Is the English Language being bastardized?

JLM

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Years ago when I first heard the term "preowned cars", I thought things were getting a little ridiculous, not to say ostentatious. Well, tonight while watching the Idiot Box, I heard one that really takes the cake, I thought....................."soil" has now become "growing medium". In school (110 years ago) we were taught when there is a choice of using two words with the same meaning, use the shorter one!
 

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Years ago when I first heard the term "preowned cars", I thought things were getting a little ridiculous, not to say ostentatious. Well, tonight while watching the Idiot Box, I heard one that really takes the cake, I thought....................."soil" has now become "growing medium". In school (110 years ago) we were taught when there is a choice of using two words with the same meaning, use the shorter one!
English is a bastardized language but it is evolving into some other than what it was. Change is inevitable, even if it is for the worse.
 

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Languages evolve: thats just the way it goes. Our contexts change as society changes and thus our need to express ourselves differently. We complain about it ( I f***ing HATE people who say "irregardless" or overuse "that" for example) but society marches on and life is too short to give ourselves coronaries over someone else's linguistic habits.

English is a bastardized language but it is evolving into some other than what it was. Change is inevitable, even if it is for the worse.

Lets not start this, or people might have to provide some input as to how bastardized your native Quebecoisanese is. Most of us Anglophiles can converse easily with Brits, Aussies or Kiwis, a lot easier than Quebecois can with their cousins from France...
 

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Languages evolve: thats just the way it goes. Our contexts change as society changes and thus our need to express ourselves differently. We complain about it ( I f***ing HATE people who say "irregardless" or overuse "that" for example) but society marches on and life is too short to give ourselves coronaries over someone else's linguistic habits.



Lets not start this, or people might have to provide some input as to how bastardized your native Quebecoisanese is. Most of us Anglophiles can converse easily with Brits, Aussies or Kiwis, a lot easier than Quebecois can with their cousins from France...
You obviously have not been paying too much attention. I am first generation Canadian of British heritage.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I prefer the original copy.
There is no original copy. Language evolves, as several people have pointed out, usages and meanings change, new vocabulary is invented, or stolen from other languages, words fall into disuse, that's the way it is, though the invention of printing and the mass distribution of written material certainly slowed it down. Compare Chaucer's English to Shakespeare's English to modern English. Only about 200 years separates Chaucer and Shakespeare, and about 400 years separates Shakespeare from us, and the language changed far more in those first 200 years than it has in the past 400. Shakespeare is still comprehensible, Chaucer is not without special study, and probably wouldn't have been to many people of Shakespeare's time. Printing came along two generations after Chaucer and by Shakespeare's time was common, which greatly stabilized the language.


So yes, English is being bastardized, it always has been, that's one of its strengths. It's a sl ut of a language, as somebody once said, it's been known to chase other languages down the alley and mug them for new vocabulary. I haven't much sympathy with the grammar nazis, they're fighting a doomed rearguard action, though I really wish the younger generations would stop using "like" as every third or fourth word, and stop ending sentences on a rising inflection, like, you know? Sounds ignorant to my ear, and I could also happily go a long time without hearing the word "totally."
 

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There is no original copy. Language evolves, as several people have pointed out, usages and meanings change, new vocabulary is invented, or stolen from other languages, words fall into disuse, that's the way it is, though the invention of printing and the mass distribution of written material certainly slowed it down. Compare Chaucer's English to Shakespeare's English to modern English. Only about 200 years separates Chaucer and Shakespeare, and about 400 years separates Shakespeare from us, and the language changed far more in those first 200 years than it has in the past 400. Shakespeare is still comprehensible, Chaucer is not without special study, and probably wouldn't have been to many people of Shakespeare's time. Printing came along two generations after Chaucer and by Shakespeare's time was common, which greatly stabilized the language.


So yes, English is being bastardized, it always has been, that's one of its strengths. It's a sl ut of a language, as somebody once said, it's been known to chase other languages down the alley and mug them for new vocabulary. I haven't much sympathy with the grammar nazis, they're fighting a doomed rearguard action, though I really wish the younger generations would stop using "like" as every third or fourth word, and stop ending sentences on a rising inflection, like, you know? Sounds ignorant to my ear, and I could also happily go a long time without hearing the word "totally."
You'll have to add "cool" to that list of words that go with "like and like, ya know" and Are you serious?. I also dis-like that Canadian English is not used in spell check (on my computer anyway). Words like "surprize" are not correctly spelled as surprise. I always know when someone has used spellcheck because words like that are always spelled wrong.
 

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Years ago when I first heard the term "preowned cars", I thought things were getting a little ridiculous, not to say ostentatious. Well, tonight while watching the Idiot Box, I heard one that really takes the cake, I thought....................."soil" has now become "growing medium". In school (110 years ago) we were taught when there is a choice of using two words with the same meaning, use the shorter one!

Were they actually using soil, or were they using a different growing medium? There is a difference, and they don't mean the same thing. Soil is a growing medium, but not all media are made from soil. It would be bastardizing English to expand a definition to something for which it doesn't belong.
 

JLM

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Were they actually using soil, or were they using a different growing medium? There is a difference, and they don't mean the same thing. Soil is a growing medium, but not all media are made from soil. It would be bastardizing English to expand a definition to something for which it doesn't belong.

In the program I was watching, Yes. It was about rooftop gardens.
 

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There is no original copy.
Really? What is the future potential? The added bonus? Lets revert back to the inner core and observe some bare naked true facts and the sum total without throwing a temper tantrum like young children.

What the hell is an original copy anyway?
 

JLM

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Really? What is the future potential? The added bonus? Lets revert back to the inner core and observe some bare naked true facts and the sum total without throwing a temper tantrum like young children.

What the hell is an original copy anyway?

What is known as an oxymoron! :lol: