World Cup Thread

Blackleaf

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Toro said:
Portugal beat England, nothing else matters. 'Nuff said.

My prediction today

Germany 2 Italy 1

The Italians will have to hope that it doesn't go to a penalty shoot-out because Italy have never won a penalty shoot-out in the World Cup.

I just hope they'll cheat their way past the Germans in normal time.
 

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fifiindepeg said:
all you gentleman,especially" blackleaf" need to get over it.
this world cup is supposed to be about unity and ending racism and yet the racial insults are just flying.

What racial insults are these? I can't see any racial insults anywhere.

And as for "unity" and "fair play", how many times do you see England cheat during a tournament? When was the last time an England player dived to the ground pretending to be in agony to try and get an opponent sent off? Take Wayne Rooney - just 3 minutes before his sending off, a Portugal player tried to foul him. Rooney could have decided to fall over, get a free kick and get the opponent booked. But no. He decided to stay on his feet and play the game. But if it was an England player trying to foul a Portuguese in that instance, the Portuguese player would have gone to ground and rolled on the grass for a few yards and screaming in "agony". It only takes a gust of wind these days for a Portuguese, an Italian, an Argentinian or a Dutchman to fall onto the floor.

When you compare the English team to the Italians, the Argentinians, the French, the Dutch and the Germans, we're very clean and honest. The English aren't renowned all over the world for their sense of fair play for nothing.




refresh my memory, but when was the last time england won a world or european cup?
The last time was 1966. But remember that, including the qualifying rounds, around 204 countries have competed in the World Cup since it started in 1930 but only 7 have ever won it. There are 207 members of FIFA - only Comoros, Bhutan and East Timor have never competed in the World Cup.

Brazil have won it 5 times, Germany (though mainly as West Germany) and Italy have won it 3 times, Argentina and Uruguay have won it twice, and England and France have won it once. So, when you consider that, since 1930, 204 countries have competed to win the World Cup but only 7 have ever won it, winning it just once is a fantastic record. And, by reaching the Quarter Final of this year's World Cup, it means that England have to be considered one of the World Top 8 teams.

But, if you are talking about CLUB football, that's a different story. English football teams have won more Europeans trophies (the European Cup, the UEFA Cup, the Cup Winners' Cup, etc etc) than teams from any other nations. English teams have reached the Final of the European Cup on the last 2 occasions - in 2005, when Liverpool beat AC Milan, and 2006 when Arsenal lost against Barcelona. Middlesbrough also reached the UEFA Cup Final this year. And English teams have by far the ebst record in winning Europeans Cup Finals than teams from any other country.

I think we put club football above international football in this country.
 

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Rooney: I'm the victim
DUNCAN CASTLES reports from Marienfeld, Daily Mail

4th July 2006




Wayne Rooney insisted last night that his stamp on Portugal's Ricardo Carvalho in Saturday's World Cup quarter-final was entirely accidental.



Rooney, commenting for the first time since the red card that ended his and England's tournament, issued a statement saying he had always played the game fairly and that only a loss of balance caused his left boot to land in Carvalho's groin.

He said: 'I'm bitterly disappointed to have been sent off in a World Cup finals match for England.'

Referee Horacio Elizondo (needless to say - an Argentinian) confirmed that he dismissed the Manchester United striker for stamping rather than pushing Cristiano Ronaldo.

But Rooney said: 'I remember the incident clearly and have seen it several times since on TV. I am of the same opinion now as I was at the time: that what happened didn't warrant a red card.

'If anything, I feel we should have had a free-kick for the fouls committed on me during the same incident. I want to say absolutely categorically that I did not intentionally put my foot down on Ricardo Carvalho. He slid in from behind me and unfortunately ended up in a position where my foot was inevitably going to end up as I kept my balance. That's all there was to it.

'If you ask any player — and indeed almost any fan — they will tell you I am straight and honest in the way I play. From what I've seen in the World Cup, most players would have gone to ground at the slightest contact but my only thought then was to keep possession for England.'

Rooney is believed to have been encouraged to set the record straight by his club manager Sir Alex Ferguson.

And in his statement he also denied reports that he had vowed to 'split Cristiano Ronaldo in two' for his Manchester United team-mate's attempts to encourage the referee to send him off.

He said: 'When the referee produced the red card I was amazed — gobsmacked. I bear no ill feeling to Cristiano but I am disappointed he chose to get involved.

'I suppose I do, though, have to remember on that particular occasion we were not team-mates.'

'I'm not a referee with the power to send off anyone. Nor do I have the moral authority to convince him to show cards'

Elizondo denied that he had been influenced by Ronaldo.

He said: 'It was a clear red card, so I didn't react to the Portuguese players. There was pushing and shoving on both sides but for me it wasn't a reason to caution anybody.

'In general I don't pay much attention to that sort of thing because I don't care about the pressure on my shoulders during a match.

'People can say what they want, but this had absolutely no influence. It was violent play and therefore Rooney got a red card.'

Elizondo added: 'In general I am very satisfied with the spirit of fair play in the match. Sven Goran Eriksson went to the locker room after the match and congratulated me for an excellent performance and said I was right to send off Rooney because it was rough play.'

He rejected claims that he failed to book several Portuguese players for diving. 'I only give yellow cards for clear diving and I don't think there was any.'

Earlier yesterday, Ronaldo had issued a statement of his own, responding to a barrage of criticism of his supposed gamesmanship and insisting that his relationship with Rooney remained strong.

'Barbaric things were said about me and my team-mate and friend Rooney,' wrote Ronaldo on his agent's website. 'How is it possible to say that I helped send him off? I'm not a referee with the power to send off anyone. Nor do I have the moral authority to convince him to show cards.

'The referee showed him the red card because he thought he should do it and my part in that was zero.

'I also want to make it clear that between me and Rooney there is absolutely no problem. At the end of the game we exchanged many text messages and during Sunday, too.

'This is to reinforce that I have an excellent relationship with Rooney. Between us everything is clear. He not only congratulated me for going on in the World Cup, he told me we had a great team and for us to continue like this because we would go far.'

Whether Ronaldo continues as Rooney's team-mate at United remains open to question. He had discussed moving to Real Madrid as the headline signing of presidential candidate Juan Miguel Villar Mir.

But Mir's disputed election defeat by 55-year-old lawyer Ramon Calderon may block that route.

Calderon has promised to honour his election pledges by bringing Arsenal's Cesc Fabregas, Chelsea's Arjen Robben and AC Milan's Brazilian midfielder Kaka to the Bernabeu this summer.

Calderon was proclaimed president after claiming a narrow victory in a chaotic election campaign that saw the former club director emerge with a winning margin of just 246 over second-placed candidate Juan Palacios.

dailymail.co.uk
 

fifiindepeg

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blackleaf,thanks for clarifying.there definately appears to be a conspiracy going on.those darn crooked refs!!

look...if they keep drawing then it seems that they're evenly matched.it could've gone either way.i feel your pain,this feb.our own canadian superstar hockey team returned in shame fr. the winter olympics.so chill!!
their will be no cheating or biased officiating in todays match because the ref will be canadian.
CIAO!!
 

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fifiindepeg said:
listen i'm not keen on pretty boys but to call ronaldo a mummys boy when your entire squad was crying like babies is hipocritical.brazil left the field with dignity

The Brazilians were all in tears after their defeat in the Quarter Final against France.

did the argentines cry?

I think the Argies were in tears, and so were the Mexicans after their defeat against Argentina.

And, what's worse when you lose? Crying because you feel that you have let your country down, or fighting with your opponents as the Argies did when they attacked the Germany manager Jurgen Klinsmann and his colleagues after they were defeated on penalties?

 

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fifiindepeg said:
blackleaf,thanks for clarifying.there definately appears to be a conspiracy going on.those darn crooked refs!!
CIAO!!

Corrupt referees are rife. If you were European or South American rather than canadian, whose national sport is nothing but soccer on ice, you'd know that.

You can't really expect an Argentinian referee during a football match to be kind to England, just as you wouldn't expect an English referee to be kind to Scotland or France.
 

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why are the germans singing "you'll never walk alone" by Gerry and the pacemakers?...dont they have their own songs?...why do they have to keep stealing our old music????
 

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WOW what a game!!! I agree with Toro best game of the tourney. A giant round of applause for that German team, man can they run! But so glad that the Italians played up to their caliber!!!! Va L'Italia!!!! Siamo Numero Uno!!!!!!!
 

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Classy game, on both sides, Italy were amazing....sorry I've gotta calm down, first it was David Hasselhoff, then "Football's coming home" By Baddiel and Skinner, now it's bloody "You'll never walk alone!!!!" they couldnt even sing it in german!!!!! arghhhhhhhhh

couldnt they just sing some wagner?
 

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fifiindepeg said:
glossprincess , i didn't intend to ruffle your feathers. hey...i'm canadian,i'm a nice gal.go back and read my original comment, there wasn't an insult in there.it is because i am a newbie that i can be objective,your words certainly do not encourage any new members.
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Don't worry about "Princess" she stands up to her name. NO one else has been critical of the options of " newbies as she called us" I also had to endure her "you are not allowed an opinion as you have never been here before". You comments are appreciated as are everyones here including "Princess" but as she found out I will not tolerate her attitude regardless!!! GO ITALY GO!
 

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fuflans said:
Great game! I bet you're having a good day, canadianitalian! :)

Thank you I appreciated the comment. Having a great day! Just thankful it didn't go to a shootout I think that I would not been having a great day if it did! LOL ;)
 

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No problem with Buffon he is worth the 75 million, problem is that we never win in a shootout, LOL, as our record shows.
 

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He won't be worth $75 million when Juve are playing in Serie C!

DUISBURG, Germany, July 4 (Reuters) - Hours before their World Cup semi-final against hosts Germany eight of Italy's likely starting line-up received the news their clubs could be relegated from top flight soccer.

On Tuesday, the prosecutor in Italy's match-fixing trial against four clubs - Juventus, AC Milan, Fiorentina and Lazio - said he wanted all of them demoted from the top flight Serie A with Juventus relegated to the third tier Serie C or below.

While the prosecutor's request is by no means certain to be agreed to by a tribunal in Rome, his demands were much tougher than many observers had expected.

...continued

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=373236&cc=5901

And congrats CI.

Italy are a worthy finalist.
 

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canadianitalian said:
Don't worry about "Princess" she stands up to her name. NO one else has been critical of the options of " newbies as she called us" I also had to endure her "you are not allowed an opinion as you have never been here before". You comments are appreciated as are everyones here including "Princess" but as she found out I will not tolerate her attitude regardless!!! GO ITALY GO!

Ok, firstly, congrats to Italy. That was a great game and 2 magnificent goals! They deserved to win that game but I still dont want them to win the tournament!! ALLEZ LES BLEUS!!!!

SECONDLY, I never said anything about not being allowed to have an opinion. When I first joined this forum, there were a LOT of comments and a lot of members that pissed me off, but I kept my mouth shut till I got to know the forum and the people a bit better. To me, thats just common courtesy. You wouldnt go up to a stranger on a street and start insulting them, would you?! So why do that here?!?!

And dont refer to me as 'Princess'.....that name along with Glossy, are nicknames that I accept only from people I respect.

As for your name, if you read my post in one of the other topics regarding immigrants and their attitudes to their new countries....you'll see that I have zero tolerance for 'fence-sitters'. By all means, be proud of your background, but pick a country and be proud of it and support it 100%. Especially a country as great as Italy or Canada. None of this 'I have 2 nationalities' bullshit.