as a Nation.
The process of US sponsored "regime change", which normally consists in the re-formation of a fresh proxy government under new leaders has been broken. Discredited in the eyes of Pakistani public opinion, General Pervez Musharaf cannot remain in the seat of political power. But at the same time, the fake elections supported by the "international community" scheduled for January 2008, even if they were to be carried out, would not be accepted as legitimate, thereby creating a political impasse.
There are indications that the assassination of Benazir Bhutto was anticipated by US officials:
"It has been known for months that the Bush-Cheney administration and its allies have been maneuvering to strengthen their political control of Pakistan, paving the way for the expansion and deepening of the “war on terrorism” across the region.Political Impasse
Various American destabilization plans, known for months by officials and analysts, proposed the toppling of Pakistan's military...
The assassination of Bhutto appears to have been anticipated. There were even reports of “chatter” among US officials about the possible assassinations of either Pervez Musharraf or Benazir Bhutto, well before the actual attempts took place. (Larry Chin, Global Research, 29 December 2007)
"Regime change" with a view to ensuring continuity under military rule is no longer the main thrust of US foreign policy. The regime of Pervez Musharraf cannot prevail. Washington's foreign policy course is to actively promote the political fragmentation and balkanization of Pakistan as a nation.
A new political leadership is anticipated but in all likelihood it will take on a very different shape, in relation to previous US sponsored regimes. One can expect that Washington will push for a compliant political leadership, unoncewrned with the National Interests,, which will serve its interests, while concurrently contributing under the disguise of "decentralization" to the weakening of the central government and the fracture of Pakistan's fragile federal structure.
The political impasse is deliberate. It is part of an evolving US foreign policy agenda, which favors disruption and disarray in the structures of the Pakistani State. Indirect rule by the Pakistani military and intelligence apparatus is to be replaced by more direct forms of US interference, including an expanded US military presence inside Pakistan.
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The plan to topple Pakistan's military?
By Ahmed Quraishi
Global Research, December 30, 2007
The New Nation, Pakistan - 2007-12-12
Editor's note
The following article in the Asian Times and New Nation, Pakistan was published several weeks prior to the assassination of Benzir Bhutto.
Islamabad - On the evening of September 26, 2006, Pakistani strongman Pervez Musharraf walked into the studio of Comedy Central's Daily Show with Jon Stewart, the first sitting president anywhere to dare do this political satire show.
Stewart offered his guest some tea and cookies and played the perfect host by asking, "Is it good?" before springing a surprise: "Where's Osama bin Laden?"
"I don't know," Musharraf replied, as the audience enjoyed the rare sight of a strong leader apparently cornered. "You know where he is?" Musharraf snapped back, "You lead on, we'll follow you."
What General Musharraf didn't know then is that he really was being cornered. Some of the smiles that greeted him in Washington and back home gave no hint of the betrayal that awaited him.
As he completed the remaining part of his US visit, his allies in Washington and elsewhere, as all evidence suggests now, were plotting his downfall. They had decided to take a page from the book of successful "color revolutions" where Western governments covertly used money, private media, student unions, NGOs and international pressure to stage coups, basically overthrowing individuals not fitting well with Washington's agenda.
The plan to topple Pakistan's military?
By Ahmed Quraishi
Global Research, December 30, 2007
The New Nation, Pakistan - 2007-12-12
Editor's note
The following article in the Asian Times and New Nation, Pakistan was published several weeks prior to the assassination of Benzir Bhutto.
Islamabad - On the evening of September 26, 2006, Pakistani strongman Pervez Musharraf walked into the studio of Comedy Central's Daily Show with Jon Stewart, the first sitting president anywhere to dare do this political satire show.
Stewart offered his guest some tea and cookies and played the perfect host by asking, "Is it good?" before springing a surprise: "Where's Osama bin Laden?"
"I don't know," Musharraf replied, as the audience enjoyed the rare sight of a strong leader apparently cornered. "You know where he is?" Musharraf snapped back, "You lead on, we'll follow you."
What General Musharraf didn't know then is that he really was being cornered. Some of the smiles that greeted him in Washington and back home gave no hint of the betrayal that awaited him.
As he completed the remaining part of his US visit, his allies in Washington and elsewhere, as all evidence suggests now, were plotting his downfall. They had decided to take a page from the book of successful "color revolutions" where Western governments covertly used money, private media, student unions, NGOs and international pressure to stage coups, basically overthrowing individuals not fitting well with Washington's agenda.
