Jack Layton says ....

I'm aware of the pipeline theory, but that is hardly a conventional resource.

I'm sorry aeon, I just don't believe that conspiracy theory.

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But hey, maybe it was Bin Laden that wanted to free up all that opium. I mean he's the one who orchestrated the attacks on 9/11. Maybe since Binny comes from oil money, maybe he wanted that pipe line running through his terrorist training camp...

Didn't Al Qaida admit it?

He created the training camps, he must have given the orders along the way for the attack of that magnitude.

Can you provide links. i always thought someone, if not Bin Laden had admitted to it. This is interesting.

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I'm aware of the pipeline theory, but that is hardly a conventional resource.

But it is needed for the us economy,and you think afganisthan doesnt have nice ressource?? what about opium??

The taliban got rid of 90% of opium production in 2000 according to the united nation, the greatest drug catch in human history, after the us coaltion invasion , that 90% of opium production got back on the market, thankx to the bush administration.

I saw this broadcast and believe it to be credible. Also from the same link:

Shortly before the US presidential election in 2004 in a taped statement, bin Laden publicly acknowledged al-Qaida's involvement in the attacks on the U.S, and admitted his direct link to the attacks. He said that the attacks were carried out because "we are a free people who do not accept injustice, and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

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It is easy to understand. Politicians work on deception and fear. An attack, like pearl harbour, was a major part of Cheney and Rumsfield's plan which is better documented than one grainy tape which contridicts what OBL originally stated. But hey, if you like logic, please explain how a few men with carpet knifes managed to subdue the people into accepting their deaths. Not to mention how the WTC 7 fell without a single plane hitting it, or, how no steel structure building had ever been felled by fire, or how they "emploded", or how there was no photographs of the plane hitting the pentagon, until there were, which clearly doesn't go with the official story,, I could go on but I think you get the point(Do I go into the NSA wiretapping, the gitmo farce, the UN and amnesty internation reports of torture from secret prisons, or the many international laws this admin has broken). I guess what I am asking you is at what time are there simply too many coincidences for it to be comfortable?
If another "terrorist" attack comes, look for it to be blamed on Iran. Problem, reaction, solution. Remember that pattern and life will become a lot clearer. And much much more frieghtening - which is why most people shoose just to beleive what they are told.

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aeon

You are one of those people that if I knew in person could very well drive me to drink with your logic.

You first compare Bush with the likes of Hitler and Stalin, and then you believe Osama Bin Laden because he said he had nothing to do with the attacks on September 11th.

Reason does not appear to be your forte

It is easy to understand. Politicians work on deception and fear. An attack, like pearl harbour, was a major part of Cheney and Rumsfield's plan which is better documented than one grainy tape which contridicts what OBL originally stated.

But hey, if you like logic, please explain how a few men with carpet knifes managed to subdue the people into accepting their deaths.

Not to mention how the WTC 7 fell without a single plane hitting it, or, how no steel structure building had ever been felled by fire, or how they "emploded", or how there was no photographs of the plane hitting the pentagon, until there were, which clearly doesn't go with the official story,, I could go on but I think you get the point

(Do I go into the NSA wiretapping, the gitmo farce, the UN and amnesty internation reports of torture from secret prisons, or the many international laws this admin has broken). I guess what I am asking you is at what time are there simply too many coincidences for it to be comfortable?

If another "terrorist" attack comes, look for it to be blamed on Iran. Problem, reaction, solution. Remember that pattern and life will become a lot clearer. And much much more frieghtening - which is why most people shoose just to beleive what they are told.

I have a question for you, why according to most intelligence in the world saudi arabia is the root of terrorism, and we hear nothing from the bush administration on them??

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I have a question for you, why according to most intelligence in the world saudi arabia is the root of terrorism, and we hear nothing from the bush administration on them??

We don't?

Provide your documentation, I'm assuming you will refer me to the PNAC site, please cite the paragraph where you have determined this to be the case.

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I have a question for you, why according to most intelligence in the world saudi arabia is the root of terrorism, and we hear nothing from the bush administration on them??

We don't?

Nope , we hear a lot about syrie, iran, but none of our leaders from canada, usa, talked about saudi arabia.

So, what you are saying is the Bush administration should confront the Saudi royal family, and insist they immediately cease their support for radical Islamists. I think they have done this.

Should they threaten the Saudis for insifficient reaction? Should they invade? :P

What do you want.

Nope , we hear a lot about syrie, iran, but none of our leaders from canada, usa, talked about saudi arabia.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf page 63.

There is very little I can do to prove to you something that is, if merely seeing it play out in front of you isn't enough to wake up. The fact is that they are still talking about it. They knew, years ago, about all of this, and it is all online. I am not going to do your research for you. Knowledge may be free, but it ain't going to be delivered for you.

You don't think like a murderer? Come on, everyone does, we are animals it is in our very nature to kill to survive - just as it is in our very nature to fight for survival.

All those people, couldn't have been people to just flacidly accept death - or maybe they were all killed, maybe a few Muslims, with box cutters and a severe case of Bruce Le-itis just trounced all those people - 20 to 1 odds is no problem for these people huh? To beleive the official story, is to beleive that mass amounts of people would calmly accept death, which has never been the case in history.

But then neither has a metal structure been felled before in history

and the only time in history that Norad was on down time, was the exact time that the planes hit, and lets not forget WTC 7 being felled without anything happening to it (Say wasn't that were the FBI and CIA offices were?).

These coinsedenses are really piling up. September the 11th, should be called the day of history breaking events.

Let me put this in a way for everyone to understand. Many people will here these accounts and many others and pass them off as a conspiracy. However, consider the example of neighbors...
You(The hypothetical you) and your neighbour are having an arguement. He has requested you take down your garage as it stops him from scene that it is blocking(Be it a pond, tree's, park, etc). You simply say you are sorry that he can no longer see such things, but it is your right to build the garage, and it complied with all the codes. He storms off in a huff, and you leave for work.
When you return, the garage is not there. You approach your neighbour and he says that a strong wind came and just tore it to shreds. You ask where the remains are and he says he has shipped them to china to be disposed of. You later check the weather reports and find no mention of strong winds, you search for other sheds that might have fell victum to killer winds and find it has never happened before, short of the three little pig variety.
So what happened? Is it a conspiracy theory, or do you just have to see who got what they wanted, combined with the illogical explaination, combined with the lack of hard evidense(Because he took it away) mixed with some comman sense to know?
See it doesn't have to be a consiracy theory, it just has to follow the rules of logic - which the offical story clearly doesn't. However, think what ye will, and be at peace...

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Knowledge may be free, but it ain't going to be delivered for you.

NORAD never had a down time, you're not keeping up with the latest twists of this conspiracy theory. You mean nothing happened to WTC 7 as in 1 million tons of debris falling at its base?

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Well, I didn't want to get into this too deep, so lets keep this short. There are a few reasons that we disagree on this issue. The fact is that Jet fuel burns in around the 1600 degree f. The steel used for the WTC towers was saftey inspected to withstand up to 3000 degree's F. Of course, they were also designed to withstand the force of a plane flying into them as well - but many have moved past this. The point is not what temperatures each can have, although why the temperatures at the rubble were nearly 500 degrees hotter than the maximum temperature for burning jet fuel? Either way, think what you like, but answer me this - what happened to WTC7? No plane hit it, and yet it fell too, just like the others, and that too was a steel framed building...
I am sorry my friends, but the simple truth is there are far too many things that would have to be just so, for the planes to fall in the WTC1 and 2, and there is no reason why WTC7 would have fell. But, if you feel better thinking that this was done by a few people with box cutters, have a party. I just chose to be a bit more sceptical when those that put for the story, are the same people that refuse to release information on the results of their inquiry, and then use that attack to further a fundimental goal of theirs.....
However, a couple of links in relation to the fuel thing...

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You just don't understand architecture and engineering. But that's okay, because people like you are good amusement.

Why don't you invest $60,000 and five years, go to school, and learn something? Then you can come back with your theories.