Belinda Stronach appointed to Cabinet

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Make sure you use the same standards on Derry then. You are somewhat selective at times about censoring posts, as we have discussed before.

Count on it, Bluealberta. I just happened across your comment. If I've missed Derry doing the same thing, let me know. Same rules apply to us all, mods included. No more throwing sand in each others eyes!

I love these debates and it's frustrating when it degenerates into a fight. No one benefits. You and I obviously share differing political views, but I find it fascinating to hear the "why" of what you believe.

Thats funny! you do even have the jam to admit that the homophobia comes from religious dogma, based on a book of myths. Tell me what other moral conclusions do you come to based on the book of myths.
In fact is nothing but good old religious dogma that has purposely created and the hate and crimes againist gays. You pass it on from one generation to the next. But hey who knows you have native childern come to birthday parties, maybe one day you will accept the human being known as the gay.

Quit whining about the moderators, like you said you can always go to that board where you feel more comfortable, you did know it is known around the net as the "hate" board. Wow! big surprise there eh?

For instance, when I say I want fiscally responsible social programs, the response comes back that I am against the poor, or the disabled, or children.

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For instance, when I say I want fiscally responsible social programs, the response comes back that I am against the poor, or the disabled, or children.

Because the social programs you would do away with support those people. The government you support provincially has cut such programs and people have suffered and even died as a result. The party you support federally would cut even deeper and, in fact, have made statements over the years (in their various guises) that show them to be dogmatic extremists.

Your "fiscally responsible" social programs are socially irresponsible.

Since when did wanting fiscally responsible social programs jump to doing away with these programs?

You claims about Alberta are false and disgusting.

In fact, their platform in last years election was criticized by the LIberals as being too expensive and would lead to deficit financing.

I like debates too, but what I can't abide by is someone responding to my opinions by insulting, or taking an extreme response.

Quote: Since when did wanting fiscally responsible social programs jump to doing away with these programs?Your extremely optimistic economic predictions combined with your rush to cut taxes for the rich and your corporate donors would require cuts. All of your rhetoric and history points to those cuts being made to social programs...a continutaion of the war on the poor that neo-conservatives have been waging since the Reagan/Thatcher/Mulroney triumvirate of the 1980's.
The tax cuts for all were to be phased in over time. Quit going on history of the old PC's. This is a new party with new people and new policies. To continue to compare them to old parties is misleading.
Quote: You claims about Alberta are false and disgusting.You cut funding to the disabled. You quit funding education to reasonable levels. You closed hospitals. You cut social programs. You provided no benefits for the elderly.
No, froze funding in some cases,yes. As far as hospitals, yes some were closed. Why? Here is an example. In the area I live, there were seven full service hosipitals within 60 miles of my community, which had a full service plus a regional...

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the book of myths otherwise known as the bible! crimes committed againist gay people because of the nonsense in that book. And look I am still typing to...not struck down yet...maybe later.
I am not talking about free dommion even they don't sink as low as the hate board. I for one think the hole lot who have purposely created the religious dogma against gay people should be taken to the hague and put on trial for crimes againist humanity.

The tax cuts for all were to be phased in over time. Quit going on history of the old PC's. This is a new party with new people and new policies. To continue to compare them to old parties is misleading.

Spending was over the liberals, which included spending on the military which the left, including liberals and NDP have tragically ignored. But social programs were to be reviewed to ensure the most money went to the right people.

Quote: The tax cuts for all were to be phased in over time. Quit going on history of the old PC's. This is a new party with new people and new policies. To continue to compare them to old parties is misleading.You are dependent on the same trickle down theories you were extolling 25 years ago. Guess what? People got tired of being trickled on.
The new CPC has new policies, as I stated before.
Your theories led to increased debt, more work for less pay, the gutting of the social safety net, and an ever-increasing gap between rich and poor.
Quote: Spending was over the liberals, which included spending on the military which the left, including liberals and NDP have tragically ignored. But social programs were to be reviewed to ensure the most money went to the right people.Don't try that, "The other parties would do nothing for the military," crap, BA. The Liberals and NDP both had plans for increasing military spending. It wasn't based on US needs and didn't require US-style expenditures, but then they weren't trying to send troops to Iraq either.
Actually, the rationale of not sending troops to Iraq was because it was not...

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The new CPC has new policies, as I stated before.

Actually, the rationale of not sending troops to Iraq was because it was not UN santioned. If the UN had sanctioned it, Canadian troops would have gone.

Nobody quit training anybody, that is a deliberate misrepresentation of the truth. Yes, programs got frozen.

Read again: 9 hospitals in a 120 mile radius. That was a case of overkill, and not all of them got closed. Three got closed that were within 20 miles of each other, though. What do you want, a hospital on every corner?

He had such a massive majority before, it was only logical he would lose some.

He didn't buy any votes last budget either.

One word for you Blue OIL thats the only reason you have any of that and when its gone then what Guess what I see Alberta plates all over all of a sudden .People are leaving that hell hole and coming back here :P So watch your back BC is on the rise

Quote: The new CPC has new policies, as I stated before.They don't though. They've prettied them, but it's like putting lipstick on a pig.
Quote: Actually, the rationale of not sending troops to Iraq was because it was not UN santioned. If the UN had sanctioned it, Canadian troops would have gone.If the UN would have sanctioned it, it wouldn't have been an illegal US war based on lies and fought for oil.
Quote: Nobody quit training anybody, that is a deliberate misrepresentation of the truth. Yes, programs got frozen.Go look up the statistics. Training of medical professionals went way down.
Quote: Read again: 9 hospitals in a 120 mile radius. That was a case of overkill, and not all of them got closed. Three got closed that were within 20 miles of each other, though. What do you want, a hospital on every corner?Your premier closed hospitals and cut beds while waiting times kept on increasing.
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So you have no answer? It's about damned time you came to your senses and recognized you didn't have a leg to stand on.

Don't you get dizzy spinning like that, Blue?

Voting for the conservatives has nothing to do with finance, why can't you understand that. We take the thief over the religious zealot. Not much of a choice, but there it is...as long as the conservatives carry the baggage of religious zealots, I doubt they will ever get elected in this country, all you have to do is look south and see what the religious zealot has done in that country.

Clinton didn't base his political decisions on god or religion though. He cancelled the stupid global gag order that was killing women and children in developing countries (which Bush has reinstated and Harper has said he agrees with), and he wasn't spending his time trying to take away a woman's right to choose, a popular right wing pastime in the US and Canada.

How do you know he didn't? Were you in the White House? There is absolutely nothing in any of the CPC policies that anyone with even a modicum of intelligence could point to that says the conservativew will take away a womans right to choose. Your continued deliberate misrepresentation of this is beyond a joke.

Look at conservative social policies and tell us again how they aren't related to their radical religious beliefs, BA. We all know that they'd impose their beliefs on us if they could, but it's funny to see you try to spin it the other way.

I wonder then blue, if you are able to detect, in any measure, the insane religiousity of Bush's Backwater Christian Revival...

The global gag order that Bush reinstated is causing real people to die, Blue. It is very much a piece of faith-based legislation. Look it up.

Harper very pointedly refused to say that he would keep his MPs from introducing a private members bill banning abortion. He did say that if one of them did, he would let his MPs vote for it.

You are talking about using a private members bill as a way to have a policy that appears more moderate to the Canadian people while still putting forth the same old extremist ideas, Blue. That is dishonest at its very heart. It is corrupt, in fact.

The rest of your post is an untruth wrapped in a myth promoted only by the dishonest.