Worrying trend in Arab-Israeli Coflict.
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RE: Worrying trend in Ara
US and Isreal is what I would say. But Iran is not planning to attack Isreal themselves.
Iran 'not planning Israel attack'
Iran says it has no intention to attack Israel despite a call by its president to have it "wiped off the map".
Iran's foreign ministry said Tehran respected the UN charter and had never used or threatened to use force.
But it also rejected a UN Security Council statement condemning President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over his comments.
US and Isreal is what I would say. But Iran is not planning to attack Isreal themselves.
Iran 'not planning Israel attack'
Iran says it has no intention to attack Israel despite a call by its president to have it "wiped off the map".
Iran's foreign ministry said Tehran respected the UN charter and had never used or threatened to use force.
But it also rejected a UN Security Council statement condemning President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over his comments.
MMMike said:
Perhaps Israel should not have been Occupying Palastan for 38 years and slaughtering its leaders. Perhaps Israel should not have Occupied Lebanon until 2 years ago. And which country do you suppose is providing Israel the cash to supply the military in order to maintain these occupations. The U.S. And which countries do you suppose pushed for the creation of Israel in Palastine so the Jews wouldn't be underfoot in their countries?
Please read carefully
Let's not Forget to Expel Israel Too
Now that Iran’s president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the lead story because of his remarks about Israel, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on Thursday called for Iran to be expelled from the U.N., saying "a state which calls for the destruction of another people cannot be a member of the United Nations." Israeli Vice-Premier Shimon Peres said that Iran should be expelled from the United Nations as a result of his comments.
The UN released a statement, saying "Calls for violence, and for the destruction of any state, are manifestly inconsistent with any claim to be a mature and responsible member of the international community," the EU leaders said in a statement.
Absolutely right. So let’s be fair and balanced and give the Ariel Sharon and others their chance to voice their opinions:
-- "If only it would sink into the sea". Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin referring to Gaza, just before signing the Oslo Accords.
“I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child's existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do." Ariel Sharon, current Prime Minister, in an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." Benjamin Netanyahu: Speech at Bar-Ilan University, 1989
"We must expel Arabs and take their places." David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
"[I advocate] using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes [and] against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment. [I do not understand] the squeamishness about the use of gas [...] We cannot in any circumstamstances acquiesce in the non-utilisation of any weapons which are available to procure a speedy termination of the disorder which prevails on the frontier.” Winston Churchill, then Secretary of State at the British War Office, authorising RAF Middle East Command to attack rebelling Iraqis with chemical weapons, 1919
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
“The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." Israeli Prime Minister Menahim Begin in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
Why wasn’t Israel expelled from the UN as a result of these remarks, as Peres demands of Iran?
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Now who is the poision in the Middle East. Every quote here can easily be googled and traced. How come no UN summit to denounce Israel for these statements.
Let's not Forget to Expel Israel Too
Now that Iran’s president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the lead story because of his remarks about Israel, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on Thursday called for Iran to be expelled from the U.N., saying "a state which calls for the destruction of another people cannot be a member of the United Nations." Israeli Vice-Premier Shimon Peres said that Iran should be expelled from the United Nations as a result of his comments.
The UN released a statement, saying "Calls for violence, and for the destruction of any state, are manifestly inconsistent with any claim to be a mature and responsible member of the international community," the EU leaders said in a statement.
Absolutely right. So let’s be fair and balanced and give the Ariel Sharon and others their chance to voice their opinions:
-- "If only it would sink into the sea". Israeli Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin referring to Gaza, just before signing the Oslo Accords.
“I don't know something called International Principles. I vow that I'll burn every Palestinian child (that) will be born in this area. The Palestinian woman and child is more dangerous than the man, because the Palestinian child's existence infers that generations will go on, but the man causes limited danger. I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him. With one hit I've killed 750 Palestinians (in Rafah in 1956). I wanted to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian women is a slave for Jews, and we do whatever we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we tell others what they shall do." Ariel Sharon, current Prime Minister, in an interview with General Ouze Merham, 1956
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." Benjamin Netanyahu: Speech at Bar-Ilan University, 1989
"We must expel Arabs and take their places." David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
"[I advocate] using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes [and] against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment. [I do not understand] the squeamishness about the use of gas [...] We cannot in any circumstamstances acquiesce in the non-utilisation of any weapons which are available to procure a speedy termination of the disorder which prevails on the frontier.” Winston Churchill, then Secretary of State at the British War Office, authorising RAF Middle East Command to attack rebelling Iraqis with chemical weapons, 1919
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
“The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." Israeli Prime Minister Menahim Begin in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
Why wasn’t Israel expelled from the UN as a result of these remarks, as Peres demands of Iran?
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In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 of US Copyright Law, this attributed work is provided via Thomas Paine’s Corner on a non-profit basis to facilitate understanding, research, education, and the advancement of human rights and social justice.
Now who is the poision in the Middle East. Every quote here can easily be googled and traced. How come no UN summit to denounce Israel for these statements.
If you think the Palestinians and its neighbors are any better than Israel then you have no fair balance in your insight.
The arab world has tried everything it could NOT to give Palestine sovereignty.
Jordan controlled the West Bank for 18 some years and could have given these people their independence. It did not do that.
Wealthy oil arab nations did not provide Palestine any infrastructure or jobs.
Where were the jobs? Israel had to provide them.
This sick irony has never been answered by anti-zionists or by the liberals who used to support Israel.
The arab world has tried everything it could NOT to give Palestine sovereignty.
Jordan controlled the West Bank for 18 some years and could have given these people their independence. It did not do that.
Wealthy oil arab nations did not provide Palestine any infrastructure or jobs.
Where were the jobs? Israel had to provide them.
This sick irony has never been answered by anti-zionists or by the liberals who used to support Israel.
Re: RE: Worrying trend in Arab-Israeli Coflict.
What can the Arabs do to give the Pals independence? Israel was created and carved out of Palestine. Only Palestine is the land for Palestinians.
The West Bank issue is wrong the way you have it. The West Bank is part of Jordan and was occupied by Israel until very recently when Jordan signed a piece agreement with Israel. They gave it away to the Pals. Egypt gave Gaze to them. Arab countries gave them shelter and refuge. Israel gave them MISERY and DEATH.
Go and read some history books that are not written by the Zionists and neocons like yourself.[/quote]
jimmoyer said:
What can the Arabs do to give the Pals independence? Israel was created and carved out of Palestine. Only Palestine is the land for Palestinians.
The West Bank issue is wrong the way you have it. The West Bank is part of Jordan and was occupied by Israel until very recently when Jordan signed a piece agreement with Israel. They gave it away to the Pals. Egypt gave Gaze to them. Arab countries gave them shelter and refuge. Israel gave them MISERY and DEATH.
Go and read some history books that are not written by the Zionists and neocons like yourself.[/quote]
From 1948 to 1967 Jordan controlled the West Bank.
During that time Jordan, and the rest of the Arab world could have :
1. used the oil money to create infrastructure
2. used the oil money to create jobs
3. given the Palestinians sovereignty of the west bank
So just keep reading your anti-zionists diatribes and think it to be all fact.
Irony of ironies, where did the Palestinians go for jobs?
Getting rid of Israel, the only job producing country and democracy that even disagrees with itself while facing annihlation would be a world disgrace.
It's the same righteous world so concerned about the Palestinians it invested little in them, and in its so-called ignorance knew nothing of the Armenians and the Kurds who fought to have a country of their own as well.
During that time Jordan, and the rest of the Arab world could have :
1. used the oil money to create infrastructure
2. used the oil money to create jobs
3. given the Palestinians sovereignty of the west bank
So just keep reading your anti-zionists diatribes and think it to be all fact.
Irony of ironies, where did the Palestinians go for jobs?
Getting rid of Israel, the only job producing country and democracy that even disagrees with itself while facing annihlation would be a world disgrace.
It's the same righteous world so concerned about the Palestinians it invested little in them, and in its so-called ignorance knew nothing of the Armenians and the Kurds who fought to have a country of their own as well.
RE: Worrying trend in Ara
I guess we all can be very wise,when reflecting on the past...who did what,who should have done what.
The Israeli/Palestinian issue of TODAY is what counts...how it will be resolved,how it can be resolved(if it ever can),and how the participants can live with a resolution.
I am not optimistic....far too many fingers in the pie,far too many interests being pursued(national,international,religious,political)
I guess we all can be very wise,when reflecting on the past...who did what,who should have done what.
The Israeli/Palestinian issue of TODAY is what counts...how it will be resolved,how it can be resolved(if it ever can),and how the participants can live with a resolution.
I am not optimistic....far too many fingers in the pie,far too many interests being pursued(national,international,religious,political)
There are several good indicators for a better chance for both Israel and Palestine:
1. Arafat is dead, thus freeing up the current PLO President (who had earlier resigned under Arafat protesting PLO corruption and Israeli intransigence) to improve the bureaucracy and the honor of the PLO.
2. The wall being built has prevented many a walkin suicide bomber. Hasn't stopped them all, but put a big end to a lot of it. By stopping a lot of the suicide bombers, it saved Israel from retaliating and stopped a number of vicious circles of revenge by both.
Some of the wall has encroached West Bank territory, but overall the effect of the Wall has stopped a lot of vicious circles of violence.
3. Complete Gaza withdrawal. Complete.
4. And some West Bank withdrawals have started.
5. Now it is up to the Palestinians to react with less violence if progress is to keep on ---- whether they have a right to or not.
1. Arafat is dead, thus freeing up the current PLO President (who had earlier resigned under Arafat protesting PLO corruption and Israeli intransigence) to improve the bureaucracy and the honor of the PLO.
2. The wall being built has prevented many a walkin suicide bomber. Hasn't stopped them all, but put a big end to a lot of it. By stopping a lot of the suicide bombers, it saved Israel from retaliating and stopped a number of vicious circles of revenge by both.
Some of the wall has encroached West Bank territory, but overall the effect of the Wall has stopped a lot of vicious circles of violence.
3. Complete Gaza withdrawal. Complete.
4. And some West Bank withdrawals have started.
5. Now it is up to the Palestinians to react with less violence if progress is to keep on ---- whether they have a right to or not.
Did you know Jim,
that there are more Palestinians in Jordan than there are Jordanians?
Creating Israel was the biggest disaster since the second world war and we can thank the U.S. for that mess. What the hell, there are lots of American messes around the world.
that there are more Palestinians in Jordan than there are Jordanians?
Creating Israel was the biggest disaster since the second world war and we can thank the U.S. for that mess. What the hell, there are lots of American messes around the world.
You can thank the western world for creating ISRAEL.
Read your history of 1948 as Britain caved into the massive population invasion of Jews to the shore of Palestine.
We cry about illegal immigration today in America.
This 1948 migration from war torn Europe and Russia was a tsunami that hit Brit Palestine. A tidal wave.
It forced the hand of Britain.
The population invasion was a fait accompli before any governmental decree or UN decision was made to amend for the holocaust.
Read your history of 1948 as Britain caved into the massive population invasion of Jews to the shore of Palestine.
We cry about illegal immigration today in America.
This 1948 migration from war torn Europe and Russia was a tsunami that hit Brit Palestine. A tidal wave.
It forced the hand of Britain.
The population invasion was a fait accompli before any governmental decree or UN decision was made to amend for the holocaust.
Israel has withdrawn from the Gaza Strip.
Read about the Palestinians who worked in the horticulture gardens there who miss the Israel knowledge and efficiency of running those business.
These Palestinians lament how the extremists ruined those businesses, all out of self-righteous fervor.
Read about the Palestinians who worked in the horticulture gardens there who miss the Israel knowledge and efficiency of running those business.
These Palestinians lament how the extremists ruined those businesses, all out of self-righteous fervor.
RE: Worrying trend in Ara
One bit of positive news:
Egypt opposition parties revel in freedom to campaign
Mubarak has been forced to open political system.
Cairo -- As a quarter-mile-long human train snaked its way through the winding, trash-strewn alleys of the Cairo slum of Mattariya last weekend, the well-disciplined cadres chanted: "Who are we? Who are we? We're the Muslim Brotherhood."
Unfettered by government harassment for the first time, the Islamic organization has emerged as the biggest threat to Egypt's ruling party in this year's parliamentary elections, which start today and will continue in three stages over the next month.
After 24 years of authoritarian rule, the government of President Hosni Mubarak is facing unrest at home and pressure from Washington to open its political system to democratic forces. The elections are seen as a test of the commitment of the reforms it promised during the country's first multicandidate presidential election in September.
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I think that is a good step and hopefully more countries in the area follow.
One bit of positive news:
Egypt opposition parties revel in freedom to campaign
Mubarak has been forced to open political system.
Cairo -- As a quarter-mile-long human train snaked its way through the winding, trash-strewn alleys of the Cairo slum of Mattariya last weekend, the well-disciplined cadres chanted: "Who are we? Who are we? We're the Muslim Brotherhood."
Unfettered by government harassment for the first time, the Islamic organization has emerged as the biggest threat to Egypt's ruling party in this year's parliamentary elections, which start today and will continue in three stages over the next month.
After 24 years of authoritarian rule, the government of President Hosni Mubarak is facing unrest at home and pressure from Washington to open its political system to democratic forces. The elections are seen as a test of the commitment of the reforms it promised during the country's first multicandidate presidential election in September.
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I think that is a good step and hopefully more countries in the area follow.