Woman mauled to death by tiger in B.C. Interior

[Zzarchov]

Any animal can be domesticated with Time, Cats are wild animals too , so are dogs. If you don't think so, wait till you find feral ones.

So the concept that some animals are "pets" and others are "wild" is a bit silly, What some animals are is so powerful that the master/pet mindset doesn't go into place. You'll never convince a 2 tonne grizzley bear for instance that 150lb you are the master.

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I'd also like to point out, Raccoons can make great pets.

 

[Josephine]

Any animal can be domesticated with Time, Cats are wild animals too , so are dogs. If you don't think so, wait till you find feral ones.

So the concept that some animals are "pets" and others are "wild" is a bit silly, What some animals are is so powerful that the master/pet mindset doesn't go into place. You'll never convince a 2 tonne grizzley bear for instance that 150lb you are the master.

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I'd also like to point out, Raccoons can make great pets.

I agree that animals can be domesticated...but that takes time...like ceturies does it not? It makes sense though, what you're saying about the size/power of the animal.

Do you have a pet racoon??? That would be crazy! They're cute...but I've seen them mate and I've seen them fight...hard to tell the difference...either way, they scare me!!!

 

[talloola]

Wow, you people are sure judgemental. I wonder if you had known Tania, like I did, if you would still be spouting off this way. She was not stupid or irresponsible, she died in a tragic accident.Her son will suffer from the memories, true. But do you think that when her 13 year old daughter surfs the web and comes across this page she will feel better because a bunch of sanctimonious jerks accuse her mother of being partly responsible for her own death? Do you think that a person attacked by the family pet,( because that happens everyday, you know) is stupid for trusting the family dog? You should consider that when you type things into a computer on a site like this that you and people like you, (judgemental, insensitive, lacking common sense) are not the only ones to read it. I am sitting here shocked, hurt and troubled that people who never knew Tania and have nothing to do with the situation are feeling the need to speak ill of her and those that she loved, tigers and boyfriend included. Why don't you find something better to do than comment on things you don't actually know anything about? Also, maybe you should consider how you might feel if someone you cared about was killed and you came across a site where people were saying the types of things some of you have said. What if it were your mother, sister, daughter or friend? Get a life.

Yes, I am very judgmental in this regard, as I am 100% on the side of the 'wild' animal, and they
are NOT anyones pet, ever.
And, yes if anyone who was killed was my relative I would not feel one tiny bit different, as I
would have had a very strong opinion about what they were doing to the animal long before they
would have been killed, and after their death, I would not have been surprised, but very very
sad, when the animal had to be put to sleep, 'BECAUSE OF THEM'.

 

[Twila]

Cats are wild animals too , so are dogs. If you don't think so, wait till you find feral ones.

I actually trap feral cats...part of my volunteering at the local no kill cat shelter here, and your right. Now imagine a fully domesticated house cat that weighed 750-1000lbs. How would you feel about that giving you playful swat? Playful...it would tear your arm off, or if it was around your upper leg would cut your femoral artery and you'd bleed out in 6-8 minutes.
Because of the house cats small size it has succeeded in becoming domesticated. Due to it's instincts and behavoirs it's only successful in that domestication because of it's small size.

 

[Niflmir]

I just wanted to point out a strange contrast in our laws. The law forbids ownership of:

• blowguns
• nunchuks
• morning stars
• throwing stars with more than two blades

but I can go own

• giraffes
• elephants
• tigers
• lions
• sharks

with no problem. Very odd.

 

[Twila]

Niflmir, it is strange. I always found it odd that an 18yr old (in some of Canada and all of the US) is not allowed to have a beer but they can sign up to fight in a war. Or give birth and be responsible for another human being but isn't responsible enough to have a drink.

 

[talloola]

Niflmir, it is strange. I always found it odd that an 18yr old (in some of Canada and all of the US) is not allowed to have a beer but he can sign up to fight in a war. Or give birth and be responsible for another human being but isn't responsible enough to have a drink.

Yeah, I agree, how silly is that, VERY.

 

[tracy]

Any animal can be domesticated with Time, Cats are wild animals too , so are dogs. If you don't think so, wait till you find feral ones.

So the concept that some animals are "pets" and others are "wild" is a bit silly.

I don't think that's silly at all. There is a big difference between an animal whose ancestors have been domesticated over the last 10 000 years and one whose ancestors were still wild a generation or two ago. We have controlled the evolution of dog breeds for long enough that a lot of them couldn't survive as feral animals and even lack the instincts necessary for it.

 

[Twila]

We have controlled the evolution of dog breeds for long enough that a lot of them couldn't survive as feral animals and even lack the instincts necessary for it.

There are actually feral dog packs in many countries. Their existence is short and brutal. But they can turn feral. The difference between wolf's/dogs and cats is that dogs are alpha oriented. They require an alpha in their pack. Imagine trying to dominate a cat? of any size. Shear idiocy.

 

[tracy]

There are actually feral dog packs in many countries. Their existence is short and brutal. But they can turn feral. The difference between wolf's/dogs and cats is that dogs are alpha oriented. They require an alpha in their pack. Imagine trying to dominate a cat? of any size. Shear idiocy.

Cats are obviously different. They aren't pack animals like dogs. All I'm saying is that a lot of dogs are completely tame. Try putting my dog out in the wild and he'd probably last less than a week. He comes from thousands of years of domestication. He is tame, and there is a very big difference between him and a wild animal.

Feral dogs don't prove that dogs are not domesticated. They show that domestication still requires socialization. Children raised without any adult influence would act wild as well, that doesn't mean that they are the same as wild animals.

 

[Zzarchov]

A tamed wolf is also very docile. Domestication makes the process easier, but with proper training as young any (small) animal will be "domestic". Ferrets are a good example of this, but cats are an equally good example. my cousin had a pet racoon as a kid, they make amazing pets (if a bit too damn crafty and good with latches and doors)

 

[tracy]

I don't think that's true. Wolves with training are still wild animals with training. As long as you don't provoke their instincts to attack you may be ok, but those instincts are still very strong. It's the human being's intelligence that keeps the wolf from attacking, not the wolf's tameness. Try bringing up a baby shark and letting it swim in the pool with your kids. Some animals are domesticated or are able to be and some aren't.

 

[Kreskin]

I had a part wolf. It was very submissive but extremely smart and cunning. It had a virtual grocery store buried in the yard. I was amazed at how it could hide food. It could also hear a flea from about 40 yards. It liked to be around people buy didn't like much petting. She seemed to get nervous if too much physical attention was paid to her.

 

[Pangloss]

Perhaps (but only perhaps) less important than the wild/domestic divide is the local/distant one.

What the hell are we doing with tigers in private cages in Canada?

As to insensitivity to the dead woman, here's a tip to her kids: stay away from really big carnivores.

Pangloss.

 

[keanay]

Tania did not own the tigers, nor was she responsible for how they were kept. She did not make a stupid decision that led to her losing her life. Maybe her boyfriend did but it is not for YOU to decide, there are no laws dictating how they should be kept. As for the ridiculous comment that you cannot make a wild animal a pet...ummm, do you think that domesticated animals started out that way? They are called domesticated because people domesticated them. I don't think that irresponsible people should have animals, especially dangerous ones, don't get me wrong. I just think it is difficult to determine which animals fall in that category. The people that owned this tiger felt affection for it and believed that they were safe, as I am sure many dog owners do right b4 Fido turns on the next door neighbour's kid. Where do you draw the line? I think pit bulls and other "fighting" dogs are dangerous but does that mean that no one should be allowed to have them? I am offended that people are calling down a dead mother, my friend, when they know next to nothing about what happened. That is my issue with what was said. I simply think that all of you that said something ignorant should be ashamed of speaking ill of the dead, especially considering you all were either mis- or un-informed.

 

[able]

I have made no comment to date. You say her boyfreind may have made a mistake, but your freind is dead. Too many people are quick to pass judgement, but you have to admit, this death does leave room for questions.

 

[Pangloss]

Tania did not own the tigers, nor was she responsible for how they were kept. She did not make a stupid decision that led to her losing her life. Maybe her boyfriend did but it is not for YOU to decide, there are no laws dictating how they should be kept. I simply think that all of you that said something ignorant should be ashamed of speaking ill of the dead, especially considering you all were either mis- or un-informed.

Keanay:

We know Tania didn't own the tigers; and going near a tiger is stupid. Was she some sort of highly trained animal handler? Not as far as the stories tell. So, yup - stupid.

Speaking ill of the dead. They're um, well - dead. Who cares how we speak of them? When we speak of the dead it is for the benefit of the living. That is why it is impossible to slander the dead.

Pangloss

 

[Twila]

Feral dogs don't prove that dogs are not domesticated. They show that domestication still requires socialization. Children raised without any adult influence would act wild as well, that doesn't mean that they are the same as wild animals.

No, your right. However earlier you said

We have controlled the evolution of dog breeds for long enough that a lot of them couldn't survive as feral animals and even lack the instincts necessary for it.

To which I replied that we do in fact have feral dogs and that dogs CAN survive as feral animals on their own. That was it.

 

[Twila]

I simply think that all of you that said something ignorant should be ashamed of speaking ill of the dead, especially considering you all were either mis- or un-informed.

Speaking ill of the dead?! How come the dead are always such wonderful people? I know for a fact that stupid people, ignorant people, and bad people also die.

 

[missile]

The tiger was only behaving the way it is supposed to. I am sory to hear that it was put to death tho.