Don't Blame Ontario!!

After the recent Federal Election .. the news broadcasts made out as if Ontario were to blame for Voting the Liberals back in....

Look... we want our Government to represent all of Canada as well... we are no different than our neighbours to the west or to the east... the reason so many Liberals got voted in here is because there was no viable alternative...

Ontario pays just as much (in some cases more) taxes as other provinces... and Steven Harper's extreme views did not represent Ontario... Jack Laighton was too touchy feely with Unions that cause our Industries to move to the States or Mexico.. with their ridiculous demands for Higher Wages... we felt Jack Laighton would put us into debt forever...

Ontarions... wish our Federal Parliament would move to a more Central part of Canada and Out of Ontario... because quite Frankly we are sick of footing the bill for these greedy politicians.

If canada were to separate because of opposing political views... it would be sad... but hell I would be moving my derrier out west not east...

I don't blame anyone. At least its a minority goverment, and the Bloq got a majority in Québec. I'm happy.

Btw, Québécois pay the most taxes in all of north America.

Oh come on. If we didn't have Ontario to blame for everything that goes wrong in Canada, who would we have? You serve a purpose, and a very important one.



I AM kidding, by the way. I haven't actually heard anyone in person blame Ontario for voting in the Liberals, have only heard it in the media.

I've heard a few Albetans and one Saskatchewanian blame Ontario for the Liberal victory. I just point out that the Conservatives didn't grab so much of the vote in their alleged power-bases either.

This is the first time I've heard it too.

We out west talk about seperating, usually when we get the short end of the stick, which is alot. Seems it's OK to take out tax money but not OK to expect anything back. All we want is our fair share, nothing more, and definitely not all the politicians from Snottawa. You can keep them. We've got enough of our own gorging at the trough.

Is there a province in Canada that is not talking about separation?? I thought it was only in Quebec but what I read here is different?!

I want explanations? What province are you talking about bev?

Isengard, that would be BC. It just seems that all the benefits and perks stop at the Rocky Mountains.

I don't blame Ontario, it just happened to be the place where the election was decided. No matter who won, the loser was going to be bitter to Ontario voters in some parts of the country. Certainly conservatives where hoping for better, but 99 seats is definately a great accomplishment for the party that was just barely on its feet when the election was called.

In Alberta there is a lot of separatist sentiment as well as rural BC. I have heard many from these places express this sentiment.

Yup, we are going to take all our natural resources and split. Well that's the plan anyways.

Your seperatist movement doesnt have the same level of support as Québec Seperatist though. Have you ever elected a seperatist party in Alberta?

No, we are in BC, but we want to bring Alberta with us.

And NO seperatist party, it'll be just like the general strikes we have.

She doesn't live in Alberta, there is a separatist party in Alberta that is apparently gaining steam though.

Lots of these people are sore loser conservatives who are whining because they viewed the rejection of Harper as the rejection of the west. Most of these people had separatist sentiment anyway they just used it as an excuse.

Anyway I would be very surprised to see this go somewhere meaningful. There are not the same level cleavages in the west as in Quebec.

Crash,

This has zero to do with the Conservatives or any other political party. This idea has been talked about for 20+ years that I know of. So no whining over here.

That will never work.

Perhaps you should read my post more closely.

I said a "lot of these people are conservatives" if you deny that western separatism has been spearheaded by the right then you are fooling yourself.

Fruthermore I said they are using this election as an excuse to further their cause, not that it suddenly turned them to the "dark side".

Our seperatist movement has had 40-50% support from the population for the pass 30-40 years.

I would change my seperatist stance, if big changes we're made to Canada. I'm talking decentralisation. Give the province more power, more control. This is the only way, this country can stick together. With two different Nations, and disent between regions.

Crash,

This movement was started long before this last election, and mean a long long long time ago. And this last election did NOT bring up the separatist conversation. Not sure where you got that from.

If you were here you would know that.

Numure,

Agreed.

You are doing a very poor job of doing what I suggested, that is reading my posts. For the 3rd time...

I didn't claim that the separatist movement in the west started after this election. Simply that this election gained momentum to the cause. People who were soft separatists before this election have been turned into harder line separatists. Absolutely, that is a FACT they have used the results of this election to forward their cause. I talk to westeners every day, a relative of mine (a retarded one) is in fact a member of the Alberta separatist party.

Once, again most certainly western separation is being driven by the right. It was true 20 years ago and it is now.

I find a lot of arrgogance in these forums that someone who is not from your region can't possibly understand what is going on there. So much so that my posts are being rejected before people even read them.

Gee sorry about that Crash,

I guess the momentum hasn't reached BC yet. I'll get back to ya when it does.

So why don't we split it all, BC with Alberta, saskatchewan with Manitoba, Ontario with Québec, N-F N-B N-S and P-E-I together...

Oh yeah, both territories can become one!

So, is it ok for everybody? This country wasn't meant to stick together from the beginning anyway!!

So, who's with me?

That's the team spirit

Québec can do it on its own.

Nope Quebec get New Brunswick, its a pairs thing.

Depends on who you talk to i guess

"Western" separation is all BS anyway, the greater Vancouver area would never be part of such a scheme.

Why wouldn't we be? I know many many people who would love to seperate, and like me, they are all from Vancouver or surrounding areas.

As you are from Nova Scotia, how would you know? Got a friend or two out here?

I know a lot of people from BC and Alberta and Separatism won't fly. It does not have the support. If the separtists weren't so far to the right, it might stand a chance.

They are far to the right though, as far as Stephen Harper and more. Especially on social issues. Harper's neo-conservatism and refusal to rein in the religious right in his party caused him to get less than 50% of the popular vote in BC and Alberta in an election where the general population was pissed off at the federal Liberals. He lost ground compared to the combined Alliance/PC vote the election before.

If people are afraid to vote for Harper because he is too conservative how are you going to convince them to support a group that stands even further to the right and would likely wield even more power than our present federal government.

As far as when western separatism started...it's always been there. There have been some who wanted their own country and others who wanted to join the US for as long as there have been white people in the region. The modern version of the movement really took off after Trudeau's National Energy Program.

What I always wonder is if BC and Alberta did manage to separate, would they come crawling back when the oil money went away. I'll bet they would.

Harper lost our west and in alot of other places because of his hidden agenda that got leaked to the news. The Consevatives had plans to use the "notwithstanding" clause, as well as rewrite the constitution, as well as denying a woman's right for an abortion. Yeah everyone was ticked with the Liberals for all the lying and scamming that they got caught in.

I do find it ironic that you seem to be of the opinion that all of BC wanted Stephen Harper in. You can speak for yourself and/or your friends, but not me or my friends. But before this turns even more to the 'right', let's just keep our, as in yours and mine, opinions in discussion and not others.

Will seperation fly? Maybe maybe not, time will tell.

As of now, it doesnt have any support. Actually, last I checked, its support was at 10%. Not concrete enough.