Scientists stage mock funeral to protest cuts to research

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Scientists stage mock funeral to protest cuts to research


Scientists from across the country staged a mock funeral on Parliament Hill Tuesday to mark what they called "the death of evidence," protesting government funding cuts to basic research.

Carrying signs accusing the Harper government of a "war on knowledge," an estimated 2,000 scientists and their supporters walked through the streets of the capital behind a black casket carrying the "body of evidence."

"We are at a critical point in Canadian history," said organizer Katie Gibbs, a PhD student at the University of Ottawa. "If we don't stand up for science, nobody will."

"No science, no evidence, no truth, no democracy," they chanted as tourists and onlookers took photos of the walk, which ended on the steps at Parliament Hill.

"Between the sweeping cuts to federal science programs, the legislation changes that we saw in (the omnibus budget) Bill C-38, and the muzzling of scientists, the injuries to evidence have just been overwhelming," Gibbs told the cheering crowd.

Citing cuts to research programs in Environment Canada, Fisheries and Oceans Canada, the National Research Council of Canada, Statistics Canada and elsewhere, the mock eulogies focused mainly on cuts to environmental research that they said would "draw an iron curtain around" the evidence of climate change.

Many pointed specifically to the decision by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans to stop funding the Experimental Lakes Area next April. The ELA is a celebrated federal research facility in northwestern Ontario that the protesters claim was closed partly due to its mandate to study the long-term effects of oilsands development on freshwater systems.

One speaker applauded the government's decision to increase support for applied research, which connects scientists with industry to ensure innovation is marketable. However, he emphasized the funding "cannot be at the expense of fundamental scientific research which actually drives applied science."

Minister of State for Science and Technology Gary Goodyear, in an emailed statement, said that the government's "investments are enabling Canadian scientists in universities, colleges, businesses and other organizations to help secure Canada's prosperity today and into the future."

The statement included examples of funding the government says will connect university scientists with industry to support innovation, such as $105 million over two years to support forestry innovation and market development and $37 million annually starting in 2012-13 to the granting councils to enhance their support for industry-academic research partnerships.

However, Linda Kimpe, a lab manager at the University of Ottawa who, like many protesters, was dressed in a white lab coat, told Postmedia News that university-led research cannot conduct the decades-long monitoring necessary to track long-term change.

Kimpe said taxpayers "deserve to know" what government scientists are learning so they can understand the government's policy decisions.

"How can we ever complain if we don't find out the information ourselves and actually be told the information from government scientists?" she asked. "If we don't have the knowledge, we can't make the decisions."

According to the Organization for Economic Development's most recent statistics, Canada is in the middle of the pack for government spending on research and development. In 2010, industry and government combined to spend 1.8 per cent of the country's GDP on research and development, a steady decrease from 2004 when spending was at 2.07 per cent.

In 2008, Canada ranked 21st out of 28 OECD countries based on the number of scientific researchers employed by government. Six per cent of Canada's researchers are employed by the government, as opposed to 16 per cent in Germany, 25 per cent in Hungary and 3.5 per cent in the United Kingdom. While other countries have provided numbers for 2009-2011, Canada only has numbers up to 2008.

Jules Blais, professor of biology at the University of Ottawa, said he was encouraged by the turnout on Parliament Hill. "I think what this shows is a turning point — that Canadian scientists are no longer going to stand quietly by and let the government basically destroy our ability to provide and collect evidence."
 

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Anyone got a rational explanation why all these scientists must be paid by the taxpayer.How much research is ground breaking and how much is duplicating what others are doing? Seems like they are more concerned about their job security and solid gold pensions than the science.
 

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Whoever came up with the 'body of evidence' idea is a frickin genius.
 

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Oh, those easterners love their make work projects.
Their profession is,,,asking for money!!!
I wonder if the eastern universities have a degree program on how to beg or ask for money from Governments??
 

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I'm all for reducing government funding for the sciences. That said, muzzling federal scientists is a whole other issue.
 

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Oh, those easterners love their make work projects.
Their profession is,,,asking for money!!!
I wonder if the eastern universities have a degree program on how to beg or ask for money from Governments??

Typical of a deadhead's response. These scientists came from all over Canada. I don't know whether Andrew Weaver was there but he has had much to say in a similar vein. You could not get more "Eastern" than that. U Vic.
 

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Anyone got a rational explanation why all these scientists must be paid by the taxpayer.How much research is ground breaking and how much is duplicating what others are doing? Seems like they are more concerned about their job security and solid gold pensions than the science.

Because science is a public good. We don't know what it will be useful for, but in 10 years time, the government is going to be taxing it. Also, if it cannot be duplicated, it is not science, so of course people need to be paid to duplicate results.

The problem the Conservatives have is that they slashed a bunch of high profile scientific programs in a very ham-handed manner. When they first came to power, they had increased funding for research by a fairly high amount which should have given them a lot of credit. Then they neutered Statscan, sabotaged global environmental efforts, and in general did what they could to discredit science that clashed with their politics.

I recall a time when people were concerned about the brain drain, too.
 

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I recall a time when people were concerned about the brain drain, too.

I remember reading a study years ago comparing education policy in various developing countries and the brain drain. it had shown that in those countries the government that invested more on universal compulsory education suffered less from the brain drain that those governments that invested more in post-compulsory education. In other words, if you want to keep your knowledge investment in the country, you're best bet is to increase fudning for compulsory education, leaving post-compulsory to the students to pay for themselves.

Sure Canada is not a developing country, but I'd imagine the same idea applies.
 

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Because science is a public good. We don't know what it will be useful for, but in 10 years time, the government is going to be taxing it. Also, if it cannot be duplicated, it is not science, so of course people need to be paid to duplicate results.

The problem the Conservatives have is that they slashed a bunch of high profile scientific programs in a very ham-handed manner. When they first came to power, they had increased funding for research by a fairly high amount which should have given them a lot of credit. Then they neutered Statscan, sabotaged global environmental efforts, and in general did what they could to discredit science that clashed with their politics.

I recall a time when people were concerned about the brain drain, too.
Yeah. Perhaps next on their list is burning/banning books.
 

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All those universities have tenured professors - shouldn't they have done all that research? I mean, why duplicate the effort?
 

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One speaker applauded the government's decision to increase support for applied research, which connects scientists with industry to ensure innovation is marketable. However, he emphasized the funding "cannot be at the expense of fundamental scientific research which actually drives applied science."
So true. Our doctors rely on fundamental scientific research to improve the care and treatment of patients. If that chain of knowledge is broken we all lose. Most scientists in the field of advanced medicine work for practically nothing compared to doctors, yet their work is so important.
 

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I remember reading a study years ago comparing education policy in various developing countries and the brain drain. it had shown that in those countries the government that invested more on universal compulsory education suffered less from the brain drain that those governments that invested more in post-compulsory education. In other words, if you want to keep your knowledge investment in the country, you're best bet is to increase fudning for compulsory education, leaving post-compulsory to the students to pay for themselves.

Educating more scientists is meaningless if there are no jobs for the scientists once they graduate. Simply producing more PhD's will not mean more scientists stay employed in the country in which they received their education. Currently, it's very difficult in some fields to get work. Biology, Chemisty, there aren't as many jobs out there as there used to be. Some PhD's are spending years-five and seven years in some labs, when it should only be about two or three- working on post-docs, paid less than I am in fact with my B.Sc., while they paid a huge sum of money to educate themselves.

Some fields, like physics and medicine seem to be pretty safe right now. But if I had a kid, I would want them to know how difficult the job market is right now in the knowledge based economy. It's not pretty at all.
 

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Anyone got a rational explanation why all these scientists must be paid by the taxpayer.How much research is ground breaking and how much is duplicating what others are doing?
Because, as others who understand science have told you, science is a public good, it's responsible for a large part of your quality of life, there's no way to predict what will be discovered and what technology it'll lead to, and replication is crucial to confirming results. The computer you're using, and the network it's connected to, and the power distribution system it relies on, and every electrical and electronic device in your home, for instance, are the fruits of basic scientific work done between about 1830 and 1930 and nobody at the time foresaw anything like any of the current applications that we all take for granted now. There is no progress without science.
 

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Science should not be funded by taxpayer dollars.. Simple as that. Might as well fund religeons as well. These idiots should get a real job and stop wasting my money. Want to study bacteria? Go work for Kreaft foods,, Want to study arthritis and other ailments? Go work for Bayer. These scumbags should find thier own coffins and have a rest.
 

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Science should not be funded by taxpayer dollars.. Simple as that. Might as well fund religeons as well. These idiots should get a real job and stop wasting my money. Want to study bacteria? Go work for Kreaft foods,, Want to study arthritis and other ailments? Go work for Bayer. These scumbags should find thier own coffins and have a rest.

So you think that a corporation will gladly pay for fundamental research that doesn't affect their products? I'll have a pound of whatever you're smoking! I do work for a drug company and I can tell you that they will in most cases only fund research that applies to some project in their pipeline. Maybe discovery of new drug targets, or antigens will be funded by academic partners in government agencies/universities. But they won't be funding trials to examine the impacts on public health of say a policy change by the government.
 

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And NOR SHOULD THEY!!! These leftist radicals should not be taking my tax dollars to study the effects of the sun on water.. simly to burn through their budgets. Some of these "Science Projects" that are fully funded through the Federal Gov are simply laughable. I amd VERY happy that the Feds are trimming the wings of these wing-nuts. This policy change is great for Canadians, we dont need a 3Million dollar study to prove that.... Or lets make it a 2 year study at 10 million dollars. Good for Harper for cleaning this mess up.

And yes, I worked with the NRC and I can tell you how many millions of dollars we wasted simply to ensure the money was coming in the next year,

So you think that a corporation will gladly pay for fundamental research that doesn't affect their products? I'll have a pound of whatever you're smoking! I do work for a drug company and I can tell you that they will in most cases only fund research that applies to some project in their pipeline. Maybe discovery of new drug targets, or antigens will be funded by academic partners in government agencies/universities. But they won't be funding trials to examine the impacts on public health of say a policy change by the government.