Can-Am relationship ???

taxslave

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 25, 2008
36,362
4,336
113
Vancouver Island

Ocean Breeze

Hall of Fame Member
Jun 5, 2005
18,361
60
48
Obama has an election coming up. He has to appeal to the voters at home first. And protectionism sells in the US as long as it is protecting their perceived interests.

good point.& or course true. It kinda begs the question of when isn't the empire in the throws of one election or another. ??
 

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
22,830
7,779
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
Obama has an election coming up. He has to appeal to the voters at home first. And protectionism sells in the US as long as it is protecting their perceived interests.


No different that when Obama was first running for the office he currently holds,
and was using Canada as a scapegoat to gain votes, threatening to 'renegotiate'
the NAFTA agreement further to the U.S. advantage....and Harper shut him down
pretty quickly at that point. That might explain their relationship now with Harper
being treated like he is by Obama. Anyway, it was back on April 22nd, 2008.

“We are a secure, stable (energy) supplier. That is of critical importance to the
future of the United States,” Mr. Harper told reporters at the end of the North
American leaders’ summit known as the Three Amigos. “If we have to
look at this kind of an option, I think, quite frankly, we’d be in an even
stronger position now than we were 20 years ago, and we’ll be in
a stronger position in the future.”

(From: http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/73194-harper-nafta.html)

Obama happens to not just be a political upstart at this point. Harper must
walk (& talk) a bit differently this time, by publicly meeting with the other
power brokers in the U.S. in what appears to be privite(-ish) meetings
reguarding this issue.
 

The Old Medic

Council Member
May 16, 2010
1,330
2
38
The World
Obama is catering to the ultra-environmentalists, on the far fringe of the Democratic Party. He is doing ANYTHING to try to hold his base together, in an effort to not become another Jimmy Carter. he STILL does not realize that it is the independents that got him elected, and it is the Independents that are going to throw his sorry ass back into the wilderness.

And, he will retire with about 10-15 million is assets, all but about 1 million gained AFTER HE TOOK OFFICE.
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
192
63
Nakusp, BC
Obama is catering to the ultra-environmentalists, on the far fringe of the Democratic Party. He is doing ANYTHING to try to hold his base together, in an effort to not become another Jimmy Carter. he STILL does not realize that it is the independents that got him elected, and it is the Independents that are going to throw his sorry ass back into the wilderness.

And, he will retire with about 10-15 million is assets, all but about 1 million gained AFTER HE TOOK OFFICE.
And which of the republican limp dicks do you think they will replace him with? The repubs can spit and fume all they want, but they don't have a hope in hell of beating Obama out of office with this brain dead lineup.
 

gerryh

Time Out
Nov 21, 2004
25,756
295
83
Anti-Canadian moves just U.S. posturing, Harper says


Canada wants to join Trans Pacific Partnership free-trade agreement


Anti-Canadian moves just U.S. posturing, Harper says - Politics - CBC News

and after all that Harper has done to support Obama / the empire.


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Doesn't matter who's in power south of the 49th, Canada will always get the shaft. The only time they give a crap about Canada is when they can get something from us.
 

wulfie68

Council Member
Mar 29, 2009
2,014
24
38
Calgary, AB
I really don't see anything that is a big deal here. The biggest deal is the delay of the pipeline and while TCPL may not like it, its not about to drive them out of business. The 5.50 fee is much ado about nothing. The "buy American" provisos are largely symbolic. I don't see us getting much of a shaft here, just the CBC trying to stir up more counter-productive sentiment against those south of the border... again...
 

Ocean Breeze

Hall of Fame Member
Jun 5, 2005
18,361
60
48
Let's give em' syphilis for C-mas. They won't come begging again after that.

Oh petros,!!! That is just so brutal. Love it.:lol:

I really don't see anything that is a big deal here. The biggest deal is the delay of the pipeline and while TCPL may not like it, its not about to drive them out of business. The 5.50 fee is much ado about nothing. The "buy American" provisos are largely symbolic. I don't see us getting much of a shaft here, just the CBC trying to stir up more counter-productive sentiment against those south of the border... again...

where do your loyalites lie? And can you be objective, when you support the empire so obviously?? Not one for patriotic fanaticism......but some objectivity is in order. The empire has a long record of "shafting" others. It matters little who it is. We have seen them turn "friends " or allies into enemies on a whim or your garden variety greed. That does not make for a trustworthy neighbor.

Not saying that they don't have many positives. & many accomplishments worth of respect. But lets be realistic. Have yet to see any CA media actively stir up anti american sentiment. It is just not what they do. If they do, they are a lot more subtle about it. (and realism says they are more than justified.)

Alberta has an "interesting " relationship with the empire.....and it is based on oil
 

CDNBear

Custom Troll
Sep 24, 2006
43,839
207
63
Ontario
where do your loyalites lie? And can you be objective, when you support the empire so obviously?? Not one for patriotic fanaticism......but some objectivity is in order.
This is your standard utterly ridiculous accusation, when anyones opinion differs from yours on the US.

The only one in that conversation that needs to use some objectivity, is you.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

The End of the Dog is Coming!
Mar 19, 2006
11,282
479
83
59
Alberta
I think Obama is a sniveling two faced protectionist idiot. He has done nothing to sort out his own house except alienate some long time friends. He should be gone in the next election, but due to the fact that the Republicans can't produce a candidate who does not come off as a complete zealot he may get a second term.

If they (the republicans) were smart they'd stop cow towing to the religious right and put Rudy Giuliani on the leaders ticket and they would mop up the floor with this pathetic excuse for a President. But they won't because they are twice as retarded as a cracked distributor.
 

wulfie68

Council Member
Mar 29, 2009
2,014
24
38
Calgary, AB
where do your loyalites lie?

really its NOYFB. This isn't about "loyalty" and "allegance" but rather a realistic assessment of benefits and harm.

And can you be objective, when you support the empire so obviously??

You keep referring to the US as "the Empire" and I have to ask: are you a rabid loyalist or lost in the Star Wars galaxy, far, far away... If its the latter, the US still elects their senate so "Empire" still doesn't fit.

Not one for patriotic fanaticism...
Just fanatic anti-Americanism

...but some objectivity is in order.
Well it would be nice to see some obectivity but we won't see it from you...

The empire has a long record of "shafting" others. It matters little who it is. We have seen them turn "friends " or allies into enemies on a whim or your garden variety greed. That does not make for a trustworthy neighbor.

OK dearie, are we talking about the Romans or the Americans? Your description is a lot closer to the former than the latter. Yes, the US has done some things that they shouldn't be proud of but so have many nations, including Canada and most definately our parent nations, the former empires of Britain and France. On the whole, I do view the US much as I do the Brits: they have done some screwed up things but on the whole their influence has been positive, not just for themselves but for humanity as a whole. Can they use some work? Most definately but so can we.

Not saying that they don't have many positives. & many accomplishments worth of respect. But lets be realistic. Have yet to see any CA media actively stir up anti american sentiment. It is just not what they do. If they do, they are a lot more subtle about it. (and realism says they are more than justified.)

The CBC takes pokes at anyone the old Liberal Establishment saw as an opponent (old habits of sucking up to their former masters die hard with their bureaucrats), and that most definately includes the US.

Alberta has an "interesting " relationship with the empire.....and it is based on oil

Actually Alberta's affinity for the US has more to do with the more independent mindset most Albertans and most Americans have, when compared to the welfare-and-nanny-state mentality much of Quebec, the GTA and lower mainland of BC seem to share. But light another blunt and let your clarity tell you all about places you don't know anything about...
 

taxslave

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 25, 2008
36,362
4,336
113
Vancouver Island
And which of the republican limp dicks do you think they will replace him with? The repubs can spit and fume all they want, but they don't have a hope in hell of beating Obama out of office with this brain dead lineup.

DOn't be too sure about that. You are talking about a group that elected(sort of) junior twice.