NDP MP Looks to ban MP floor crossing


weaselwords
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#91
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Of all people I figured you have enough brains to realize that there is no difference between parties, they are all tarred with the same brush and their main concern is their own longevity so they qualify for as big of a pension as possible. Conservatives = Liberals



Uh ummmmmmmmmmmh, if I recall he was member of the Alliance Party, non? I'd say it's quite a leap from that to Liberal.

Better review your information Scott Brison was a PC and crossed the floor on amalgamation with the Alliance.
 
JLM
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#92
Quote: Originally Posted by weaselwordsView Post

Better review your information Scott Brison was a PC and crossed the floor on amalgamation with the Alliance.

OK, I'm fine with that, another poster said he didn't cross the floor so between that and my Alzheimers acting up I guess I was a little confused.
 
Machjo
#93
Quote: Originally Posted by weaselwordsView Post

Yes, considering the Conservative government we have now is a conglomeration
Progressive Conservative
Reform
Canadian Allince
DRC
and CRAP. Did I forget anybody else.
Well, I guess its not really floor crossing when they all sit on one side of the floor, just seat jumping.

There are a handful of libertarians, liberal conservatives, and possibly a handful of Christian corporatists and maybe a few liberal corporatists in the mix too. And add a few red tories just for good measure.
 
Fingertrouble
#94
Quote: Originally Posted by DurryView Post

Nah, the NDP are just scared sh^tless that many of their members will leave them.
They are using this method as a way to prevent losing members.

Floor crossing is not a problem, it happens only very seldom and really does no harm to anyone. In the end, the voter makes the final decision .

I would support no floor crossing, as the MP was voted to represent his electorate and therefore if that individual wanted to change parties, then he/she should resign and the run as the other party candidate in the by election.

I do totally agree with you that the NDP are just worried all there Quebec MP's will turn on their heels and run to he Bloc as soon as their support in Quebec starts to get unhappy.
 
WLDB
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#95
I'd disagree. Political parties already have too much power. When you enter into a polling station to vote you vote for a person, the party name is nowhere to be seen. If I had my way all MP's would vote for the best interests of their constituents rather than towing the party line all the time.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#96
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

I'd disagree. Political parties already have too much power. When you enter into a polling station to vote you vote for a person, the party name is nowhere to be seen. If I had my way all MP's would vote for the best interests of their constituents rather than towing the party line all the time.

They don't put the party name on the ballot where you vote?
 
WLDB
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#97
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

They don't put the party name on the ballot where you vote?

I've never seen the party name on either federal or provincial ballots.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#98
It's been on federal ballots since 1974. 2007 was the first time the party name appeared on an Ontario ballot.
 
WLDB
No Party Affiliation
#99
Odd that I've not noticed. It shouldn't be. If it wasn't on it people would be forced to actually figure out who the local candidate is and then vote for them rather than just vote for a brand.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#100
Could be confusing where two candidates have the similar names....
 
WLDB
No Party Affiliation
#101
More encouragement to do the research and make sure. People didn't seem to have too much of a problem before 1975, or 2007 as it may be.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#102
It's tough enough to get folks voting. You think they'll work for it? Eenie-meenie-miney-moe is too complicated for some people
 
JLM
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#103
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Could be confusing where two candidates have the similar names....

People with common names like Smith, Jones, Brown etc. probably shouldn't be allowed to run for political office, too easy for them to hide behind anonymity or made to take on "professional" names like Shark, Pyrannah, Pariah, Tarantuala etc.
 
damngrumpy
No Party Affiliation
#104
First of all the NDP is not concerned about their members crossing the floor, the party is in
official opposition and will be for some time to come the same way the Tories are likely to
govern for some time.
I do not agree with the idea though, as this practice is as old as parliamentary democracy
itself. Sometimes it is impossible for a person to stay in a party that changes direction in mid
stream. The cost of an election does not make sense.
People who cross the floor can make their case at election time.
 
Omicron
#105
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_SoldierView Post

I wholeheartedly agree with Peter Stoffer. If you are voted in as a specific party member and decide you want to change party's you should have to step down and run a new election campaign.

Zeig heil.

In the US Congress they don't have to cross a floor. They just don't vote the party line if their constituents don't agree.

I've been talking to American colleagues about what's going on up here, and as difficult and messed up the system is they are battling, they still say by their standards it's crossing the line and would not be tolerated.

Americans might bust unions, but they *never* bust pensions.

It's an investment issue.
 
Fingertrouble
#106
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDBView Post

. When you enter into a polling station to vote you vote for a person, the party name is nowhere to be seen. If I had my way all MP's would vote for the best interests of their constituents rather than towing the party line all the time.

Yes, you are correct that you vote for a person, but the majority of voters will vote for a person who best meets their political beliefs and therefore would vote for the candidate standing for the party that the voter is most inclined to support.

While I would say that I don't blindly vote for a certain party, for example a candidate that may be mired in controversy or suspected of some sort of dishonesty (before anyone mentions it is an oxymoron to suggest there is such a thing and an 'honest' politician!) would not get my vote. I don't also vote for the individual who has rescued 400 puppies, gives 50% of his income to charity and opens up his basement as a drop in shelter! I vote for the person who has the same political ideals that I believe in.

Quote: Originally Posted by OmicronView Post

Zeig heil.

In the US Congress they don't have to cross a floor. They just don't vote the party line if their constituents don't agree.

I've been talking to American colleagues about what's going on up here, and as difficult and messed up the system is they are battling, they still say by their standards it's crossing the line and would not be tolerated.

Americans might bust unions, but they *never* bust pensions.

It's an investment issue.

You are sadly mistaken if you have that much faith in the US congress and Senate.......there is just as much pressure for these individual when it comes to their vote and unfortunately in the States they tend to vote more for who is going to provide them with re-election funds and that's namely the lobbyists.......don't trust that the US politicians will vote what their constituents want, but rather they will vote for what the lobbyists supporting their campaigns want.
 
JLM
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#107
Quote: Originally Posted by FingertroubleView Post

Yes, you are correct that you vote for a person, but the majority of voters will vote for a person who best meets their political beliefs and therefore would vote for the candidate standing for the party that the voter is most inclined to support.

I'll be honest, I generally vote for the person who I think will do me the most good, so long as it's not to the detriment of common people. Folks like Lord Black............................I'm not as concerned.
 
WLDB
No Party Affiliation
#108
Quote: Originally Posted by FingertroubleView Post

Yes, you are correct that you vote for a person, but the majority of voters will vote for a person who best meets their political beliefs and therefore would vote for the candidate standing for the party that the voter is most inclined to support.

And if they don't do the proper research to see what the candidate is really like, they shouldn't be surprised when they do something unexpected, like vote against the party or all out floor cross.

Assuming this ban does get through there wouldn't be any way to stop an MP from voting with another party which would in effect be the same as leaving their party.
 

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