Trudeau, meets with premiers to craft: The Pan Canadian Climate Agreement

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Trudeau, premiers meet in Ottawa today to craft climate deal

Canada's first ministers are finalizing the details of a national climate change strategy to be announced at a high-level meeting in Ottawa today, but Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall has made it clear he won't sign on to make it unanimous.

Sources familiar with the negotiations have confirmed the premiers and the prime minister will sell it as "an ambitious and achievable plan" to address climate change.

They will also stress that the deal will include enough flexibility to allow provincial and territorial governments to limit the impact carbon pricing will have on their economies.

The agreement is called the Pan-Canadian Framework on Clean Growth and Climate Change.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden addressed the group shortly after 10 a.m. ET to kick off today's meetings.

The final agreement will include a long list of already announced measures to battle climate change. They will includenew building codes to boost energy efficiency, more charging stations for electric cars, and expanding clean electricity sources and upgrading power grids.

Trudeau, premiers meet in Ottawa today to craft climate deal - Politics - CBC News
 
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Re: Trudeau, premiers meet in Ottawa today to craft 'Pan Canadian climate agreement'

Most of those priemiers and the PM have never seen a tax they don't like.
 
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IdRatherBeSkiing said:
So how much do you put on the voluntary contribution line on your tax form? If it is a 0, you are a hypocrite.
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Not at all.

This is about a mandatory contribution for the very reason that not enough people are making the effort.

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You're not really expecting an answer....huh?
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There must be a chew toy somewhere around here for you...
 
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Why Quebec (and Ontario) will get an unfair break on Trudeau’s carbon tax, while other provinces pay double

Consider it the curious incident of the dog that didn’t bark, federal-provincial edition.

In October, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced a new national carbon tax: the most significant federal intrusion into provincial jurisdiction in decades. And Quebec, that ever-vigilant guardian of provincial rights — one that’s never encountered an imposition from Ottawa it didn’t denounce as a grave threat to its right to self-determination — had nothing to say. Well, not exactly. Quebec Premier Phillipe Couillard actually called it a “positive” move.

Ottawa plans to invade a policy area that’s long been the exclusive domain of the provinces. With a new tax. And Quebec is okay with this? What in the name of maître chez nous is going on here?

The answer to this mystery reveals the inconsistencies, confusions and looming crisis at the heart of Canada’s national carbon tax plan.

Trudeau plans to impose a $10-per-tonne tax on carbon emissions starting in 2018, rising $10 yearly to $50 in 2022, on all provinces not pricing carbon at an equivalent rate. B.C. and Alberta will be exempt if their provincial carbon taxes rise to meet the federal rate.

The same goes for provinces operating cap-and-trade systems. Quebec is already a partner with California in a carbon-trading system called the Western Climate Initiative (WCI) that Ontario will join shortly. Nova Scotia plans to operate its own cap-and-trade plan.

Last summer, Couillard said he had no objections to a federal carbon tax “as long as it does not conflict with our carbon market.” He thus expects Ottawa to leave him alone when it comes to putting a price on carbon. But central to the federal plan is the notion that carbon prices must be consistent across the country. Large deviations between federally mandated tax-rate hikes and cap-and-trade permit prices will inevitably lead to serious economic problems — and political mayhem.

Currently the permit price for carbon emissions in Quebec under the WCI is around $16 per tonne, higher than the federal tax’s introductory level. By 2020, however, the minimum national carbon tax will have risen to $30 while the floor price for permits in Ontario and Quebec is projected at just $19 per tonne. That gap is expected to grow. By 2022, when the national carbon tax hits $50, the WCI permit price is estimated at below $24. People in Alberta and B.C. will thus be taxed twice as much as Ontarians and Quebecers. Differences that large will pose a major threat to constitutional harmony.

What explains this massive price difference? California Scheming.

To smooth over political objections to pricing carbon, California deliberately created a vast oversupply of emissions permits in its electricity sector, pushing down prices and leaving the state awash in excess permits until at least 2026. The opportunity to harvest this crop of cheap permits is what’s driving Quebec and Ontario’s participation in the WCI — and why these permit prices will be substantially below Trudeau’s carbon-tax minimums. Without access to California’s low-cost permits, Ontario’s own research shows its permit prices would rise to a stunning $157 per tonne in just two years, destroying any argument for cap and trade.

Cap and trade thus offers Quebec and Ontario an enormous competitive advantage over provinces subject to Trudeau’s mandatory carbon tax, namely B.C., Alberta, and perhaps Saskatchewan and Newfoundland. How’s that for a national plan?

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Why Quebec (and Ontario) will get an unfair break on Trudeau’s carbon tax, while other provinces pay double | Financial Post
 
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Mowich said:
To smooth over political objections to pricing carbon, California deliberately created a vast oversupply of emissions permits in its electricity sector, pushing down prices and leaving the state awash in excess permits until at least 2026. The opportunity to harvest this crop of cheap permits is what’s driving Quebec and Ontario’s participation in the WCI — and why these permit prices will be substantially below Trudeau’s carbon-tax minimums. Without access to California’s low-cost permits, Ontario’s own research shows its permit prices would rise to a stunning $157 per tonne in just two years, destroying any argument for cap and trade.
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Non of this sounds environmental. It is a money grab.
 
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You little jerk, Justin. Look south and see what this will do to Canadian competitiveness.. for an utterly fictional threat, one without an iota of scientific merit.

Like all Justin does, he's guided solely by the spectres of the New Age and Free Markets just as they are starting to tumble throughout the West. He's berefit of intellect and independent thought, apparently having inherited none of it from his father. So he's Maggie's son, flower child, and nothing more.

Ouster is looming for his government, whose incompetence, recklessness and credulity ensure he'll be out after one term. It seems likely that his government might break apart before that from the tensions that are caused by such hopeless, aimless agenda. Good riddance to the little fart.
 
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Ouster is looming for his government, whose incompetence, recklessness and credulity ensure he'll be out after one term. It seems likely that his government might break apart before that from the tensions that caused by such hopeless, aimless agenda. Good riddance to the little fart.
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Even more reason for the Conservatives to get their collective sh*t together and come up with a candidate who has some vision and the ability to lead the party in the next election. So far, I am not impressed by the current bunch, Coldstream. I'd be all for a draft Rona drive - if I knew what she had to say about where she would take the party.
 
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. So far, I am not impressed by the current bunch, Coldstream.
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Nor am I, Mowich. The Conservative Party has been a NeoCon organ for a long time, notably under Steven Harper. That offers no real difference from what the Liberals offer. I'm waiting for some honest economic nationalist, and a true social conservative (the NeoCons use that cynically to lock up a voter demographic, without any genuine allegiance to it). I think it'll come, either in the Conservative Party, or in some other vehicle.. but at this point.. looking at what's happening in the U.S. and Europe.. i view it as inevitable.
 
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Why Quebec (and Ontario) will get an unfair break on Trudeau’s carbon tax, while other provinces pay double

Consider it the curious incident of the dog that didn’t bark, federal-provincial edition.

In October, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced a new national carbon tax: the most significant federal intrusion into provincial jurisdiction in decades. And Quebec, that ever-vigilant guardian of provincial rights — one that’s never encountered an imposition from Ottawa it didn’t denounce as a grave threat to its right to self-determination — had nothing to say. Well, not exactly. Quebec Premier Phillipe Couillard actually called it a “positive” move.

Ottawa plans to invade a policy area that’s long been the exclusive domain of the provinces. With a new tax. And Quebec is okay with this? What in the name of maître chez nous is going on here?

The answer to this mystery reveals the inconsistencies, confusions and looming crisis at the heart of Canada’s national carbon tax plan.

Trudeau plans to impose a $10-per-tonne tax on carbon emissions starting in 2018, rising $10 yearly to $50 in 2022, on all provinces not pricing carbon at an equivalent rate. B.C. and Alberta will be exempt if their provincial carbon taxes rise to meet the federal rate.

The same goes for provinces operating cap-and-trade systems. Quebec is already a partner with California in a carbon-trading system called the Western Climate Initiative (WCI) that Ontario will join shortly. Nova Scotia plans to operate its own cap-and-trade plan.

Last summer, Couillard said he had no objections to a federal carbon tax “as long as it does not conflict with our carbon market.” He thus expects Ottawa to leave him alone when it comes to putting a price on carbon. But central to the federal plan is the notion that carbon prices must be consistent across the country. Large deviations between federally mandated tax-rate hikes and cap-and-trade permit prices will inevitably lead to serious economic problems — and political mayhem.

Currently the permit price for carbon emissions in Quebec under the WCI is around $16 per tonne, higher than the federal tax’s introductory level. By 2020, however, the minimum national carbon tax will have risen to $30 while the floor price for permits in Ontario and Quebec is projected at just $19 per tonne. That gap is expected to grow. By 2022, when the national carbon tax hits $50, the WCI permit price is estimated at below $24. People in Alberta and B.C. will thus be taxed twice as much as Ontarians and Quebecers. Differences that large will pose a major threat to constitutional harmony.

What explains this massive price difference? California Scheming.

To smooth over political objections to pricing carbon, California deliberately created a vast oversupply of emissions permits in its electricity sector, pushing down prices and leaving the state awash in excess permits until at least 2026. The opportunity to harvest this crop of cheap permits is what’s driving Quebec and Ontario’s participation in the WCI — and why these permit prices will be substantially below Trudeau’s carbon-tax minimums. Without access to California’s low-cost permits, Ontario’s own research shows its permit prices would rise to a stunning $157 per tonne in just two years, destroying any argument for cap and trade.

Cap and trade thus offers Quebec and Ontario an enormous competitive advantage over provinces subject to Trudeau’s mandatory carbon tax, namely B.C., Alberta, and perhaps Saskatchewan and Newfoundland. How’s that for a national plan?

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Why Quebec (and Ontario) will get an unfair break on Trudeau’s carbon tax, while other provinces pay double | Financial Post
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Because we did our homework and didn't pretend climate change doesn't exist.

Karma's a bitch, Brad.
 
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Climate change exists and has been happening ever since the rock hardened. Instead of pretending we can halt a natural cycle, we should be investing in how to survive in changed conditions. Nobody will have the means if government keeps stealing it for whatever reason government wants it all
 
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