Would a depression put us at risk of war?

[darkbeaver]

WW111 has already started. What I find odd is how many here discount that statement. Millions have already died in this war. Is it the incremental escalation that fools us into disbelief? We have war dead beling shipped home in boxes, when will we wake up to the future? Like Lone Wolf said War is very profitable bussiness. Don't be fooled by the stalemate of MAD that no longer applies in the age of the neo-con who are of course quite convinced that they can wage and win a nuclear war. Why else do they encourage it at every turn? I believe the only win left for the bankers is total war the same place they have hidden many times in the past.

 

[JBeee]

WW111 has already started. What I find odd is how many here discount that statement. Millions have already died in this war. Is it the incremental escalation that fools us into disbelief? We have war dead beling shipped home in boxes, when will we wake up to the future? Like Lone Wolf said War is very profitable bussiness. Don't be fooled by the stalemate of MAD that no longer applies in the age of the neo-con who are of course quite convinced that they can wage and win a nuclear war. Why else do they encourage it at every turn? I believe the only win left for the bankers is total war the same place they have hidden many times in the past.

#%$^-off man!:smile:

 

[MHz]

Who are the combatants? What would cause a Civil War in the US?

The who is the residents, the why could be any number of reasons, collapse of the money supply (due to Wall Street and Banking bailouts)is only one of many possibilities. Put a couple of 100 million people on the hook for trillions and trillions so the investors (10% of the richest Americans) don't have to suffer any 'hardships' and somebody is going to be very pissed. Wars can start from a single shot.

 

[Machjo]

Darkbeaver. You say WWIII hs begun already. I' can neither acknowledge nor refute your claimuntil you explain what you mean by that. Please define WWIII.

Yes Canada is at war in Afghanistan, but that's a pretty limited field of battle compared to a global conflagration that would involve continents.

And some here are suggesting civil war in the US> If that happens, Canada would be in a mess too, with Quebec, the First Nations, et. We'd likely fall into our own civil war if this happens, and likely the two civil wars would get entagled as there are overlapping ethnic groups on both sides.

Or are we suggesting an ideological civil war? If so, the two civil wars would integrate awful quickly.

Again, I don't believe either of these will happen. I acknowledge the possibility of such eventualities, but am still confident that they are easily avoidable if we want to avoid them. I'm just surprised at the Biblical arguments that were so quickly presented in this thread.

And yes it would be wise to adopt policies that help to eliminate the extremes of wealth and destitution as a step to avoid the clamities mentioned here. With excessive wealth and poverty, of course the danger of some kind of war, be it civil or global, increases.

 

[darkbeaver]

Darkbeaver. You say WWIII hs begun already. I' can neither acknowledge nor refute your claimuntil you explain what you mean by that. Please define WWIII.

Yes Canada is at war in Afghanistan, but that's a pretty limited field of battle compared to a global conflagration that would involve continents.

And some here are suggesting civil war in the US> If that happens, Canada would be in a mess too, with Quebec, the First Nations, et. We'd likely fall into our own civil war if this happens, and likely the two civil wars would get entagled as there are overlapping ethnic groups on both sides.

Or are we suggesting an ideological civil war? If so, the two civil wars would integrate awful quickly.

Again, I don't believe either of these will happen. I acknowledge the possibility of such eventualities, but am still confident that they are easily avoidable if we want to avoid them. I'm just surprised at the Biblical arguments that were so quickly presented in this thread.

And yes it would be wise to adopt policies that help to eliminate the extremes of wealth and destitution as a step to avoid the clamities mentioned here. With excessive wealth and poverty, of course the danger of some kind of war, be it civil or global, increases.

What's in a title? WW2.75, WW3,WW3.25, there never has been a beginning or end to war so it's saner to just examine the arms business and the conflict death toll and declare the war that's actually never stopped. WW3 if you like. No ammount of legislation or regulation can prevent power pyramiding I guess and it's time to get serious about preservation of the species in the classless way. A sea change in scocialization that evolution can't address by time constraints I guess. Our history thus far has been catostrophic invention of high necessity, we should take advantage of the billowing catostophic near future to make some vital societal remodling maybe, or we could just go extinct according to natures safeguards for the others. Conflict has already rooted nicely in Mexico, there's a reason for the turn to urban combat training a couple of decades ago I guess, you see when the host mini-empire has been sucked dry by the banking vampires a nice confusing civil war wipes out a lot of tracks I suppose and you have to put that looted gold to work or loose in the market. War excellerates economic and military industrial invention through dire necessity, literally performance enhanced and obtained by the gun to the head method. The bible is a long chronical of war and conquest we obviously haven't learned even that from the scriptures.

 

[pgs]

So jbeee you celebrated 9/11 .
Good for you.You are a hero.:angryfire:

 

[darkbeaver]

So jbeee you celebrated 9/11 .
Good for you.You are a hero.:angryfire:

Many people see 911 as a punch in the collective American head that was long overdue and revel in the discomfort the event causes that nation as a whole of course the unfortunate initial victims were innocent and should be seen that way. However the victims of 911 now number over twenty million I guess, with about 3 billion others directly threatend by the escalation of conflict all seemingly to exact American revenge, so, many people are now concerned about just how much blood will be required to sooth American taste for murderous domination and destruction of little girls and boys in say the streets of Falujas all over the world.

 

[Machjo]

What's in a title? WW2.75, WW3,WW3.25, there never has been a beginning or end to war so it's saner to just examine the arms business and the conflict death toll and declare the war that's actually never stopped. WW3 if you like. No ammount of legislation or regulation can prevent power pyramiding I guess and it's time to get serious about preservation of the species in the classless way. A sea change in scocialization that evolution can't address by time constraints I guess. Our history thus far has been catostrophic invention of high necessity, we should take advantage of the billowing catostophic near future to make some vital societal remodling maybe, or we could just go extinct according to natures safeguards for the others. Conflict has already rooted nicely in Mexico, there's a reason for the turn to urban combat training a couple of decades ago I guess, you see when the host mini-empire has been sucked dry by the banking vampires a nice confusing civil war wipes out a lot of tracks I suppose and you have to put that looted gold to work or loose in the market. War excellerates economic and military industrial invention through dire necessity, literally performance enhanced and obtained by the gun to the head method. The bible is a long chronical of war and conquest we obviously haven't learned even that from the scriptures.

You do have some points here. Much corruption in politics and banking (and no I'm not saying that every single banker is corrupt). Now as for war, I believe war might be necessary on some conditions, but to make sure it is a just war, we need controls. One control could be to require UN approval for any war not in direct self defence.

As for redistribution of wealth, this is not a uniquely socialist issue. Even some conservatives will argue that we could redistribute wealth via restructuring of the free market itself not simply through more government in the economy.

Now I'm not a rabid dogmatic anti-socialist, and do acknowledge some good points in socialism even if I'm not a socialist myself. One possibility would be for moderates on all sides of the political spectrum to work together to create a more just world. But this would mean that conservatives would have to turn their backs on corporate friends, and socialists on the labour movement. Both sides would have to look at the broader international picture, acknowledge good ideas on both sides, with socialists acknowledging that poverty takes priority over pet projects like art funding or official bilingualism, and conservatives that poverty takes priority over tax cuts. If all sides could work together, maybe we could get something done. We could probably save money too by sharing a common military force with another nation, but then we'd have to drop the fetish of nationalism. Sharing a common currency woudl make trade more efficient too, but again nationalism woudl have to give way to a healthy patriotism. The money saved from this could go to help the poor, education, etc.

So much money wasted everywhere on nationalistic fetishes whle people starve. Yet the NDP is just as much at fault as the Conservatives with its labour hand outs. Labour earns more than many others in the country on average. If the NDP were serious about helping the poor, it would break with labour unions. If not, then we know where it's true heart is.