#1Jun 28th, 2004
On another note, most of the religious right wingers on this forum have been seen jumping off a bridge
Also, The Bloc has sweeped Québec
Liberal Minority
On another note, most of the religious right wingers on this forum have been seen jumping off a bridge
Also, The Bloc has sweeped Québec
#2
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 28th, 2004
Best news I've had all day. If only BC would smarten up and realize what it is voting for, the Libs would have a majority. I will sleep tonight, knowing that the Conservative Party sank, if not like a rock at least like a deflated air mattress.
#3
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 28th, 2004
Not really... I was hoping for a smaller minority. The Bloc could of gotten alot more for Québec if that was the case.
#4
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 28th, 2004
Still, the main goal, at least for me, was not to have Harper as Prime Minister. At the moment, that's enough to keep me smilin'.
#5
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 28th, 2004
Me too Haggis. Me too. I'm also very happy that the conservatives aren't getting even close to as many seats as they had predicted.
Maybe that will wipe the smug smile off his face.
Maybe that will wipe the smug smile off his face.
#7
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 28th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Diamond Sun
I sincerely hope it does. It is gratifying to know that Canadians, at the last minute, realized they don't want what Harper had in mind. Well, except for BC, of course, and this still confuses the hell out of me. BC rants and raves against Gordon Campbell yet is ardently trying to federally elect a man who is the twin brother of Campbell. Very odd thinking, no sense in it at all.Maybe that will write the smug smile off his face.
#8
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 28th, 2004
Good old BC. We can never do anything easy out here. And the Okanagan is prime bible belt stockwell day praising, harper voting country, and until all those old fuddy duddy's pass away, and until we get some young blood voting, the right wing will continue to dominate. <sigh>
#9
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 28th, 2004
It can be surprisingly stressful to live in a community with a totally opposite ideology than your own, or at least that has been my experience over the years. It doesn't exactly prey on your mind, but it is annoying, especially at election time.
#10
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
I am so pleased with the outcome of this election. Hopefully this teaches Harper a little something about Canadians.
Now lets just hope Martin has the balls to keep us out of missile defence, and other US fiascos.
Now lets just hope Martin has the balls to keep us out of missile defence, and other US fiascos.
#11
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
Guess I am going to get myself in trouble here, but I to am very glad that Steven Harper is not our prime minister. But what if everyone else in Canada voted for him, does that mean I have to vote for him to? I understand what you are saying, but it does not change the way I vote.
Maybe people are ticked off at us because our vote actually would effect something this time. I am shocked myself that most of british columbia voted for the conservatives. Its got to be all that BC pot that waifs around, after all the green party visited my doorstep before the election wearing bergdorfs and I swear I could smell patchouli oil. Only in british columbia my friends. Still though I would never consider living anywhere else.
Maybe people are ticked off at us because our vote actually would effect something this time. I am shocked myself that most of british columbia voted for the conservatives. Its got to be all that BC pot that waifs around, after all the green party visited my doorstep before the election wearing bergdorfs and I swear I could smell patchouli oil. Only in british columbia my friends. Still though I would never consider living anywhere else.
#12
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
I think a lot of it, ironically, has to do with anti-Harper vote. A lot of people who ready to vote NDP a week ago were scared into voting for the Liberals. That didn't always get the Liberals enough votes to win seats, but it took enough away from the NDP to keep them from winning.
I don't just mean in BC. Lorne Nystrom lost his seat in Saskatchewan, for instance. The share of NDP seats is once again far lower than the percentage of their popular vote. The Cons and the Liberals, meantime, have more seats than their vote percentage would indicate.
I don't just mean in BC. Lorne Nystrom lost his seat in Saskatchewan, for instance. The share of NDP seats is once again far lower than the percentage of their popular vote. The Cons and the Liberals, meantime, have more seats than their vote percentage would indicate.
#13
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
You know rev, you raise an interesting point.
I wonder if Canada will ever see district redistribution-- gerrymandering.
As for Harper, well, he proved to be less than credible. Even if your politics were more conservative, he was a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.
I wonder if Canada will ever see district redistribution-- gerrymandering.
As for Harper, well, he proved to be less than credible. Even if your politics were more conservative, he was a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.
#14
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
I read it in the morning paper. The Liberals have come up short, but the Conservatives even shorter. Congratulations, you can all stop holding your breath.
What are the prospects now for a Liberal/Bloc Quebecois coalition government?
What are the prospects now for a Liberal/Bloc Quebecois coalition government?
#15
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
Impossible. The Liberals would never cooperate with the Bloc... They will try something with the NDP, but that could be so unstable. With the NDP, they have 1 vote more then needed for a majority vote. The NDP will most likely cooperate with them on issues they wish to see threw. And the Liberals, are much happier cooperating with the NDP, then the seperatist Bloc.
#16
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
The Liberals and NDP together makes, in my mind, almost the perfect party. I really like the sound of it. Anybody think it'll actually happen?
#17
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
I agree with you numure-- seems to me a lib/bq alliance is unlikely, though I suppose poltical expediency will make itself known at some point.
What is more interesting to me is that it seems the libs will be able to find their alliances on a as needed basis. The NDP, Cons, and even the BQ will, if grudgingly support the Libs on issues of self interest. I can't say I see any one or two parties risking bringing the govt down at this point. The parties are too regional.
What is more interesting to me is that it seems the libs will be able to find their alliances on a as needed basis. The NDP, Cons, and even the BQ will, if grudgingly support the Libs on issues of self interest. I can't say I see any one or two parties risking bringing the govt down at this point. The parties are too regional.
#18
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Haggis McBagpipe
I think it will-- but as a matter of political expediency, not philosophy. The Liberals and NDP together makes, in my mind, almost the perfect party. I really like the sound of it. Anybody think it'll actually happen?
Lots of bad blood stil there.
#19
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
Who are the NDP, where are they strong, what are their issues, and how many seats have they won? My newspaper article doesn't even register their existence.
Side note: can we get an option for a larger font size here?
Side note: can we get an option for a larger font size here?
Free Thinker
#20
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
It's sad voters were forced to decide between two almost equally dangerous evils! On one side we have the Liberals who are so corrupt there's nothing to laugh about, and on the other, we have right wing extremists like Harper and his MPs who would destroy much of what is left of Canada.
Truly a shame Canada won't see the right kind of change.
Truly a shame Canada won't see the right kind of change.
#21
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by American Voice
The NDP and the Bloc, are the left wing/Socialist parties of Canada. They got close to 30% of the votes, put together. The only real differences between both, is the Bloc prones decentralisation, and the NDP is centraliste. Also, the Bloc is seperatist.Who are the NDP, where are they strong, what are their issues, and how many seats have they won? My newspaper article doesn't even register their existence.
Side note: can we get an option for a larger font size here?
Their support... pretty much accross the country. On the provincial level, they we're in power in the west and in Ontario. They got seats this federal election, in the Atlantic, Ontario and a few in the west.
#22
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
Kinda sad how the Bloc Quebecois running in Quebec got more seats than the NDP when BQ ran in Quebec.
Liberal and NDP alliance will most likely happen, it has in the past and it most likely will occur now. If that alliance is thrown out then it is down to a vote where Martin will be thrown out like a piece of trash.
Think of it the CPC and BQ will most likely say NO. That is more than what the Liberals and NDP would have if they said YES to a Martin govt. If it was really down to the wire Adrian Clarkson can say who can govern the country since she has the power.
Liberal and NDP alliance has happened in the past, but the veto power of the Bloc and CPC will make bills hard to come by and the only way to get it easier if Layton and Martin team up.
Martin should realize that he thinks he's popular but he's not. Chretien was liked and that's why he had the majority 3 times in a row! Heck the CPC is so bad that Joe Clark was helping a Liberal in a riding.
Liberal and NDP alliance will most likely happen, it has in the past and it most likely will occur now. If that alliance is thrown out then it is down to a vote where Martin will be thrown out like a piece of trash.
Think of it the CPC and BQ will most likely say NO. That is more than what the Liberals and NDP would have if they said YES to a Martin govt. If it was really down to the wire Adrian Clarkson can say who can govern the country since she has the power.
Liberal and NDP alliance has happened in the past, but the veto power of the Bloc and CPC will make bills hard to come by and the only way to get it easier if Layton and Martin team up.
Martin should realize that he thinks he's popular but he's not. Chretien was liked and that's why he had the majority 3 times in a row! Heck the CPC is so bad that Joe Clark was helping a Liberal in a riding.
Free Thinker
#23
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by gnuman
They don't have enough seats to do anything even if they wanted to. Combined, the NDP and Liberals have 154 seats.. 1 shy of having that power.Liberal and NDP alliance has happened in the past, but the veto power of the Bloc and CPC will make bills hard to come by and the only way to get it easier if Layton and Martin team up.
The Bloc and the Conservatives have 153 seats combined (and 154 if that one former-conservative-now-independent joins up with them).
The Bloc Québecois will probably not be in any position to team up with the cons, they have completely different views.
#24
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004Quote: Originally Posted by Andem
The only thing the BQ and the Cons have in common, is decentralisation.Quote: Originally Posted by gnumanThey don't have enough seats to do anything even if they wanted to. Combined, the NDP and Liberals have 154 seats.. 1 shy of having that power.Liberal and NDP alliance has happened in the past, but the veto power of the Bloc and CPC will make bills hard to come by and the only way to get it easier if Layton and Martin team up.
The Bloc and the Conservatives have 153 seats combined (and 154 if that one former-conservative-now-independent joins up with them).
The Bloc Québecois will probably not be in any position to team up with the cons, they have completely different views.
#25
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
So, the NDP are federalists left of the Liberals? Do I have it? Are they embroiled in the scandal that has debased the Liberal Party? Are they clean? Could they be called the conscience of the Liberal Party?
NDP is an acronym for what, precisely?
Maybe Andem knows about this: the Free Democrats, in Germany. At one point, back in the 80's sometime, they were partners in a coalition with the SDP; when neither the SDP nor the CDP polled a clear majority. The FDP leader became the West German foreign minister.
NDP is an acronym for what, precisely?
Maybe Andem knows about this: the Free Democrats, in Germany. At one point, back in the 80's sometime, they were partners in a coalition with the SDP; when neither the SDP nor the CDP polled a clear majority. The FDP leader became the West German foreign minister.
#26
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
lol.. The NDP had nothing to do with the Liberals in the pass 10 years. The liberals had majority goverments for 3 straight terms under Chretien. And yes, the NDP is more to the left on the political compass then the Liberals. They are clean, and no, they cant be called the conscience of the Liberals, because they have nothing to do with them. No affiliation what so ever. Only agreements on certain issues... The Liberals are right wingers on economic issues, and left on social issues. Big difference with the NDP, and something that will pretty much keep them seperate for a very long time.
A United left party in Canada (somewhat like what the Cons did), would be the Bloc and the NDP fusioning together.
A United left party in Canada (somewhat like what the Cons did), would be the Bloc and the NDP fusioning together.
#27
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
And how likely is that, realistically?
I have heard several members here bemoan the fact of the deficit in the Liberal vote owing to the lack of more effective organization by Liberal Party loyalists in Vancouver. Is that true? Are they the swing vote?
I have heard several members here bemoan the fact of the deficit in the Liberal vote owing to the lack of more effective organization by Liberal Party loyalists in Vancouver. Is that true? Are they the swing vote?
#28
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
Possible, I don't know. I don't live in Vancouver.... I think the Greens and NDP got more votes then the Libs in BC though.
#29
Re: Liberal Minority
Jun 29th, 2004
British Columbians might not care that much about what the rest of canada votes, so I have heard, but they sure do care what happens in their own province. Gordon Campbell will never be re-elected in this province and I would bet my life on that. The man has body guards now.
My friends and I discussed today the fact that conservatives got so many votes here, because its not coming from the people born and raised here. The fact is the province is filling up with people retiring from the prairies and that is where their vote is coming from. I hope that does not mean that ralph kline might retire here.
My friends and I discussed today the fact that conservatives got so many votes here, because its not coming from the people born and raised here. The fact is the province is filling up with people retiring from the prairies and that is where their vote is coming from. I hope that does not mean that ralph kline might retire here.
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