Will Power --- The Myth

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Hot and Cold Emotions Make Us Poor Judges



WE TEND TO EXAGGERATE THE POWER OF WILL POWER


[SIZE=-1]By Shankar Vedantam
Monday, August 6, 2007; A03
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Why would David Vitter, a U.S. senator with four young children, have gotten involved with a seedy escort service? Why would Michael Vick, a gifted NFL quarterback, get mixed up with the sordid world of dog fighting? Why would Bill Clinton, a Rhodes scholar, six-time governor and president of the United States at 46, have an affair with an intern in the Oval Office?

It isn't just men behaving badly. Remember Lisa Nowak, the married NASA astronaut who drove from Houston to Orlando (wearing diapers so she wouldn't have to make bathroom stops, police said) allegedly in order to kidnap her rival in a love triangle?

Whenever these scandals break, the rest of us shake our heads and ask, "What were they thinking?"

That feeling of incredulity is now the subject of a growing body of research. It isn't just that people find it difficult to understand or empathize with others who do crazy things. People find it very difficult to imagine how they themselves would behave when strong emotions are involved.

Studies have found that, for some reason, an enormous mental gulf separates "cold" emotional states from "hot" emotional states. When we are not hungry or thirsty or sexually aroused, we find it difficult to understand what effects those factors can have on our behavior. Similarly, when we are excited or angry, it is difficult to think about the consequences of our behavior -- outcomes that are glaringly obvious when we are in a cold emotional state.

Vitter (R-La.), for example, demanded in late June that the Title V Abstinence Education program be reauthorized: "These programs have been shown to effectively reduce the risks of out-of-wedlock pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases by teaching teenagers that saving sex until marriage and remaining faithful afterwards is the best choice for health and happiness," he declared.

A little more than two weeks later, Vitter was apologizing for a "serious sin" in his past, after his telephone number was found among the telephone lists of the alleged D.C. Madam. Hypocrisy? Possibly. But if the research is accurate, what it suggests is that Vitter-the-policymaker probably finds Vitter-the-escort-service-

client as incomprehensible as everyone else does.

"We tend to exaggerate the importance of willpower," said George Loewenstein, a professor of economics and psychology at Carnegie Mellon University who has studied the phenomenon of hot and cold emotional states and the surprisingly diverse implications of the gulf that separates them.

Many health resolutions, for example, are made when people are in a cold state. But while they may intellectually grasp the temptation of a potato chip or a cigarette, they do not appreciate in advance how visceral the desire can be -- which is why many resolutions fail when put to the test.

Psychologist Louis Giordano once asked heroin addicts on a maintenance course of the heroin substitute buprenorphine whether they would prefer an extra dose five days later or a sum of money. He found that when addicts were asked the question right before they got a dose -- when their craving was highest -- they valued the extra dose more than twice as much as addicts who had just taken their buprenorphine. The addicts who were in a craving state viscerally understood how much they would want the extra dose later; the satiated addicts, on the other hand, overestimated how easily they could do without the fix.

Similarly, when cancer researcher Maurice Slevin quizzed medical professionals about whether they would endure grueling chemotherapy to extend their lives by only a few months, fewer than one in 10 said it was worth it -- they were evaluating the question in a cold state. When he asked patients who actually had cancer the same question -- these were dying people who were in a very hot state -- nearly half said a few more weeks of life was worth the pain of chemo.

The empathy gulf between hot and cold states, Loewenstein said, might also explain why many patients are undertreated for pain. Patients viscerally experience their agony; doctors who are coolly evaluating the situation have to make a leap of imagination across the gulf that separates hot and cold states.

Other experiments have found that shoppers at grocery stores spend more when they are hungry than they do when they are full.

The empathy gap between hot and cold states not only keeps people from realizing how prone they can be to temptation but from enjoying things as much as they could: Marriage therapists, for instance, find that couples who report being uninterested in sex are usually surprised to find how much they enjoy intimacy once an encounter takes place. Couples in a cold state don't realize how they will feel once they are in a hot state.

Loewenstein said his research made it difficult for him to serve on a university disciplinary committee, because he now empathizes with students who make mistakes in the heat of the moment. And when big public scandals break, he automatically thinks about the empathy gap that prompts so many people to be judgmental of others.

"Most people have their own vices," he said. "When we are dealing with our vices, we are shortsighted, impulsive and make ridiculous sacrifices to satisfy our vices. But when we see other people succumbing to their vices, we think, 'How pathetic.' "
 
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Excellent article Jimmoyer!

"Most people have their own vices," he said. "When we are dealing with our vices, we are shortsighted, impulsive and make ridiculous sacrifices to satisfy our vices. But when we see other people succumbing to their vices, we think, 'How pathetic.' "

As a recovering alcoholic (20 years sober so far) I really get what that study is talking about. If you have never experienced addiction you may have more difficulty grasping the concept. Truth is, no one was a judgemental as I was when I was drinking. "We condemn in others what we dispise in ourselves" so lack of will and judgement was met with particular disdain.

I had to chuckle ... I sat here, smoking my ciggies while writing Nike about Vick's sins. Ya, smoking isn't as "bad" as dogfighting, but vice is vice. Good wake up call!
 

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Woo Hoo Jim's Back With Us..... with an enticing article and a good response Cosmo

It seems a day of addictions - I have just pasted a slur on coffee addiction -

Now I have to take off and find a coffee pot to replace the one which went on strike in such a messy way!

Good morning too! Curio
 

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So if we stop thinking about how important will power is how is someone to stop from doing stupid things?
 

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It's lame, cliched and all too often forgotten but the old saw - if it's to be, it's up to me - should enjoy wider currency than it does.
I kinda like it.
 

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So if we stop thinking about how important will power is how is someone to stop from doing stupid things?

What an interesting question, Twila!

My first thought was: Why do we need will to stop from doing "stupid" things? Aren't we
innately drawn toward doing good and right? Is it will power I need, or is it a relaxing of my will I require to get where I want to be? Can I trust myself?

I used to be a control freak. I went from trying to control everything around me to being especially determined to exert self control ... I'd just horsewhip myself into shape with my will power. After I got sick, I learned that trying to micro-manage my every move and desire only stresses me out and makes my life crazy. If I just relax and let life happen, if I trust my instincts and myself, I almost always end up where I want and need to be. Will power was only harming me in many cases.

There are folks that are born just plain "bad". You can't convince me that Jeffrey Dahmer (f'rinstance) is anything but a case of bad wiring. The folks at the other end of the scale (Ghandi, maybe?) have exceptionally good wiring. Most of us fall somewhere between the two. I think most people (as long as their conscience is intact) are drawn toward doing the right thing.

If I am tempted to do something I know I'll regret or I know isn't "good", I always stop and look at the "why" of it. For instance if there is someone at the forums I feel cranky toward, I always know that that person is pushing some internal button. Being mean to them is a temporary feel good but over the long haul I need to understand why I feel like I do. It's not about will for me but it is about self awareness. I don't have to manage my urges with brute force. Instead I need to comprehend where they come from and have a peek at that. Kinda like you don't give someone a painkiller for chest pain when they're having a heart attack. You can stop the symptoms but if you don't fix the underlying problem it isn't effective.

When I'm inclined to do "stupid" things (like smoking!), I realize there's a deeper reason for it. Part of it is physiological and that warps my true will, but why did I begin smoking? I was a kid, in a horrible life situation, and any small pleasure I could find I took. That's where the real problem lies -- at the root or the beginning of the issue. It's not so much about will power as it is about understanding the inception of the problem.

Will power just plain doesn't work for my addictions. I've proved that over and over again in my life. And it doesn't work for managing my life these days. As it says in the article, in "hot" emotional states my will power is useless. I can't trust my instincts when my emotional state is high -- and those are the times it's most needed!

I think it's wonderful that this topic is being studied in depth. This is the sort of thing that will do more to help people overcome vices than any other type of approach. If we are using will power on something it means we dislike that thing. If we dislike something about ourselves we get mired in self loathing, shame, guilt and that whole stew of paralyzing emotions which only prevent us from getting over our issues. These studies may even help separate out the "bad wiring" from the "learned experience" problems.
 

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So, Cosmo, maybe the term will power is the misnomer? Maybe it's something else that we use to decide what is best. Like intelligence maybe? Be it emotional intelligence (the ability to know we're being hot headed at the moment and need to calm down) or intellectual intelligence (that which tells us that we're smoking for a reason and we need to find that reason in order to not smoke)

Or maybe a nicer word for it. Will power does imply something beyond our control. Something we either have or don't but can't get if we don't.
 

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It's ok to have those 'give in' days too - when will power has no control or use and we give into our emotional self - have a tantrum - have a depression - hate and will someone to grow another head - as long as we know these are temporary fixes to get the emotional garbage out of the way - so reason can take over when we've exhausted the steam coming from our ears.

Just be kind to yourself - even if you are mistreating yourself for whatever reason - know you'll pick up the love later...when you are done with the berating...
 

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hate and will someone to grow another head


Which I can attest almost never works! Once, someone grew a giant pimple which could have been considered another head...but it required quite a bit of imagination on my part.
 

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So, Cosmo, maybe the term will power is the misnomer? Maybe it's something else that we use to decide what is best. Like intelligence maybe? Be it emotional intelligence (the ability to know we're being hot headed at the moment and need to calm down) or intellectual intelligence (that which tells us that we're smoking for a reason and we need to find that reason in order to not smoke)

Or maybe a nicer word for it. Will power does imply something beyond our control. Something we either have or don't but can't get if we don't.

:lol: Ya, Twila ... that's what I was saying. I'm a wordy thang, ain't I? Intelligence trumps will power everytime in my opinion.
 

Twila

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Ya, Twila ... that's what I was saying. I'm a wordy thang, ain't I? Intelligence trumps will power everytime in my opinion.
As it should. Imagine if we left everything up to fate, destiny or this illusive will power thing....
 

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Which I can attest almost never works! Once, someone grew a giant pimple which could have been considered another head...but it required quite a bit of imagination on my part.


LOL Twila I think we could get a great television show going about things we have 'wished' for concerning people we dislike...
 
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Got a glimpse into cosmo...thanks .....

Will...hmmmmm ok this is sorta me doing my thing.....

ok like do you remember when ya wanted to listen to the third song on the vinyl record and you had to use your will to focus on the task so you wouldn't scratch your favourite record.....

There is a feeling I can touch with my mind when i recall that moment....

thats will for me...

sometimes i think the whole free will thing should be free choice....
But to make right choices sometimes means useing your will cause it's harder to do the right thing than the wrong thing....weird how the good things are harder to do....

ramble ramble......

I think when we use our will we are touching what God is or like God's true nature.....


Ramble ramble.....

Maybe when all of us were really just one.....thought of will, and we created the place to use it..And now there is all this work...NAH.....ok off to the shower
 
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Hmm....... Willpower... Inquiring minds indeed.... while watching discovery channel I found this...

The Marconis Willpower theorem: Willpower is directly proportional to the value coefficient of Human Rights. Therefore if we increase the value and multiply the Human Rights, this should give a value coefficient "self-esteem" a positive value greater than zero.

However due to=>

The George W. Bush Aryan Supremacy theorem: The value of magnitude contents of "patriot acts" is INDIRECTLY proportional to willpower of a common individual. Thus increasing magnitude coefficient constant of "patriot acts" may reduce the value of willpower equal to or less than zero.

Something to think about. Do we have Human Rights engineers here??
I see those jelly babies i gave you in the other thread didn't cheer you up.....well lad ..bend over and let me give you good ole fashioned enemma...does wonders for the libido as well....

dude i think you think us white folk still have some sort of handle on stuff you don't have....hell look at all dem rappers livin high on the hog....hell there are rich folk in india that would make trump look like he needs a handout....you got to get out more.....ok watch now here comes them fluids that'll open doors like you never knew .........wwwwwwwhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 

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It's ok to have those 'give in' days too - when will power has no control or use and we give into our emotional self - have a tantrum - have a depression - hate and will someone to grow another head - as long as we know these are temporary fixes to get the emotional garbage out of the way - so reason can take over when we've exhausted the steam coming from our ears.

Just be kind to yourself - even if you are mistreating yourself for whatever reason - know you'll pick up the love later...when you are done with the berating...

Wise words, Curio. You've been saying and re-saying versions of that to me since I met you and it's greatly appreciated. I know it, but in "hot" emotional states I forget it and it's always helpful to hear the voice of sanity.

Twila said:
As it should. Imagine if we left everything up to fate, destiny or this illusive will power thing....

Egads ... we'd all be underachievers devoid of pride and drive. I'd say the trick is finding the balance between where my will is helpful in propelling me forward and where letting go is the more effective fuel.

DocDred said:
But to make right choices sometimes means useing your will cause it's harder to do the right thing than the wrong thing....weird how the good things are harder to do
Easier in the short term, harder in the long run I've learned. For me it's about delayed gratification -- which I'm not real great at! Maybe a sign of maturity is (for me, at least) learning to assert my will to insure my well being for the long term.

Sounds good in theory, but I still smoke ciggies. ;)

Robert Strain ... Say what????
 

Twila

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I read those words "delayed gratification" and I think Sting....his wife is a very lucky lady