#1May 17th, 2005
I guess Harper aint to happy.
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I guess Harper aint to happy.
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Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Andygal
There you gowho is Belinda Stronach?
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RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005
She ran against Harper for Tory leader and she represents Newmarket/Aurora in Ontario.
So I guess that helps Martin pass the budget now. I am totally not suprised as she is a moderate.
So I guess that helps Martin pass the budget now. I am totally not suprised as she is a moderate.
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RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005
Oh I see. I checked the CBC website.
Can you say "HELL YES!!!!!!"?
I though so.
Now the budget bill may well pass.
Can you say "HELL YES!!!!!!"?
I though so.
Now the budget bill may well pass.
Conservative
#7
RE: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005
Finally,a Martin decision I can get behind. I did think she should have been the Tory leader tho.
#8
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005
Actually she was one of the very few tories I likes. She is quite intelligant and listening to her now, she has common sense and hopefully she will be a plus for the liberals.
However I will not vote liberal, I still will support NDP.
However I will not vote liberal, I still will support NDP.
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RE: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005
Its crazy, how could someone who wanted to lead the Conservative Party, find herself comfortable among Liberals. Perhaps it’s best she crossed the floor, but I can't imagine she will win her seat again sitting as a Liberal. I had hopes for her too.
Crazy world.
Crazy world.
#11
Re: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005
Wow oh Wow !!
This is potentially great news, and it surely puts down the Harper agenda for awhile. Hopefully it will lead to his departure from politics.
Belinda in the CPC just didn't seem proper. No woman with any self-respect would be involved with THAT party....
She could see her star rise even more now, and she is allready in the Liberal cabinet, right? She sure carries a lot of 'political weight' from the start somehow, a concern for me as it is Elitist.
Ha ha ha, I just can't stop laughing at Harper and his "confidence" , his uppity-nosed "I am right" style. Actually, this is just like seeing a BULLY get what he deserves, and exposed for what he really is...a selfish power-hungry megalominiac who would surely put his own advancement before the Good of the Nation, something Belinda is pointing out with this act of defection.
Karlin
This is potentially great news, and it surely puts down the Harper agenda for awhile. Hopefully it will lead to his departure from politics.
Belinda in the CPC just didn't seem proper. No woman with any self-respect would be involved with THAT party....
She could see her star rise even more now, and she is allready in the Liberal cabinet, right? She sure carries a lot of 'political weight' from the start somehow, a concern for me as it is Elitist.
Ha ha ha, I just can't stop laughing at Harper and his "confidence" , his uppity-nosed "I am right" style. Actually, this is just like seeing a BULLY get what he deserves, and exposed for what he really is...a selfish power-hungry megalominiac who would surely put his own advancement before the Good of the Nation, something Belinda is pointing out with this act of defection.
Karlin
#12
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005
She will be the Human Resources and Skills Development minister.
#13
RE: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005
She cooked her goose with that move
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Re: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005
Oh no it's gonna be the whole Carolyn Parrish argument again. 
She really should step down and run again as a Liberal. Crossing the floor like that may be OK to stave off a confidence vote, but after thursday she should run for re-election.
She really should step down and run again as a Liberal. Crossing the floor like that may be OK to stave off a confidence vote, but after thursday she should run for re-election.
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RE: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005
We might be going to the polls soon anyways...
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May 17th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
I think your correct in that assessment. I believe this only holds off the inevitable.We might be going to the polls soon anyways...
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RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005
Belinda is the only Conservative that was hinting that Harper's push to go to the polls wasn't a good idea. I'll bet her constituents wanted this budget passed and aren't making happy noises about Harper.
What happens with her torrid romance with Peter MacKay now?
What happens with her torrid romance with Peter MacKay now?
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May 17th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
She'll be using her little Liberal vibrator now.Belinda is the only Conservative that was hinting that Harper's push to go to the polls wasn't a good idea. I'll bet her constituents wanted this budget passed and aren't making happy noises about Harper.
What happens with her torrid romance with Peter MacKay now?
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RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005
This, according to my count, means that the best the Conservatives can do is a tie. It might be a while before we go to the polls if the independents stay on-side.
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RE: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005
After the house voted that the liberals should resign? I think in a Democracy, we should respect that. I don't see why we wouldn't.
#23
RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005
The vote was not a confidence vote, it was an order to committee. The committee can reject it if they want and since the Liberals and NDP control the committee, they will.
Since you're so interested in democracy though, Jay...the Liberals and NDP have a higher percentage of the popular vote than the CPC and Bloc do.
I guess now that Stronach has crossed the floor, they have even more of the popular vote.
Since you're so interested in democracy though, Jay...the Liberals and NDP have a higher percentage of the popular vote than the CPC and Bloc do.
I guess now that Stronach has crossed the floor, they have even more of the popular vote.
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Re: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005
I'd vote for Belinda 
At least she'd be a good looking theif :P
At least she'd be a good looking theif :P #26
Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005
I know that it isn't a confidence vote, but to use that as a reason to hold onto power is lame at least.
I wouldn't say though the Liberals have more of the popular vote, because Belinda's voters didn't put in a liberal, they voted conservative. We need to have an election to sort these things out.
I wouldn't say though the Liberals have more of the popular vote, because Belinda's voters didn't put in a liberal, they voted conservative. We need to have an election to sort these things out.
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Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
Jay, doesn't it make any impression at all, that a star player in the Conservative ranks, formerly a corporate CEO, decided to make such a radical move? I'd think you'd be at least a little curious why. Until that question is answered, along with the Gomery Inquiry ones... the country will not disappear in a puff of smoke if we have an election in the Fall, let's say, instead of next month.After the house voted that the liberals should resign? I think in a Democracy, we should respect that. I don't see why we wouldn't.
Were you really that anxious to stand in line, in a stifling polling station, in June? I don't think record low voter turnouts, leading to yet another minority vote, would have solved anything anyway.
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RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005
They had more of the popular vote before she crossed too, Jay. Most of that is because the NDP is the only party that gets more of the popular vote than seats, but what the hell?
The rules in the House are clear. The only thing that can bring down a government is a confidence vote. For that to take place it either has to be a money bill, or the PM has to declare it to be a matter of confidence.
Martin agreed to hold two such votes on Thursday. If they pass, then the House has expressed confidence in the government.
You lose, bud. Our money will spent on us instead of the corporate paymasters of the Conservative party.
The rules in the House are clear. The only thing that can bring down a government is a confidence vote. For that to take place it either has to be a money bill, or the PM has to declare it to be a matter of confidence.
Martin agreed to hold two such votes on Thursday. If they pass, then the House has expressed confidence in the government.
You lose, bud. Our money will spent on us instead of the corporate paymasters of the Conservative party.
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RE: Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet
May 17th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by snoproblem
I think I already know why she did it.Quote: Originally Posted by JayJay, doesn't it make any impression at all, that a star player in the Conservative ranks, formerly a corporate CEO, decides to make such a radical move? I'd think you'd be at least a little curious why. Until that question is answered, along with the Gomery Inquiry ones... the country will not disappear in a puff of smoke if we have an election in the Fall, let's say, instead of next month.After the house voted that the liberals should resign? I think in a Democracy, we should respect that. I don't see why we wouldn't.
Were you really that anxious to stand in line, in a stifling polling station, in June? I don't think record low voter turnouts, leading to yet another minority vote, would have solved anything anyway.
I don't believe a Democracy is run on petty arguments like "it's to hot in June". If we need to run an election than that’s the way it goes. I didn't want to go to the polls the last time either, but we did.
Also when I vote, I head down to the local public school which is a three minute walk from my house, and I have never stood in a line for more than 5 minutes.
I don't think that voting in another minority government is a bad thing. This is the political climate of the country right now, and I respect that. I want another mandate to be issued, as I don't believe this government has one, and the house has no faith in the government. Another election would solve that problem, and the bickering problem we face.
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Re: RE: Belinda Stronach appo
May 17th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
I'm aware of the rules....They had more of the popular vote before she crossed too, Jay. Most of that is because the NDP is the only party that gets more of the popular vote than seats, but what the hell?
The rules in the House are clear. The only thing that can bring down a government is a confidence vote. For that to take place it either has to be a money bill, or the PM has to declare it to be a matter of confidence.
Martin agreed to hold two such votes on Thursday. If they pass, then the House has expressed confidence in the government.
You lose, bud. Our money will spent on us instead of the corporate paymasters of the Conservative party.
I think having an election is spending our money on us.
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