WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Logic

[I think not]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Communist as we knew it knows absotly nothing about freedom, i guess it is the same with citizens from the united states, otherwise they will have never accepted "patriot act" and wiretapping from their governement.

Oh really really, tell us what you know about the Patriot Act and the wiretapping. I'm all ears.

Enough to realize it is about stealing freedom from citizen , not for the war on terror.

In other words, you know nothing other than what you are told.

 

[Toro]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Communist as we knew it knows absotly nothing about freedom, i guess it is the same with citizens from the united states, otherwise they will have never accepted "patriot act" and wiretapping from their governement.

Oh really really, tell us what you know about the Patriot Act and the wiretapping. I'm all ears.

Enough to realize it is about stealing freedom from citizen , not for the war on terror.

In other words, you know nothing other than what you are told.

\

I was told to go have another beer.

So I'm going to.

 

[para-dice]

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Well, the freedom that gw bush fights isnt the same as what freedom really means.

Agreed.

Most Americans don't ask the right questions about their system, the comparision between Canadian and US health care being an example.

Yes they have the best facilities, methods, science, drugs, reserach - most definately. So yes America has the best health care system.

Now ofcourse, do you have access to that health care? And at what price? Sure we know of some 40 million without, but how about the other 150 million uninsured? How about the 100 million that would be bankrupted if a catastrophic injury were to take place.

So maybe American's should start asking the right questions? Like what kind of access to various health care facilities do you have? For many the answer is very little. Yet you NEVER hear the US debate touch upon this perspective - having access. Hence the low health rates for infant mortality,

That is called "Framing the issue."

 

[I think not]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Health care is not the end all to freedom para-dice. I would be more concerned about your government banning books at the border than the American health care system. Oh what am I saying, leftists love banning books, keeps the masses away from "harmful" ideas..

 

[Logic 7]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Health care is not the end all to freedom para-dice. I would be more concerned about your government banning books at the border than the American health care system. Oh what am I saying, leftists love banning books, keeps the masses away from "harmful" ideas..

Canadian governnement bans book? which one?

 

[Caleb-Dain Matton]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

I'm curious too! Sign me up for some facts on the left banning books!

 

[Toro]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

I'm curious too! Sign me up for some facts on the left banning books!

I was on a ferry from Dubrovnik to Rijeka in the Adriatic 15 years ago when it was still Yugoslavia. I was reading the book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich when a group of students walked up to me what I was reading. I told them and asked them why the asked. They said it was because they were not allowed to read such books.

Not the Canadian Left, but the Left nonetheless.

However, the Left has been at the forefront of hate speech laws in Canada, quashing ideas they find offensive. The prosecution of people such as Ernst Zundel and Doug Christie was wholeheartedly supported by the Left.

You don't even have to look at such repugnant figures to show how the Left has tried to limit the expression of ideas. This group sprung up in the early 1990s to defend free speech and scholarship in Universities, which was under attack from the Left during the time of Political Correctness.

So I can't think of any time the Left have actually burned books in Canada. However, the Left in Canada certainly has been guilty of trying to limit speech and thought when it has offended their sensibilities.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Health care is not the end all to freedom para-dice. I would be more concerned about your government banning books at the border than the American health care system. Oh what am I saying, leftists love banning books, keeps the masses away from "harmful" ideas..

Still waiting.......

 

[Logic 7]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

I'm curious too! Sign me up for some facts on the left banning books!

I was on a ferry from Dubrovnik to Rijeka in the Adriatic 15 years ago when it was still Yugoslavia. I was reading the book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich when a group of students walked up to me what I was reading. I told them and asked them why the asked. They said it was because they were not allowed to read such books.

Not the Canadian Left, but the Left nonetheless.

However, the Left has been at the forefront of hate speech laws in Canada, quashing ideas they find offensive. The prosecution of people such as Ernst Zundel and Doug Christie was wholeheartedly supported by the Left.

You don't even have to look at such repugnant figures to show how the Left has tried to limit the expression of ideas. This group sprung up in the early 1990s to defend free speech and scholarship in Universities, which was under attack from the Left during the time of Political Correctness.

So I can't think of any time the Left have actually burned books in Canada. However, the Left in Canada certainly has been guilty of trying to limit speech and thought when it has offended their sensibilities.

?? sorry, but i really don't get what you are trying to say, it is fun to say , the left try to limit freedom of speech, but prove it, not just say it.

 

[sanch]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

The apathy of the U.S. literary industry to the ongoing campaign of censorship by its neighbors to the north continues, even as Customs siezures there mount. While publishing houses seem surprisingly content to suffer the occasional indignities?and costs?of filing legal defenses and recalling shipments, many individuals remain wholly ignorant that the works of such luminaries as Marguerite Duras, Dorothy Allison, bell hooks, and Kathy Acker are regularly held up at the Canadian border posts?sometimes later to be released, sometimes mysteriously disappearing. Cleis Press aims to challenge both U.S. ignorance and the Canadian government's right to determine what is fit reading for its populace with this collection of 19 excerpts from books previously siezed. The writers are mostly gay and lesbian, the subject matter ranging from Professor Richard Mohr's "Gay Studies as Moral Vision" from Beacon Press's accalimed Gay Ideas, to Susie Bright's "Egg Sex," on the effects of pregnancy on women's sexual desires. More important than the selections, however, are the two prefaces. Pat Califia delivers a cogent and passionate argument against state control of information, while the history of Canada's recently expanded rights of siezure is delineated by Vancouver's Little Sisters bookstore manager Janine Fuller. Unable to stock books their cutomers were requesting, Little Sisters filed suit against Canadian customs, so far incurring more than $200,000 in legal fees. Cleis is helping by donating proceeds from the book to Little Sisters; librarians can help by stocking this informative book in all public and academic libraries in the U.S.?Eric Bryant, "Library Journal"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1573440191/002-1980488-3414401?v=glance&n=283155

My understanding is that the gay literature--which is by far the most of what is not allowed--was banned by the Mulroney conservative government. The liberals are very pro gay and so why would they ban these books.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

The apathy of the U.S. literary industry to the ongoing campaign of censorship by its neighbors to the north continues, even as Customs siezures there mount. While publishing houses seem surprisingly content to suffer the occasional indignities?and costs?of filing legal defenses and recalling shipments, many individuals remain wholly ignorant that the works of such luminaries as Marguerite Duras, Dorothy Allison, bell hooks, and Kathy Acker are regularly held up at the Canadian border posts?sometimes later to be released, sometimes mysteriously disappearing. Cleis Press aims to challenge both U.S. ignorance and the Canadian government's right to determine what is fit reading for its populace with this collection of 19 excerpts from books previously siezed. The writers are mostly gay and lesbian, the subject matter ranging from Professor Richard Mohr's "Gay Studies as Moral Vision" from Beacon Press's accalimed Gay Ideas, to Susie Bright's "Egg Sex," on the effects of pregnancy on women's sexual desires. More important than the selections, however, are the two prefaces. Pat Califia delivers a cogent and passionate argument against state control of information, while the history of Canada's recently expanded rights of siezure is delineated by Vancouver's Little Sisters bookstore manager Janine Fuller. Unable to stock books their cutomers were requesting, Little Sisters filed suit against Canadian customs, so far incurring more than $200,000 in legal fees. Cleis is helping by donating proceeds from the book to Little Sisters; librarians can help by stocking this informative book in all public and academic libraries in the U.S.?Eric Bryant, "Library Journal"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1573440191/002-1980488-3414401?v=glance&n=283155

My understanding is that the gay literature--which is by far the most of what is not allowed--was banned by the Mulroney conservative government. The liberals are very pro gay and so why would they ban these books.

This is really bad , but i don't think liberals from canada were that much pro-gay,is there any politics controversial books that have been banned? i did some reasearch but i couldnt find any

 

[missile]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Hitler's Mein Kampf was banned a few years ago and a bunch of books by a well known American White Power advocate were just recently banned. There was a recent list of all the banned books and DVDs recently on The Smoking Gun website.

 

[Logic 7]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Hitler's Mein Kampf was banned a few years ago and a bunch of books by a well known American White Power advocate were just recently banned. There was a recent list of all the banned books and DVDs recently on The Smoking Gun website.

In Finland, Spain, Canada, the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, Argentina, Russia and India the book hitler's Mein kampf is freely available, please guys check your facts.

 

[I think not]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Canadian governnement bans book? which one?

You can call the Prohibited Importations Directorate, tel. (613) 954-6940 to get a full up to date list. In the meantime here's a sampling:

Adams, Carol: The Sexual Politics of Meat: a feminist-vegetarian critical theory
Altman, Dennis: Homosexual Oppression and Liberation
Allison, Dorothy: Trash
Bataille, George: Blue of Noon and Story of the Eye
Bierce, Ambrose: The Devil's Advocate: An Ambrose Bierce Reader
Bram, Christopher: Surprising Myself
Bright, Susie: Susie Bright's Sexual Reality and Herotica
Burroughs, William: The Naked Lunch
Califia, ed: The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual.
Carter, ed.: Outrage: Australian Gay and Lesbian short story anthology
Cooper, ed.: Discontents: New Queer Writing (Amethyst Press)
Delany, Samuel R: The Madman
Marguerite Duras: The Man Sitting in the Corridor
Dworkin, Andrea: Woman Hating and Pornography: Men Possessing Women
Fleming, Mickey: About Courage
Genet, Jean: Querelle and Prisoner of Love
Hardy, Jan (ed.): Wanting Women: an anthology of erotic lesbian poetry and Sister/Stranger: lesbians loving across the lines
Hedgepeth, Evonne and Helmich, Joan: Teaching about Sexuality and HIV
Highsmith, Patricia: The Price of Salt
Hollinghurst, Alan: The Swimmingpool Library
hooks, bell: Black Looks: race and representation
Irving, John: The Hotel New Hampshire
Leavitt, David: A Place I've Never Been
Leyland, Winston (ed.): Gay Roots: 20 Years of the Gay Sunshine Interviews Also Gay Roots II.
Linden, Ruth: Against Sadomasochism
McBride, Will and Fleishhauer-Hardt, Helga: Show Me! (released on appeal)
Mitchell, Mark, ed.:The Penguin Book of International Gay Writing
Mohr, Richard: Gay Ideas: outing and other controversies
National Lesbian and Gay Survey: Proust, Cole Porter, Michelangelo, Marc Almond and Me: writings by gay men on their lives and lifestyles
Odets, Walt: In the Shadow of the Epidemic (Duke University Press)
Penelope, Julia and Wolfe, Susan (ed.): Lesbian Culture: an anthology,
Phelan, Shane: Identity Politics
Reage, Pauline: The Story of O
Rechy, John: City of Night
Rule, Jane: Desert of the Heart
Sade, the Marquis de: The 120 Days of Sodom
Sedgwick, Eve Kosofsky: Tendencies; Fat Art, Thin Art (Duke University Press) and other titles
Selby, Hubert Jr.: Last Exit to Brooklyn
Sherman, Suzanne, ed.: Lesbian and Gay Marriage
Steinbeck, John: The Way
Smith, David Emerson: Queer Poet Lives
Stern, Phyllis Noerager, ed.: Lesbian Health: what are the issues?
Stoller, Robert: Port: Myths for the Twentieth Century
Swartzlander, Susan and Mumford, Marilyn, eds.: That Great Sanity: Critical Essays on May Sarton (University of Michigan Press)
Tom of Finland: Nasty Nature Trail, Tom of Finland Exhibition 1974-95 and Retrospectives #1
Tory, Frank (ed.) Panthology I and Panthology II (burned by Customs)
Walker, Mitch: Men Loving Men
Oscar Wilde: Teleny
Willis, Danielle: Dogs in Lingerie
Wojnarowicz: Memories That Smell Like Gasoline

Caught Looking: Feminism, Pornography and Censorship
The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader
Nudist Magazines of the '50s and '60s
Discontent: New Queer Writers
Stonewall Riots
International Fiction #22: Homosexuality and Pornography
Fiction International #22
The Kama Sutra
Betty Page Reading Cards
Caught Looking: Feminists, Pornography and Censorship
Tin Tin
Asterix
Unity: A Celebration of Gay Games IV and Stonewall.
Wimmin's Comix #7, 10
Weenie Toons
Hothead Paisan, various issues.
The Advocate
Piercing Fans International Quarterly
More titles from Leif Harmsen's Web Site.

http://www.efc.ca/pages/chronicle/customs.html

 

[Daz_Hockey]

RE: WTC Deaths Apparently

I've read John Irvings: Hotel New Hampshire!!!....you don't know what your missing!!!.....


Besides I thought this was some kind of Pogram about how it's the US's fault for 11/9, which it clearly isn't

 

[sanch]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

This is really bad , but i don't think liberals from canada were that much pro-gay,is there any politics controversial books that have been banned? i did some reasearch but i couldnt find any

bell hooks is very political. Perhaps supportive of gay rights is a better term. For much of the gay or feminist stuff the bans coincide with when the conservative government was last in power. But access to certain content is very restricted in Canada and the liberals need to take a share of the blame.

Here is a good link.

http://www.freedomtoread.ca/default.asp

 

[Logic 7]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Canadian governnement bans book? which one?

You can call the Prohibited Importations Directorate, tel. (613) 954-6940 to get a full up to date list. In the meantime here's a sampling:

Adams, Carol: The Sexual Politics of Meat: a feminist-vegetarian critical theory
Altman, Dennis: Homosexual Oppression and Liberation
Allison, Dorothy: Trash
Bataille, George: Blue of Noon and Story of the Eye
Bierce, Ambrose: The Devil's Advocate: An Ambrose Bierce Reader
Bram, Christopher: Surprising Myself
Bright, Susie: Susie Bright's Sexual Reality and Herotica
Burroughs, William: The Naked Lunch
Califia, ed: The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual.
Carter, ed.: Outrage: Australian Gay and Lesbian short story anthology
Cooper, ed.: Discontents: New Queer Writing (Amethyst Press)
Delany, Samuel R: The Madman
Marguerite Duras: The Man Sitting in the Corridor
Dworkin, Andrea: Woman Hating and Pornography: Men Possessing Women
Fleming, Mickey: About Courage
Genet, Jean: Querelle and Prisoner of Love
Hardy, Jan (ed.): Wanting Women: an anthology of erotic lesbian poetry and Sister/Stranger: lesbians loving across the lines
Hedgepeth, Evonne and Helmich, Joan: Teaching about Sexuality and HIV
Highsmith, Patricia: The Price of Salt
Hollinghurst, Alan: The Swimmingpool Library
hooks, bell: Black Looks: race and representation
Irving, John: The Hotel New Hampshire
Leavitt, David: A Place I've Never Been
Leyland, Winston (ed.): Gay Roots: 20 Years of the Gay Sunshine Interviews Also Gay Roots II.
Linden, Ruth: Against Sadomasochism
McBride, Will and Fleishhauer-Hardt, Helga: Show Me! (released on appeal)
Mitchell, Mark, ed.:The Penguin Book of International Gay Writing
Mohr, Richard: Gay Ideas: outing and other controversies
National Lesbian and Gay Survey: Proust, Cole Porter, Michelangelo, Marc Almond and Me: writings by gay men on their lives and lifestyles
Odets, Walt: In the Shadow of the Epidemic (Duke University Press)
Penelope, Julia and Wolfe, Susan (ed.): Lesbian Culture: an anthology,
Phelan, Shane: Identity Politics
Reage, Pauline: The Story of O
Rechy, John: City of Night
Rule, Jane: Desert of the Heart
Sade, the Marquis de: The 120 Days of Sodom
Sedgwick, Eve Kosofsky: Tendencies; Fat Art, Thin Art (Duke University Press) and other titles
Selby, Hubert Jr.: Last Exit to Brooklyn
Sherman, Suzanne, ed.: Lesbian and Gay Marriage
Steinbeck, John: The Way
Smith, David Emerson: Queer Poet Lives
Stern, Phyllis Noerager, ed.: Lesbian Health: what are the issues?
Stoller, Robert: Port: Myths for the Twentieth Century
Swartzlander, Susan and Mumford, Marilyn, eds.: That Great Sanity: Critical Essays on May Sarton (University of Michigan Press)
Tom of Finland: Nasty Nature Trail, Tom of Finland Exhibition 1974-95 and Retrospectives #1
Tory, Frank (ed.) Panthology I and Panthology II (burned by Customs)
Walker, Mitch: Men Loving Men
Oscar Wilde: Teleny
Willis, Danielle: Dogs in Lingerie
Wojnarowicz: Memories That Smell Like Gasoline

Caught Looking: Feminism, Pornography and Censorship
The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader
Nudist Magazines of the '50s and '60s
Discontent: New Queer Writers
Stonewall Riots
International Fiction #22: Homosexuality and Pornography
Fiction International #22
The Kama Sutra
Betty Page Reading Cards
Caught Looking: Feminists, Pornography and Censorship
Tin Tin
Asterix
Unity: A Celebration of Gay Games IV and Stonewall.
Wimmin's Comix #7, 10
Weenie Toons
Hothead Paisan, various issues.
The Advocate
Piercing Fans International Quarterly
More titles from Leif Harmsen's Web Site.

http://www.efc.ca/pages/chronicle/customs.html

It seems like the Canadian governement have something against gay and lesbian,after all ,how can they claim to be better than americans, regardings freedoms?

 

[Said1]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

Canadian governnement bans book? which one?

You can call the Prohibited Importations Directorate, tel. (613) 954-6940 to get a full up to date list. In the meantime here's a sampling:

Adams, Carol: The Sexual Politics of Meat: a feminist-vegetarian critical theory
Altman, Dennis: Homosexual Oppression and Liberation
Allison, Dorothy: Trash
Bataille, George: Blue of Noon and Story of the Eye
Bierce, Ambrose: The Devil's Advocate: An Ambrose Bierce Reader
Bram, Christopher: Surprising Myself
Bright, Susie: Susie Bright's Sexual Reality and Herotica
Burroughs, William: The Naked Lunch
Califia, ed: The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual.
Carter, ed.: Outrage: Australian Gay and Lesbian short story anthology
Cooper, ed.: Discontents: New Queer Writing (Amethyst Press)
Delany, Samuel R: The Madman
Marguerite Duras: The Man Sitting in the Corridor
Dworkin, Andrea: Woman Hating and Pornography: Men Possessing Women
Fleming, Mickey: About Courage
Genet, Jean: Querelle and Prisoner of Love
Hardy, Jan (ed.): Wanting Women: an anthology of erotic lesbian poetry and Sister/Stranger: lesbians loving across the lines
Hedgepeth, Evonne and Helmich, Joan: Teaching about Sexuality and HIV
Highsmith, Patricia: The Price of Salt
Hollinghurst, Alan: The Swimmingpool Library
hooks, bell: Black Looks: race and representation
Irving, John: The Hotel New Hampshire
Leavitt, David: A Place I've Never Been
Leyland, Winston (ed.): Gay Roots: 20 Years of the Gay Sunshine Interviews Also Gay Roots II.
Linden, Ruth: Against Sadomasochism
McBride, Will and Fleishhauer-Hardt, Helga: Show Me! (released on appeal)
Mitchell, Mark, ed.:The Penguin Book of International Gay Writing
Mohr, Richard: Gay Ideas: outing and other controversies
National Lesbian and Gay Survey: Proust, Cole Porter, Michelangelo, Marc Almond and Me: writings by gay men on their lives and lifestyles
Odets, Walt: In the Shadow of the Epidemic (Duke University Press)
Penelope, Julia and Wolfe, Susan (ed.): Lesbian Culture: an anthology,
Phelan, Shane: Identity Politics
Reage, Pauline: The Story of O
Rechy, John: City of Night
Rule, Jane: Desert of the Heart
Sade, the Marquis de: The 120 Days of Sodom
Sedgwick, Eve Kosofsky: Tendencies; Fat Art, Thin Art (Duke University Press) and other titles
Selby, Hubert Jr.: Last Exit to Brooklyn
Sherman, Suzanne, ed.: Lesbian and Gay Marriage
Steinbeck, John: The Way
Smith, David Emerson: Queer Poet Lives
Stern, Phyllis Noerager, ed.: Lesbian Health: what are the issues?
Stoller, Robert: Port: Myths for the Twentieth Century
Swartzlander, Susan and Mumford, Marilyn, eds.: That Great Sanity: Critical Essays on May Sarton (University of Michigan Press)
Tom of Finland: Nasty Nature Trail, Tom of Finland Exhibition 1974-95 and Retrospectives #1
Tory, Frank (ed.) Panthology I and Panthology II (burned by Customs)
Walker, Mitch: Men Loving Men
Oscar Wilde: Teleny
Willis, Danielle: Dogs in Lingerie
Wojnarowicz: Memories That Smell Like Gasoline

Caught Looking: Feminism, Pornography and Censorship
The Lesbian and Gay Studies Reader
Nudist Magazines of the '50s and '60s
Discontent: New Queer Writers
Stonewall Riots
International Fiction #22: Homosexuality and Pornography
Fiction International #22
The Kama Sutra
Betty Page Reading Cards
Caught Looking: Feminists, Pornography and Censorship
Tin Tin
Asterix
Unity: A Celebration of Gay Games IV and Stonewall.
Wimmin's Comix #7, 10
Weenie Toons
Hothead Paisan, various issues.
The Advocate
Piercing Fans International Quarterly
More titles from Leif Harmsen's Web Site.

http://www.efc.ca/pages/chronicle/customs.html

It says those books were seized by customs agents. That is they made the call, or were the books on an actual list?

 

[I think not]

Re: WTC Deaths Apparently justified according to Israeli Log

It says those books were seized by customs agents. That is they made the call, or were the books on an actual list?

No idea, but obviously someone has given them permission to seize books of "questionable" content.