Work From Home Legislation

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The other day I was thinking about work from home legislation becoming permanent in Canada and the US as it is becoming in Europe.


This is a clever little ploy by so-called progressives to create even further division within the working class.
The biggest problem with it is there are jobs that simply can't be done from home. This will help create a new economic separation of the working class instead of making things more "equal" as the proggies like to claim as one of their goals.


It may seem small but the fact is, this creates a class of workers who won't have to spend a portion of their paycheque every week to earn their paycheque every week while others will still have no choice. And I sure don't see the ol' employment expense deduction making a come-back, at all!


Let's say I work in an office environment making $100,000/yr and you work in a factory making $60,000/yr. Work from home legislation gets enacted and suddenly I have no expenses in getting to work. Meanwhile, you have to continue spending money on rising costs like gas, insurance, maintenance and repairs, etc just to get to work which just widens the income gap between you and I. And for no good reason really.
 
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Jinentonix said:
The other day I was thinking about work from home legislation becoming permanent in Canada and the US as it is becoming in Europe.


This is a clever little ploy by so-called progressives to create even further division within the working class.
The biggest problem with it is there are jobs that simply can't be done from home. This will help create a new economic separation of the working class instead of making things more "equal" as the proggies like to claim as one of their goals.


It may seem small but the fact is, this creates a class of workers who won't have to spend a portion of their paycheque every week to earn their paycheque every week while others will still have no choice. And I sure don't see the ol' employment expense deduction making a come-back, at all!


Let's say I work in an office environment making $100,000/yr and you work in a factory making $60,000/yr. Work from home legislation gets enacted and suddenly I have no expenses in getting to work. Meanwhile, you have to continue spending money on rising costs like gas, insurance, maintenance and repairs, etc just to get to work which just widens the income gap between you and I. And for no good reason really.
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If one can work from home, that is better. You use less resources wasted on commuting. It is safer. You do have to make sure you have high speed internet and likely some sort of smartphone/cellphone.


If you are at a job which you must come into the office, the employer should give you a travel allowance. They can take it out of the huge amount of money they will be saving on rent in downtown Toronto and other cities. Perhaps the government can re-enstate the tax credit for transit passes.


I don't view working from home as a bad thing. It is bad for:
  • commercial landlords
  • upscale wardrobe sellers
  • downtown restaurants
  • transit operators depending on fares as part of their financing
 
Tecumsehsbones

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DAMN all those farmers and shopkeepers and small craftspeople who lived on or above their workplaces! They were SCREWWWWWWWWING us hardworking folk!

There was a time when living withing walking distance of work was the norm. Were they EEE-vil class warriors?
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
DAMN all those farmers and shopkeepers and small craftspeople who lived on or above their workplaces! They were SCREWWWWWWWWING us hardworking folk!
There was a time when living withing walking distance of work was the norm. Were they EEE-vil class warriors?
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Of course
 
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I think Commercial Real estate is about to take a big hit.

With many companies realizing their employees can do the same job from home, they'll be second guessing whether they really need all of that Office space and tony address downtown.
 
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Hoof Hearted said:
I think Commercial Real estate is about to take a big hit.
With many companies realizing their employees can do the same job from home, they'll be second guessing whether they really need all of that Office space and tony address downtown.
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Already well underway, has been for several years. Smaller office spaces, office sharing, hoteling, cubicles. Fewer in-house libraries, fewer conference rooms, fewer offices. Far less secretarial space.

Progress. It all benefits the corporations. This time it happens to benefit the workers too. That's probably what Jin is so upset about.
 
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IdRatherBeSkiing said:
If one can work from home, that is better. You use less resources wasted on commuting. It is safer. You do have to make sure you have high speed internet and likely some sort of smartphone/cellphone.


If you are at a job which you must come into the office, the employer should give you a travel allowance. They can take it out of the huge amount of money they will be saving on rent in downtown Toronto and other cities. Perhaps the government can re-enstate the tax credit for transit passes.


I don't view working from home as a bad thing. It is bad for:
  • commercial landlords
  • upscale wardrobe sellers
  • downtown restaurants
  • transit operators depending on fares as part of their financing
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You and your neighbour earn pretty much the same income but he works in an office and you work someplace where it's impossible to do your job from home. Work from home legislation gets enacted. Your neighbour suddenly gets to keep more of his hard-earned money than you because they get to keep a portion of their paycheque that you're still spending yours on to get to work. Let's assume your neighbour drove to work before. He's not only getting to keep more of is paycheque than you, he could also benefit from reduced car insurance premiums because he's no longer using his vehicle to go to and from work everyday. And then, if things go the way my wife predicts, people working form home will eventually be allowed to deduct a portion of their rent/mortgage because they're forced to use a room in their house as an office. It's only fair right? If self-employed people can make that deduction, it follows to reason that employees working from home would be given that same benefit.



You're thinking purely from an economic POV. I'm looking at it from a socioeconomic POV. It will just create more divisions within a socioeconomic class.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
Already well underway, has been for several years. Smaller office spaces, office sharing, hoteling, cubicles. Fewer in-house libraries, fewer conference rooms, fewer offices. Far less secretarial space.

Progress. It all benefits the corporations. This time it happens to benefit the workers too. That's probably what Jin is so upset about.
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SOME workers. Which will create even more division among workers, even in the same socioeconomic class. Divide and conquer. That's the extremist way.
 
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SOME workers. Which will create even more division among workers, even in the same socioeconomic class. Divide and conquer. That's the extremist way.
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Um. . . that's pretty much everybody's way.

I imagine a good round of socialist legislation to equalize outcomes'd fix it. Just as long as the rich folk don't get equalized.
 
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Without work from home our economy would have collapsed months ago.
 
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Jinentonix said:
You and your neighbour earn pretty much the same income but he works in an office and you work someplace where it's impossible to do your job from home. Work from home legislation gets enacted. Your neighbour suddenly gets to keep more of his hard-earned money than you because they get to keep a portion of their paycheque that you're still spending yours on to get to work. Let's assume your neighbour drove to work before. He's not only getting to keep more of is paycheque than you, he could also benefit from reduced car insurance premiums because he's no longer using his vehicle to go to and from work everyday. And then, if things go the way my wife predicts, people working form home will eventually be allowed to deduct a portion of their rent/mortgage because they're forced to use a room in their house as an office. It's only fair right? If self-employed people can make that deduction, it follows to reason that employees working from home would be given that same benefit.



You're thinking purely from an economic POV. I'm looking at it from a socioeconomic POV. It will just create more divisions within a socioeconomic class.
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I live in Scarborough. My co-worker lives in Oshawa. We go to same office in downtown Toronto. He spends 45 more minutes in trains than I do and pays twice as much in fares. We earn the same amount of $. Also not fair but just like the work from home scenario, just life.
 
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Without work from home millions of kids would have lost an entire year (and counting) of school.

Work from home is our salvation
 
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