#1Oct 30th, 2011
Is the English Language being bastardized?
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
English is a bastardized language but it is evolving into some other than what it was. Change is inevitable, even if it is for the worse.Years ago when I first heard the term "preowned cars", I thought things were getting a little ridiculous, not to say ostentatious. Well, tonight while watching the Idiot Box, I heard one that really takes the cake, I thought....................."soil" has now become "growing medium". In school (110 years ago) we were taught when there is a choice of using two words with the same meaning, use the shorter one!
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#4Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
I prefer the original copy.Change is inevitable, even if it is for the worse.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 30th, 2011
Languages evolve: thats just the way it goes. Our contexts change as society changes and thus our need to express ourselves differently. We complain about it ( I f***ing HATE people who say "irregardless" or overuse "that" for example) but society marches on and life is too short to give ourselves coronaries over someone else's linguistic habits.
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Lets not start this, or people might have to provide some input as to how bastardized your native Quebecoisanese is. Most of us Anglophiles can converse easily with Brits, Aussies or Kiwis, a lot easier than Quebecois can with their cousins from France...English is a bastardized language but it is evolving into some other than what it was. Change is inevitable, even if it is for the worse.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by wulfie68
You obviously have not been paying too much attention. I am first generation Canadian of British heritage.Languages evolve: thats just the way it goes. Our contexts change as society changes and thus our need to express ourselves differently. We complain about it ( I f***ing HATE people who say "irregardless" or overuse "that" for example) but society marches on and life is too short to give ourselves coronaries over someone else's linguistic habits.
Lets not start this, or people might have to provide some input as to how bastardized your native Quebecoisanese is. Most of us Anglophiles can converse easily with Brits, Aussies or Kiwis, a lot easier than Quebecois can with their cousins from France...
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#7 Top Rated PostRe: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 30th, 2011
Growing medium isn't always soil....
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#8Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
There is no original copy. Language evolves, as several people have pointed out, usages and meanings change, new vocabulary is invented, or stolen from other languages, words fall into disuse, that's the way it is, though the invention of printing and the mass distribution of written material certainly slowed it down. Compare Chaucer's English to Shakespeare's English to modern English. Only about 200 years separates Chaucer and Shakespeare, and about 400 years separates Shakespeare from us, and the language changed far more in those first 200 years than it has in the past 400. Shakespeare is still comprehensible, Chaucer is not without special study, and probably wouldn't have been to many people of Shakespeare's time. Printing came along two generations after Chaucer and by Shakespeare's time was common, which greatly stabilized the language. I prefer the original copy.
So yes, English is being bastardized, it always has been, that's one of its strengths. It's a sl ut of a language, as somebody once said, it's been known to chase other languages down the alley and mug them for new vocabulary. I haven't much sympathy with the grammar nazis, they're fighting a doomed rearguard action, though I really wish the younger generations would stop using "like" as every third or fourth word, and stop ending sentences on a rising inflection, like, you know? Sounds ignorant to my ear, and I could also happily go a long time without hearing the word "totally."
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 30th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier
I don't know either and I probably won't talk to you later but - ynkprolly idk ttyl
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
You'll have to add "cool" to that list of words that go with "like and like, ya know" and Are you serious?. I also dis-like that Canadian English is not used in spell check (on my computer anyway). Words like "surprize" are not correctly spelled as surprise. I always know when someone has used spellcheck because words like that are always spelled wrong.There is no original copy. Language evolves, as several people have pointed out, usages and meanings change, new vocabulary is invented, or stolen from other languages, words fall into disuse, that's the way it is, though the invention of printing and the mass distribution of written material certainly slowed it down. Compare Chaucer's English to Shakespeare's English to modern English. Only about 200 years separates Chaucer and Shakespeare, and about 400 years separates Shakespeare from us, and the language changed far more in those first 200 years than it has in the past 400. Shakespeare is still comprehensible, Chaucer is not without special study, and probably wouldn't have been to many people of Shakespeare's time. Printing came along two generations after Chaucer and by Shakespeare's time was common, which greatly stabilized the language.
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So yes, English is being bastardized, it always has been, that's one of its strengths. It's a sl ut of a language, as somebody once said, it's been known to chase other languages down the alley and mug them for new vocabulary. I haven't much sympathy with the grammar nazis, they're fighting a doomed rearguard action, though I really wish the younger generations would stop using "like" as every third or fourth word, and stop ending sentences on a rising inflection, like, you know? Sounds ignorant to my ear, and I could also happily go a long time without hearing the word "totally."
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#10Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
That was my thought. Growing medium does not necessarily mean soil. More likely peat moss with additives.Growing medium isn't always soil....
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Were they actually using soil, or were they using a different growing medium? There is a difference, and they don't mean the same thing. Soil is a growing medium, but not all media are made from soil. It would be bastardizing English to expand a definition to something for which it doesn't belong.Years ago when I first heard the term "preowned cars", I thought things were getting a little ridiculous, not to say ostentatious. Well, tonight while watching the Idiot Box, I heard one that really takes the cake, I thought....................."soil" has now become "growing medium". In school (110 years ago) we were taught when there is a choice of using two words with the same meaning, use the shorter one!
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
In the program I was watching, Yes. It was about rooftop gardens.Were they actually using soil, or were they using a different growing medium? There is a difference, and they don't mean the same thing. Soil is a growing medium, but not all media are made from soil. It would be bastardizing English to expand a definition to something for which it doesn't belong.
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#13Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Why would somebody want to grow rooftops? Can you eat them or do you smoke them?In the program I was watching, Yes. It was about rooftop gardens.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
They are getting popular in the quest for more growing space................we have 7 billion to feed now!Why would somebody want to grow rooftops? Can you eat them or do you smoke them?
BUT you are off topic!
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
Really? What is the future potential? The added bonus? Lets revert back to the inner core and observe some bare naked true facts and the sum total without throwing a temper tantrum like young children.There is no original copy.
What the hell is an original copy anyway?
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#16Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
What is known as an oxymoron! Really? What is the future potential? The added bonus? Lets revert back to the inner core and observe some bare naked true facts and the sum total without throwing a temper tantrum like young children.
What the hell is an original copy anyway?
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Like, totally are not.BUT you are off topic!
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
That is exactly right.What is known as an oxymoron!
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#19Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
That always reminds me of Danny Gallivan who I once heard say about a hockey player, "He was originally born in Swift Current". I always wondered where he was re-born.What the hell is an original copy anyway?
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011
I got a free gift the other day, at 2pm in the afternoon.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
It was approved by the assistant supervisor? That beats the hell out of death benefits.I got a free gift the other day, at 2pm in the afternoon.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Thou dost speak truth.Years ago when I first heard the term "preowned cars", I thought things were getting a little ridiculous, not to say ostentatious. Well, tonight while watching the Idiot Box, I heard one that really takes the cake, I thought....................."soil" has now become "growing medium". In school (110 years ago) we were taught when there is a choice of using two words with the same meaning, use the shorter one!
Thou art correct in deed.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Honestly, not all potting medium is soil, even for roof top gardens.In the program I was watching, Yes. It was about rooftop gardens.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
Thou speakest truth.Honestly, not all potting medium is soil, even for roof top gardens.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by karrie
Beside the point, when they are using soil why the not say "soil"? That's almost as bad as the "preowned car salesman"! Honestly, not all potting medium is soil, even for roof top gardens.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011
Soil and dirt are not the samething.
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Re: Is the English Language being bastardized?
Oct 31st, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Soil is dirt but dirt isn't necessarily soil! Soil and dirt are not the samething.
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