Would You Vote For This Man?

Would you consider voting for him?

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Nathaniel

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Aug 4, 2006
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I have a question for everyone.

Would you consider voting for this man if he was Canadian and running for prime minister? Give a little reason why you would or wouldn't vote for him bellow.


He had been something of a bohemian in his youth, and always regarded young people and their idealism as the key to progress and the overcoming of outmoded prejudices. And he was widely admired by the young people of his country, many of whom belonged to organizations devoted to practicing and propagating his teachings. He has had a lifelong passion for music, art, and architecture, and is even something of a painter. He rejects what he regards as petty bourgeois moral hang-ups, and he and his girlfriend have "lived together" for years. He counted a number of homosexuals as friends and collaborators, and took the view that a man's personal morals were none of his business. He was ahead of his time where a number of contemporary progressive causes are concerned: he disliked smoking, regarding it as a serious danger to public health, and took steps to combat it; he is a vegetarian and animal lover; he has helped to enact tough gun control laws; and he advocated euthanasia for the incurably ill.

He champions the rights of workers, regards a capitalist society as brutal and unjust, and seeks a third way between communism and the free market. In this regard, he and his associates greatly admire the strong steps taken by President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal to take large-scale economic decision-making out of private hands and put it into those of government planning agencies. His aim was is institute a brand of socialism that avoids the inefficiencies that plagued the Soviet variety. He deplored the selfish individualism he took to be endemic to modern Western society, and wants to replace it with an ethic of self-sacrifice: "As Christ proclaimed 'love one another'," he said, "so our call -- 'people's community,' 'public need before private greed,' 'communally-minded social consciousness' -- rings out.! This call will echo throughout the world!"

The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he is not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition. In fact he admires Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies were highly respected by many Muslims. He and his associates have a special distaste for the Catholic Church and, given a choice, preferred modern liberalized Protestantism, taking the view that the best form of Christianity would be one that forsook the traditional other-worldly focus on personal salvation and accommodated itself to the requirements of a program for social justice to be implemented by the state. He also considers the possibility that Christianity might eventually have to be abandoned altogether in favor of a return to paganism, a worldview his supporters see as more humane and truer to the heritage of their people. For he and his associates believe strongly that a people's ethnic and racial heritage was what mattered most. Some endorse a kind of cultural relativism according to which, what is true or false and right or wrong, in some sense, depends on one's ethnic worldview, and especially on what best promotes the well-being of one's ethnic group.
 

Nathaniel

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Aug 4, 2006
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I have to say no, as he is on the left in regards to economics and just sounds a little left wing for me.

Then again, I vote conservative.. so no big supprise.
 

ol' dawg

Electoral Member
Jun 25, 2005
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I wouldn't just consider voting for him, I would consider campaigning for him ... I connect with those politics.

Edit: On a re-read .. I connect with a few of his politics ... well, maybe a couple. I don't think he ever said fuddle-duddle.:wink:

Unchecked capitalism is only a benefit to the elite few. Thoughtful government regulation can be a benefit to all classes. But that's the catch, when is there ever thoughtful government regulation?

I do not put my total faith in capitalism, a just socialism is more to my liking. Universal education with modified universal healthcare is a benefit to all citizens. Canadas present healthcare system is sick, and needs some healing. I also like the government to be involved in infrastructure, providing roadways for transportation, etc.. There are areas where government regulations are essential to benefit the working class.
 

iARTthere4iam

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Jul 23, 2006
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I would not vote for him.
Though I am an artist and have many friends that are quite like this person and would probably get along with him just fine. I do not think that this person's ideas would make for a good world.
I agree with him on one point, I believe that anyone's personal morals are none of my business.
However, I disagree with him on numerous points. I am a firm believer in capitalism. I think that it is the only moral form of economics. I do not want a politician experiementing with my country's economy because of some irrational dislike for money.
This is a person that thinks the government is to be used to manipulate the citizens into some idealized form. I love animals too, and often I like to eat them. I like guns and shooting them. I am a capitalist, an athiest, a libertarian, an omnivore. I am not interested in being remade in this guy's image of what someone should want to be.
This person's activism would send me screaming from this country that I love.
 

Vicious

Electoral Member
May 12, 2006
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I'd never vote for him. I believe I know the fellow of which you speak. Never met him tho.

Born April 20th
Died April 30th at the age of 56, if my math was correct.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Oct 1, 2004
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Nice bit of spin-doctoring on the life of one of the 20th century's nastier people. No, I wouldn't vote for him, but not because of anything in the OP. I know who that describes, and I think Vicious does too (no, it's not Pierre Trudeau). It conveniently omits a lot of things that later became crucial determinants of his policies. But the privilege of naming him I think belongs to Nathaniel.

And for those of you who *would* vote for him based on that little biographical sketch, and those of you who thought positively about it even briefly, when you find out who it describes you can consider it a useful demonstration of why you shouldn't believe everything you read, or think one source will give you the whole story.
 

Nathaniel

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Aug 4, 2006
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Dexter, it is an acurate description, and really what the man believes, infact it is what pretty much everyone thought of him for a very long time period.

I left a big hint, although I changed the tense. I should have changed the gender, but that's okay.. I think my point is clear.

As I am sure you know vicious is correct.
 

Nathaniel

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Aug 4, 2006
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"Yes, it's a shame that Adolph Hitler died before his time. He would have made a great presidential candidate for the far left who comprise the base of the New Democratic Party. He would have shown those neocons the true power of the left. He sympathized with Islam, hated Jews, exalted hedonism and was willing to assume responsibility for all our lives."

- quoted slightly edited
 

Dexter Sinister

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Oct 1, 2004
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Re: RE: Would You Vote For This Man?

Nathaniel said:
He would have made a great presidential candidate for the far left who comprise the base of the New Democratic Party...He sympathized with Islam, hated Jews, exalted hedonism and was willing to assume responsibility for all our lives."

Yeah, I knew the biographical sketch was about Hitler, but that quote's a bit of a stretch. The base of the NDP is not really the far left, and I strongly doubt that hating Jews and exalting hedonism would find much favour among NDP members. I'd agree that the political left wants to assume responsibility for all our lives, which is one of the reasons I don't vote that way (I'll take responsibility for my own life, thank you very much), but the NDP is much more benign than that quote would suggest.
 

Kreskin

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Feb 23, 2006
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One elected official who utilizes camps to house specific races of people idefinitely without charge is not a member of the NDP.
 

Nathaniel

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Aug 4, 2006
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Kreskin I would never really say that an NDP would want what you said.

Hating Jews though isn't too far of a stretch. After all the NDP are the most unanimous in there campaigning against Israel, and are obviously against Israel's right to defend itself.

If hitler was Canadian and 20 years old in this time, he would have joined the NDP.