Conservative Gurmant Grewal


The Philosopher
#151
-- - This is the "Liberal expert" who examined copies of the tape.

-- - Here is an article on an expert analysis of the tapes made by the same man who said the copies were altered, and another.
 
Reverend Blair
#152
The Conservative's expert did say that the MP3s the Conservatives released had been edited though...which matches what all the other experts, who have not been given access to the originals, have said.


I also still want to know how the Conservatives had somebody indepently analyze the tapes if those tapes are in the hands of the RCMP. Or was somebody fibbing when they said that the evidence had been turned over?
 
Vanni Fucci
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#153
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

I also still want to know how the Conservatives had somebody indepently analyze the tapes if those tapes are in the hands of the RCMP. Or was somebody fibbing when they said that the evidence had been turned over?

I would think that would be construed as an obstruction of justice, Rev...

 
Ted
#154
I fail to see how the NDP has done anything wrong. And before you label me as a left wing nut, as I have stated before, I support none of the parties. I try to use my critical thinking skills to see things for what they are, without partisan prejudice. I know there is corruption in all parties.

In a minority government, or in coalitions, this is how business is done. In order to pass any legislation, there must be debate and compromises. Otherwise nothing would ever get done. Are you suggesting, blue, that it would be preferrable if everyone just stood their ground, bickering back and forth and nothing got done?

The NDP did not take those billions you mention into their coffers. Geez! But if Chuck Cadman says that the conservatives offered him campaign funding and to not run a candidate against him, then I believe him, as he is one of the few MPs that really does what he is supposed to be doing, and that is REPRESENT HIS CONSTITUENTS, not support a party line at all costs.

The Conservatives, in spite of the Liberal corruption scandal have not capitalized, in fact, they have made things worse for themselves by behaving like children instead of representing the people that elected them and working TOGETHER with the other factions in the best interests of the country. We are seeing that the Conservatives are at least as bad as the Liberals, kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me.
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#155
Well said Ted...
 
Andygal
#156
I also fail to see what the NDP did wrong. They forced the Liberals to make some changes in the budget that were highly supported by the public.

<sarcasm>Yes that's right they actually *gasp* commited the *gasp* heinous act of *gasp* representing the public interest. Yes the NDP do need to be drawn and quartered for doing their jobs and comporting themselves in a mature and civilized manner. After all, we cannot have politicians acting in the public interest instead of their own selfish interests. </sarcasm>
 
bluealberta
#157
Quote: Originally Posted by Andygal

I also fail to see what the NDP did wrong. They forced the Liberals to make some changes in the budget that were highly supported by the public.

<sarcasm>Yes that's right they actually *gasp* commited the *gasp* heinous act of *gasp* representing the public interest. Yes the NDP do need to be drawn and quartered for doing their jobs and comporting themselves in a mature and civilized manner. After all, we cannot have politicians acting in the public interest instead of their own selfish interests. </sarcasm>

If you all like to have a party that finished third in our past the post system running tht country, then why have elections at all?
 
Reverend Blair
#158
They aren't running the country, Blue. Give up the phoney rhetoric already. What they did was to make a deal in order to represent their constituents. That's the way that minority governments work. If your leader had a brain he could have done the same. Fortunately for Canada, Mr. Harper has no thoughts other than gaining power so he force his faith-based hidden agenda on the rest of us.
 
passpatoo
#159
It's amusing how, shortly after the last election, Harper and the conservatives (along with the Bloc) were all up in arms about how the Libs. were behaving like they were still in a majority. They wanted thier ideas to be recognized in (I think) the throne speech.

Now when it's the NDP making the deals everyone is crying about "buying votes" and "back room deals". These guys wear thier motivation on thier sleeves.
 
jimmy123
#160
How come it's OK when Liberals offer up carrots that they did not promise during the election to the Conservative Party (ie corporate tax cuts) to lure the Conservatives to support a budget, but if Liberals offer enticements to another party (NDP), it's shameful?

If you want to know how the NDP budget amendment could have been avoided, you need look no further than the Conservative leader who, if he had simply stated clearly that he would support the initial Liberal budget, would have avoided the Liberal/NDP deal entirely.
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#161
Quote: Originally Posted by jimmy123

If you want to know how the NDP budget amendment could have been avoided, you need look no further than the Conservative leader who, if he had simply stated clearly that he would support the initial Liberal budget, would have avoided the Liberal/NDP deal entirely.

Well, in his defense, he was far too busy throwing an Adscam tantrum...
 
bluealberta
#162
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by jimmy123

If you want to know how the NDP budget amendment could have been avoided, you need look no further than the Conservative leader who, if he had simply stated clearly that he would support the initial Liberal budget, would have avoided the Liberal/NDP deal entirely.

Well, in his defense, he was far too busy throwing an Adscam tantrum...

....which was totally justified, unless you want a lying, corrupt, and thieving government. Oh wait, according to the polls, I guess that is what Eastern Canada wants.
 
Reverend Blair
#163
No matter how many times you and the Alberta separatist party repeat that it still won't be true, Blue.
 
Vanni Fucci
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#164
Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

....which was totally justified, unless you want a lying,

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Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

corrupt

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Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

and thieving government.

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So how would voting for a bunch of redneck bigots prevent all of the above blue?
 
bluealberta
#165
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

No matter how many times you and the Alberta separatist party repeat that it still won't be true, Blue.

Whats not true? That the Liberals lie, cheat, steal and mismanage? Even you cannot deny that, it has been proven and proven and proven. Maybe its time your head came out and looked around.
 
bluealberta
#166
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta....which was totally justified, unless you want a lying, Fearful of being overrun by the larger Canadian Alliance, Progressive Conservative leader Peter MacKay said he won't agree to any merger agreement that allows his party's fate to be determined by "the province of Alberta alone."
Quote: Originally Posted by bluealbertacorrupthttp://bucketsofgrewal.blogspot.com/
Quote: Originally Posted by bluealbertaand thieving government.David Orchard Wants His Money Back
So how would voting for a bunch of redneck bigots prevent all of the above blue?

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I don't know, Vanni, ask your family and friends if you want the answer. I don't personally know any redneck bigots, but you must, you keep referring to them. Guess it takes one to know one.
 
no1important
#167
The "right" can't the the whole picture and truth as they are too dizzy from all the spinning........
 
bluealberta
#168
Quote: Originally Posted by no1important

The "right" can't the the whole picture and truth as they are too dizzy from all the spinning........

Have to spin simply to keep up with the dizzy spinners on the left who really don't have all the answers, but think they do. The right just lets them think they do, keeps them happy and content in their corner being fed ****. Just like a mushroom, or toadstool.
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#169
Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

Have to spin simply to keep up with the dizzy spinners on the left who really don't have all the answers, but think they do. The right just lets them think they do, keeps them happy and content in their corner being fed ****. Just like a mushroom, or toadstool.

...or a big 'C' conservative... :P
 
bluealberta
#170
Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

Have to spin simply to keep up with the dizzy spinners on the left who really don't have all the answers, but think they do. The right just lets them think they do, keeps them happy and content in their corner being fed ****. Just like a mushroom, or toadstool.

...or a big 'C' conservative... :P

The difference: We know that we are right, the left just thinks they are right :P
 
Vanni Fucci
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#171
Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta....which was totally justified, unless you want a lying, Fearful of being overrun by the larger Canadian Alliance, Progressive Conservative leader Peter MacKay said he won't agree to any merger agreement that allows his party's fate to be determined by "the province of Alberta alone."
Quote: Originally Posted by bluealbertacorrupthttp://bucketsofgrewal.blogspot.com/
Quote: Originally Posted by bluealbertaand thieving government.David Orchard Wants His Money Back
So how would voting for a bunch of redneck bigots prevent all of the above blue?

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I don't know, Vanni, ask your family and friends if you want the answer. I don't personally know any redneck bigots, but you must, you keep referring to them. Guess it takes one to know one.

So, rather than a real response, you make some vague allusion to my family and friends...

That's alright though, as everyone here knows that your party of preference is unsustainable, and it is only a matter of time before they wither on the vine...

Ah...and what a glorious day for Parliament that will be...

They might actually be able to get something done for this country without the Conservatives f**king around trying in vain to topple the government... :P
 
Vanni Fucci
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#172
Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci

Quote: Originally Posted by bluealberta

Have to spin simply to keep up with the dizzy spinners on the left who really don't have all the answers, but think they do. The right just lets them think they do, keeps them happy and content in their corner being fed ****. Just like a mushroom, or toadstool.

...or a big 'C' conservative... :P

The difference: We know that we are right, the left just thinks they are right :P

 
no1important
#173
Ha Ha Blue, Good one.

The Liberals and Conservatives and most politicians in general are "Great spinners"
 
Ted
#174
I don't think anyone here is denying that the Liberals are corrupt. but you, Blue, are in denial about the corruption in your own party. The comment I made about Chuck Cadman went right over your head and instead of going there (it would have been a no win situation for you) you decided to attack the NDP. All of the parties put their own particular spin on everything. What is sad is that there are so many Canadians that buy their favorite flavour, and defend it as if the spin were true.
 
mrmom2
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#175
Bravo hear hear I totaly agree Ted F**king liars and thieves.I hate them all
 
bluealberta
#176
Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2

Bravo hear hear I totaly agree Ted F**king liars and thieves.I hate them all

So, here is a question for all of you who think the press is not biased. When the COPIES of the Grewal tape were determined to be altered, it was headlines with all the liberal leaning press. When the originals were determined not to be altered, as confirmed by one of the same guys who determined that the copies were altered, it was a non news event. The originals have been determined to be accurate, no alterations. Tell me, why has not the Dull and Mail or the Toronto Red Star not splashed this as headlines? Why have not the liberal CBC and CTV not headlined this? The answer is obvious. They are horribly liberally biased, and have bought into the liberal spin and lies and corruption.

And Ted, please explain to me how the CPC who have not formed a government, are corrupt? This party is not the reform, alliance, or previous PC party. They have not had the opportunity to be corrupt, but there is certainly no doubt that the Libs are.
 
Reverend Blair
#177
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So, here is a question for all of you who think the press is not biased. When the COPIES of the Grewal tape were determined to be altered, it was headlines with all the liberal leaning press. When the originals were determined not to be altered, as confirmed by one of the same guys who determined that the copies were altered, it was a non news event.

Because those tapes had never been made public. Your party tried to lie to us. They altered tapes. They released inaccurate transcipts. They were playing games.

You should also understand that the CBC ran the story about the tapes for a day and a half, every hour on the hour, on Radio 1 and NewsWorld. Whoever gave you the information that they didn't cover it was being far less than honest with you.

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And Ted, please explain to me how the CPC who have not formed a government, are corrupt? This party is not the reform, alliance, or previous PC party. They have not had the opportunity to be corrupt, but there is certainly no doubt that the Libs are.

Releasing altered recordings is corrupt. Secretly taping people is corrupt. Protecting Cargill (a major campaign contributor) was corrupt. That's without being in power, imagine how bad they'd be if they were in power.
 
thelib
#178
Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair

Quote: So, here is a question for all of you who think the press is not biased. When the COPIES of the Grewal tape were determined to be altered, it was headlines with all the liberal leaning press. When the originals were determined not to be altered, as confirmed by one of the same guys who determined that the copies were altered, it was a non news event.Because those tapes had never been made public. Your party tried to lie to us. They altered tapes. They released inaccurate transcipts. They were playing games.
You should also understand that the CBC ran the story about the tapes for a day and a half, every hour on the hour, on Radio 1 and NewsWorld. Whoever gave you the information that they didn't cover it was being far less than honest with you.
Quote: And Ted, please explain to me how the CPC who have not formed a government, are corrupt? This party is not the reform, alliance, or previous PC party. They have not had the opportunity to be corrupt, but there is certainly no doubt that the Libs are.Releasing altered recordings is corrupt. Secretly taping people is corrupt. Protecting Cargill (a major campaign contributor) was corrupt. That's without being in power, imagine how bad they'd be if they were in...

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So everything the Liberals did is ok.

The CBC would have a field day if the shoes were on the other feet. You know it so do i.
 
Reverend Blair
#179
Quote:

So everything the Liberals did is ok.

I never said that.

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The CBC would have a field day if the shoes were on the other feet. You know it so do i.

The CBC has provided full coverage of Gomery, the saga of the doctored tapes, and all the other instances of corruption...both Liberal and Conservative.
 
bluealberta
#180
Quote: Originally Posted by thelib

Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend BlairQuote: So, here is a question for all of you who think the press is not biased. When the COPIES of the Grewal tape were determined to be altered, it was headlines with all the liberal leaning press. When the originals were determined not to be altered, as confirmed by one of the same guys who determined that the copies were altered, it was a non news event.Because those tapes had never been made public. Your party tried to lie to us. They altered tapes. They released inaccurate transcipts. They were playing games.You should also understand that the CBC ran the story about the tapes for a day and a half, every hour on the hour, on Radio 1 and NewsWorld. Whoever gave you the information that they didn't cover it was being far less than honest with you.Quote: And Ted, please explain to me how the CPC who have not formed a government, are corrupt? This party is not the reform, alliance, or previous PC party. They have not had the opportunity to be corrupt, but there is certainly no doubt that the Libs are.Releasing altered recordings is corrupt. Secretly taping people is corrupt. Protecting Cargill (a major campaign contributor) was corrupt. That's without being in power, imagine how bad they'd be if they were in...Quote has been trimmedSo everything the Liberals did is ok.

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Rev, only anyone with a limited intelligence would not understand that the Libs offered Grewal something. If there answer was no, why did they say that Martin would talk to him on the phone on the way to Regina? Why did Dosanjh not say no? Why did Murphy not say no? Why did Dosanjh have to get Murphy, just so neither could say no? Why did the LIbs continue to call Grewal and not say no? Why is there absolutely no indication of a no response in any of the transcripts? And further:

On The Rutherford Show in Calgary today, it was confirmed that the original tapes have been reviewed by one of the same experts who said that the copies were altered, and he said that the originals were unaltered. I wonder why this has not been healdline news across Canada, given that the altered copies was headline news.

In addition, the RCMP investigated the Air Canada incident and determined nothing illegal was done, and there was no impropriety. Anyone who has passed the security is free to do exactly what Grewal did, and apparently this happens all the time.

I again wonder why this was not headline news, given that the original Air Canada incident was headline news. Oh yes, I forgot. Liberal media always reports what appears to be Conservative errors, but never reports anything that supports the conservatives.

John Reynolds also said that he has reported Murphy, Dosanjh, and David Petereson to the Law society due to their improprieties in the Grewal and Stronach deals. He said he was encouraged to do this by lawyers from BC. Appears all this may no be over yet.
 

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