Trudeau Was a Disaster for Canada


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Trudeau Was a Disaster for Canada
September 28th, 2011 at 12:08 pm DAVID FRUM | 51 Comments |
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On September 27th, I debated Lawrence Martin at the Museum of Civilization in Ottawa on the resolution that Pierre Trudeau was Canada’s most disastrous prime minister. The following is the text of my opening statement:


Under the strict rules of debate, my opponent can win if he proves that Trudeau was something less than a disaster for Canada: a misfortune or even merely a disappointment. I hope you will hold him – and Trudeau – to a higher standard. I hope you will require him to prove that Pierre Trudeau was affirmatively a good thing for Canada, actually a successful prime minister.

If so, he cannot possibly win.

My answer then, which I’ll repeat again tonight, was that on the contrary, Pierre Trudeau did more than almost anyone in Canada to strain and break national unity. Through his own tactlessness and arrogance, he consistently aggravated the problem. In order to justify his own mishandling of the national unity issue, Trudeau in his retirement concocted a ridiculous story that separatism had been defeated by him in 1980 – shrugging off the inconvenient fact that separatism raged for another two decades, that a second referendum in 1995 proved even closer than the first – and that in the end separatism was quelled not by Trudeau-style constitutional amendments but by economic and demographic change inside Quebec itself. If Pierre Trudeau had spent his entire life as an international playboy – instead of just the first half of it – the story would have ended in almost exactly the same way, except very possibly … sooner.

Debating this resolution in Toronto against Professor John English, I was very struck that my opponent readily conceded that Pierre Trudeau was a very poor manager of the Canadian economy. Professor English argued more strenuously that Trudeau’s foreign policy record was not as bad as it looks. I’ll take up that issue later.

Professor English hung everything on Pierre Trudeau’s alleged services to national unity. He described Pierre Trudeau as a very flawed man who also happened to be the savior of his country.

Canada today is a very successful country. It has suffered less from the global economic crisis than any other major economy.

So Canadians may be tempted to be philosophical about disasters in their own past. Hasn’t all come out right in the end? But I want to stress: Canada’s achievement overcoming Trudeau’s disastrous legacy should not inure Canadians to how disastrous that legacy was.

Three subsequent important prime ministers – Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien and Stephen Harper – invested their energies cleaning up the wreckage left by Pierre Trudeau. The work has taken almost 30 years. Finally and at long last, nobody speculates any more about Canada defaulting on its debt, or splitting apart, or being isolated from all its major allies.

Yet through most of the adult lives of most people in this room, people in Canada and outside Canada did worry about those things.

And as you enjoy the peace, stability and comparative prosperity of Canada in the 2010s just consider – this is how Canadians felt in the middle 1960s. Now imagine a political leader coming along and out of ignorance and arrogance despoiling all this success. Not because the leader faced some overwhelming crisis where it was hard to see the right answer. But utterly unnecessarily. Out of a clear blue sky. Like a malicious child on the beach stomping on the sand castle somebody else had worked all morning to build.

That was the political record of Pierre Trudeau.

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Pierre Trudeau took office at a moment when commodity prices were rising worldwide. Good policymakers recognize that commodity prices fall as well as rise. Yet between 1969 and 1979 – through two majority governments and one minority – Trudeau tripled federal spending.

In 1981-82, Canada plunged into recession, the worst since World War II. Trudeau’s already big deficits exploded to a point that Canada’s lenders worried about default.

Trudeau’s Conservative successor Brian Mulroney balanced Canada’s operating budget after 1984. But to squeeze out Trudeau-era inflation, the Bank of Canada had raised real interest rates very high. Mulroney could not keep up with the debt payments. The debt compounded, the deficits grew, the Bank hiked rates again – and Canada toppled into an even worse recession in 1992. Trudeau’s next successors, Liberals this time, squeezed even tighter, raising taxes, and leaving Canadians through the 1990s working harder and harder with no real increase in their standard of living.

Do Canadians understand how many of their difficulties of the 1990s originated in the 1970s? They should.

To repay Trudeau’s debt, federal governments reduced transfers to provinces. Provinces restrained spending. And these restraints had real consequences for real people: more months in pain for heart patients, more months of immobility for patients awaiting hip replacements.

If Canada’s health system delivers better results today than 15 years ago, it’s not because it operates more efficiently. Canada’s health system delivers better results because the reduction of Trudeau’s debt burden has freed more funds for healthcare spending.

Pierre Trudeau was a spending fool. He believed in a state-led economy, and the longer he lasted in office, the more statist he became. The Foreign Investment Review Agency was succeeded by Petro-Canada. Petro-Canada was succeeded by wage and price controls. Wage and price controls were succeeded by the single worst economic decision of Canada’s 20th century: the National Energy Program.

The NEP tried to fix two different prices of oil, one inside Canada, one outside. The NEP expropriated foreign oil interests without compensation. The NEP sought to shoulder aside the historic role of the provinces as the owner and manager of natural resources.

Most other Western countries redirected themselves toward more fiscal restraint after 1979. Counting on abundant revenues from oil, the Trudeau government kept spending. Other Western governments began to worry more about attracting international investment. Canada repelled investors with arbitrary confiscations. Other Western governments recovered from the stagflation of the 1970s by turning toward freer markets. Under the National Energy Policy, Canada was up-regulating as the US, Britain, and West Germany deregulated. All of these mistakes together contributed to the extreme severity of the 1982 recession. Every one of them was Pierre Trudeau’s fault.

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Pierre Trudeau had little taste for the alliances and relationships he inherited in 1968. His spending spree did not include the military. He cut air and naval capabilities, pulled troops home from Europe, and embarked on morale-destroying reorganizations of the military services. In 1968, Canada was a serious second-tier non-nuclear military power. By 1984, Canada had lost its war-fighting capability: a loss made vivid when Canada had to opt out of ground combat operations in the first Gulf War of 1990-91.

Something more was going on here than a left-of-center preference for butter over guns. Throughout his life – now better known than ever thanks to John English – Pierre Trudeau showed remarkable indifference to the struggle against totalitarianism that defined the geopolitics of the 20th century.

Indifference may be too polite a word.

Pierre Trudeau opted not to serve in World War II, although of age and in good health. If not pro-Nazi, he was certainly anti-British. As a young student, we learn from John English’s biography, he wrote a play heavily seasoned with anti-semitic themes, and he opposed the entry of Jewish refugees into Canada.

After the war, Trudeau traveled to Josef Stalin’s Soviet Union to participate in regime-sponsored propaganda activities. He wrote in praise of Mao’s murderous regime in China. Trudeau lavishly admired Fidel Castro, Julius Nyere, and other Third World dictators. The Soviet dissident Andrei Amalrik scathingly recalled Trudeau’s 1971 prime ministerial visit: Trudeau visited the Siberian city of Norilsk and lamented that Canada had never succeeded in building so large a city so far north – unaware, or unconcerned, that Norilsk had been built by slave labor.

It’s telling I think that Trudeau came to the edge of endorsing the communist coup against Solidarity in Poland in December 1981. Hours after the coup, Pierre Trudeau said: “If martial law is a way to avoid civil war and Soviet intervention, then I cannot say it is all bad.“ He added “Hopefully the military regime will be able to keep Solidarity from excessive demands.”

Let that disgusting remark be remembered forever. The man who began his career despising Churchill ended by shrugging off Lech Walesa.

Yet it was upon the Canadian nation that Trudeau inflicted his greatest harm.

**

When Pierre Trudeau was elected prime minister in 1968, Canada faced a small but militant separatist challenge in Quebec. In 1970, that challenge erupted in terrorist violence: two kidnappings and a murder of one of the kidnapped hostages, Quebec cabinet minister Pierre Laporte.

Trudeau responded with overwhelming force, declaring martial law in Quebec, arresting dozens of people almost none of whom had any remote connection to the terrorist outrages. The arrests radicalized them, transforming many from cultural nationalists into outright independentists. As he did throughout his career, Trudeau polarized the situation – multiplying enemies for himself and unfortunately also for Canada.

At the same time, Trudeau lavished economic benefits on Quebec at the expense of English-speaking Canada. Unsurprisingly, English-speaking Canada resented this favoritism – with the result that Trudeau polarized English Canadian politics too.In 1968, Trudeau’s Liberals won 27 seats west of Ontario. In 1980, they won 2. I’m always glad to see the Liberals lose a seat. But a political system in which each of Canada’s two main parties piles up huge super-majorities in one region of the country – while being blanked out of another – is not healthy.

Trudeau’s provocative policies failed to achieve their stated goals. They failed to prevent the election of a separatist government in Quebec in 1976, eight years after Trudeau started “saving the country.” They failed to prevent a referendum in 1980, 12 years after Trudeau started “saving the country.”

To win his referendum, Trudeau promised Quebec constitutional changes to satisfy Quebec nationalism. Instead, he delivered a package of constitutional changes that tilted in exactly the opposite direction. The government of Quebec refused to ratify the new constitutional arrangement, opening a renewed opportunity to separatists and bequeathing a nightmare political problem to Trudeau’s successors.

For the next 15 years, Trudeau’s successors had to grapple with the consequences of Trudeau’s constitutional bad faith.

Aggravating their difficulties was Trudeau’s other legacy: his disastrous debt. In the early 1990s, Canada looked like an over-mortgaged property. Many Quebeckers – who might have wished to remain inside an economically successful Canada – saw in separatism an inviting opportunity to escape a burden and start fresh.

It’s not a coincidence that separatism truly ebbed only as the debt burden was overcome – and as quitting Canada, not staying, began to look like the losing economic proposition.

Defenders of Trudeau’s disastrous governance habitually rally around one great accomplishment: the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Well, Herbert Hoover had some excellent wilderness conservation policies, but we don’t excuse the Great Depression on that account. Would it really have been so impossible to achieve a Charter of Rights without plunging Canada into two recessions, without wrecking the national finances, without triggering two referendums, without nationalizing the oil industry, without driving not only Quebec but also Alberta to the verge of separation.

To me, one story will always sum up Pierre Trudeau.

1979. Trudeau had lost that year’s election. His career seemed finished. Reporters awaited in the driveway of 24 Sussex Drive as he stepped into his gull-winged vintage Mercedes to speed away into history.

One shouted: “Mr. Prime Minister – any regrets?”

Pierre Trudeau pondered. He remembered something that Richard Nixon had said after losing the California governor’s race in 1962 and revised Nixon’s words to his own very different purpose. “Yes,” he said. “I regret I won’t have you to kick around any more.”

It’s long past time that Canadians in turn resolved: no longer to be posthumously kicked by this bad man and disastrous prime minister.
 
Walter
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Nothing new here.
 
gerryh
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#3
Saw "David Frum" and scrolled straight to the bottom. Another right wing drone spouting the party line.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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#4
Still obsessed? He's gone now....
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
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#5
Ha ha! As if Mulroney wasn't the wost PM ever.
 
china
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Nothing new here.

Glad you say it .
 
Kreskin
#7
The country is looking pretty bad, eh? Damn Trudeau creating this mess.
 
china
Conservative
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#8
Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

The country is looking pretty bad, eh? Damn Trudeau creating this mess.


Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien and Stephen Harper – invested their energies cleaning up the wreckage left by Pierre Trudeau. The work has taken almost 30 years.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien and Stephen Harper – invested their energies cleaning up the wreckage left by Pierre Trudeau. The work has taken almost 30 years.

Brian made it worse, Chretien fixed Mulroney's mess and Harpo made it worse. You spent too much time in China.
 
china
Conservative
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Brian made it worse, Chretien fixed Mulroney's mess and Harpo made it worse. You spent too much time in China.

Have arrived in Canada 4 years before this bastard was elected .Lived in BC and the West ,was very
prosperous before he became PM .
Yes , even though I've spend more time in china than he had , I've never had a chance to chat with Chairman Mao as he has ( what a commie)(smile).
 
wulfie68
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Brian made it worse, Chretien fixed Mulroney's mess and Harpo made it worse. You spent too much time in China.

You spend too much time high.

Mulroney brought in the free trade agreements and GST that allowed Chretien and Martin to eliminate the deficit. Yes, many of us (and I include myself in the group) wish he would have acted sooner and more directly, and not devoted so much energy to trying to get Quebec's approval for a solution to the constitutional mess Trudeau created, but in the end, his actions bore fruit.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien and Stephen Harper – invested their energies cleaning up the wreckage left by Pierre Trudeau. The work has taken almost 30 years.

Except the only difference they collectively made is implementing and collecting the GST. The rest of what you see was planted before them.
 
taxslave
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Ha ha! As if Mulroney wasn't the wost PM ever.

No trudeau has that sewn up. The only possibility of anyone ever taking that position away from him is if just-in somehow becomes PM.

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Brian made it worse, Chretien fixed Mulroney's mess and Harpo made it worse. You spent too much time in China.

You got that backwards.
 
Kreskin
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Turn those frowns upside down.

I don't think we've had many bad Prime Ministers. There really isn't much wrong.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Turn those frowns upside down.

I don't think we've had many bad Prime Ministers. There really isn't much wrong.

Mostly just trudeau and creten.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Saw "David Frum" and scrolled straight to the bottom. Another right wing drone spouting the party line.

Another right wing drone who just so happens to be right.
 
Nuggler
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''
  • Trudeau Was a Disaster for Canada''


What was your first clue you dumfukk
 
Janice61
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Trudeau and his Charter of stupidy...

I meant stupidty...
 
Liberalman
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David Frum has the unique ability to talk out of his A$$

Former Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau did the most important thing for Canada which is he brought back Canadian identity to all Canadians.

America at that time was taking more control over Canadian culture and if nothing was done about it Canada would have been the newest American state and Trudeau saved us all from that fate.

Another former Canadian Prime Minister came out with a critical statement for Canadian identity which was the words uttered by Paul Martin ‘America is our neighbour America is not our country.”

Don’t get me wrong I like Americans and respect their way of life but I am a Canadian and this is my country and I wish our Canadian Conservative Prime Minister would respect that fact that Canada comes first. We have our problems and issues but as a people we can solve it by coming together as English, French, Aboriginal and Multi-cultured Canadians.

David Frum is living in America and loves the American way of life and forgot what Canada stands for and that’s his choice.
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CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

David Frum has the unique ability to talk out of his A$$

And yet he still manages to make his case and leave his opponents stuttering.
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Former Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau did the most important thing for Canada which is he brought back Canadian identity to all Canadians.

What exactly is that?
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America at that time was taking more control over Canadian culture and if nothing was done about it Canada would have been the newest American state and Trudeau saved us all from that fate.

Really? He did did he?
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David Frum is living in America and loves the American way of life and forgot what Canada stands for and that’s his choice.

And what does Canada stand for?
 
SLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

David Frum has the unique ability to talk out of his A$$



Oh, it's not that unique now, is it? Don't be so modest! It really doesn't suit you.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

David Frum has the unique ability to talk out of his A$$

Former Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau did the most important thing for Canada which is he brought back Canadian identity to all Canadians.

America at that time was taking more control over Canadian culture and if nothing was done about it Canada would have been the newest American state and Trudeau saved us all from that fate.

Another former Canadian Prime Minister came out with a critical statement for Canadian identity which was the words uttered by Paul Martin ‘America is our neighbour America is not our country.”

Don’t get me wrong I like Americans and respect their way of life but I am a Canadian and this is my country and I wish our Canadian Conservative Prime Minister would respect that fact that Canada comes first. We have our problems and issues but as a people we can solve it by coming together as English, French, Aboriginal and Multi-cultured Canadians.

David Frum is living in America and loves the American way of life and forgot what Canada stands for and that’s his choice.



David Frum is held in the highest regards by the liberal Party of Canada as evidenced by the implicit support that the Libs have expressed on Frum's analysis of PET.

I can appreciate that this realistic info on Trudeau is nothing short of disappointing for you, but if I may make a recommendation, you would be wise to accept these facts and join the rest of us here in the real world

 
Liberalman
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post



David Frum is held in the highest regards by the liberal Party of Canada as evidenced by the implicit support that the Libs have expressed on Frum's analysis of PET.

I can appreciate that this realistic info on Trudeau is nothing short of disappointing for you, but if I may make a recommendation, you would be wise to accept these facts and join the rest of us here in the real world



Oh Captain My Captain your world or the real world?
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

David Frum has the unique ability to talk out of his A$$

Former Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau did the most important thing for Canada which is he brought back Canadian identity to all Canadians.

America at that time was taking more control over Canadian culture and if nothing was done about it Canada would have been the newest American state and Trudeau saved us all from that fate.

Another former Canadian Prime Minister came out with a critical statement for Canadian identity which was the words uttered by Paul Martin ‘America is our neighbour America is not our country.”

Don’t get me wrong I like Americans and respect their way of life but I am a Canadian and this is my country and I wish our Canadian Conservative Prime Minister would respect that fact that Canada comes first. We have our problems and issues but as a people we can solve it by coming together as English, French, Aboriginal and Multi-cultured Canadians.

David Frum is living in America and loves the American way of life and forgot what Canada stands for and that’s his choice.
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David Frum is a notorious internationalist bull****ter. Whatever he recommends should be avoided at any cost if necessary. There are far to many dual and triple passport holders in Ottawa and Canada for that matter. It is hard to established their loyalties.

 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

Oh Captain My Captain your world or the real world?


Do not rue the day here Liberalman... Again, I know that this realization is difficult, but don't interpret this as a complete abandonment of everything related to PET... Sure, he created far more damage than he did any real benefit, but that's not to say that he had no redeeming qualities.

For starters, I understand that he was a very sharp dresser in addition to the fact that he was a passable academic... maybe it's things like these that you should found your appreciation of the man.

With time, you'll generate a new found appreciation, but all I'm really saying here is to not set the bar too high with respect to PET. That doesn't mean he wasn't a reasonably average man - hardly!..

He just wasn't cut from the same cloth of people that are considered great
 
Liberalman
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Do not rue the day here Liberalman... Again, I know that this realization is difficult, but don't interpret this as a complete abandonment of everything related to PET... Sure, he created far more damage than he did any real benefit, but that's not to say that he had no redeeming qualities.

For starters, I understand that he was a very sharp dresser in addition to the fact that he was a passable academic... maybe it's things like these that you should found your appreciation of the man.

With time, you'll generate a new found appreciation, but all I'm really saying here is to not set the bar too high with respect to PET. That doesn't mean he wasn't a reasonably average man - hardly!..

He just wasn't cut from the same cloth of people that are considered great

For the existence for a greater Canada PET was the right leader to bring this country from behind the shadows of America and that is what makes him great and an important leader it's just too bad that the federal Conservatives is trying to erase his accomplishments.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

For the existence for a greater Canada PET was the right leader to bring this country from behind the shadows of America and that is what makes him great and an important leader it's just too bad that the federal Conservatives is trying to erase his accomplishments.




It pains me to keep throwing a dash of cold water onto your fantasy here Liberalman.. As everyone here at CC knows, I hold a neutral opinion of PET.. I am simply applying the most objective of judgements of the man without any prejudice or reservations.... This is why you can trust my recommendations and analyses.

Regrettably, those comments you posted about his accomplishments are simply untrue. Canada never developed an identity until PET was thrown out of office... .You see; it was the actions of the voting public that galvanized and truly defined the strong reputation and identity that we enjoy today.
 
china
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post



Quote:

Canada never developed an identity until PET was thrown out of office... .You see; it was the actions of the voting public that galvanized and truly defined the strong reputation and identity that we enjoy today.

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I respect this unbiased comment cp .
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#29
Thank you... I pride myself on my complete objectivity
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Ha ha! As if Mulroney wasn't the wost PM ever.

Pretty much a dead heat there I think- both over whelmed with their own sense of self importance.
 

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