Re: RE: Why The Liberals Shou
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Why The Liberals Should be Booted Out of Office
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RE: Why The Liberals Shou
I support the NDP and I'm hoping that many people that would vote Liberal will vote for them, and NOT the Conservatives. Harper spews a continous stream of lies and bullshit.
-Promised to do what the people wanted and then tried to trigger an election even though most Canadians don't want one
- Said he was happy with the budget and then turned around and tried to use it as a way to bring down the government.
- then when he realised people were pissed at him he tried to weasel out of it by supporting the ORIGINAL budget and trying to bring the government down over the amendments, thinking that it would make him look better. Bullshit.
- accused Belinda Stronach of thinking only about her own ambitions. that is the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever heard it.
Not to mention the behavior of his party's MPs lately
- made rude, sexist, and highly offensive remarks towards Ms. Belinda
- a few of them attempted to make the Liberals look bad by saying that they tried to bribe them. Which was a lie, they asked the Liberals for incentives.
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I support the NDP and I'm hoping that many people that would vote Liberal will vote for them, and NOT the Conservatives. Harper spews a continous stream of lies and bullshit.
-Promised to do what the people wanted and then tried to trigger an election even though most Canadians don't want one
- Said he was happy with the budget and then turned around and tried to use it as a way to bring down the government.
- then when he realised people were pissed at him he tried to weasel out of it by supporting the ORIGINAL budget and trying to bring the government down over the amendments, thinking that it would make him look better. Bullshit.
- accused Belinda Stronach of thinking only about her own ambitions. that is the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever heard it.
Not to mention the behavior of his party's MPs lately
- made rude, sexist, and highly offensive remarks towards Ms. Belinda
- a few of them attempted to make the Liberals look bad by saying that they tried to bribe them. Which was a lie, they asked the Liberals for incentives.
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RE: Why The Liberals Shou
That will bite them in the ass. Pretty well all the females I have talked to are not impressed with some of those comments that came out from those "cave men" and it will cost him some female votes. The NDP and Liberals to a lesser extent will pick up some of those votes, due to the anyone but Harper "mentality". In my opinion anyways. :wink:
made rude, sexist, and highly offensive remarks towards Ms. Belinda
That will bite them in the ass. Pretty well all the females I have talked to are not impressed with some of those comments that came out from those "cave men" and it will cost him some female votes. The NDP and Liberals to a lesser extent will pick up some of those votes, due to the anyone but Harper "mentality". In my opinion anyways. :wink:
Re: RE: Why The Liberals Shou
All this as opposed to the Liberals? Here's another in a long list of many:
On CPAC tonight, a panelist made the point that in last years election, Harper campaigned on a budget of $57billion over five years. Martin had apoplexy and said that that kind of budget would send Canada into deficits, destroy the poor, blah blah blah. The total for the "new" Liberal budget, not counting what Martin has spend in the last few weeks? $87billion. Yet you and yours continue to accuse the conservatives of lying and hidden agendas. What crap. If there are hidden agendas, why has not Belinda and Scotty boy come out with them? They were part of the party and part of the leadership contest? Could it just be that, golly Aunt Bea, there really isn't a hidden agenda, but if the Liberals keep spouting out the lie, enough weak minded Canadians will believe it.
Remarks made aganist germany deleted...posted in moderator's forum. This is the third time I have asked you to stop trying to incite. Yes we know you are upset, but Please, snap out of it.
Andygal said:I support the NDP and I'm hoping that many people that would vote Liberal will vote for them, and NOT the Conservatives. Harper spews a continous stream of lies and bullshit.
-Promised to do what the people wanted and then tried to trigger an election even though most Canadians don't want one
- Said he was happy with the budget and then turned around and tried to use it as a way to bring down the government.
- then when he realised people were pissed at him he tried to weasel out of it by supporting the ORIGINAL budget and trying to bring the government down over the amendments, thinking that it would make him look better. Bullshit.
- accused Belinda Stronach of thinking only about her own ambitions. that is the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever heard it.
Not to mention the behavior of his party's MPs lately
- made rude, sexist, and highly offensive remarks towards Ms. Belinda
- a few of them attempted to make the Liberals look bad by saying that they tried to bribe them. Which was a lie, they asked the Liberals for incentives.
-
All this as opposed to the Liberals? Here's another in a long list of many:
On CPAC tonight, a panelist made the point that in last years election, Harper campaigned on a budget of $57billion over five years. Martin had apoplexy and said that that kind of budget would send Canada into deficits, destroy the poor, blah blah blah. The total for the "new" Liberal budget, not counting what Martin has spend in the last few weeks? $87billion. Yet you and yours continue to accuse the conservatives of lying and hidden agendas. What crap. If there are hidden agendas, why has not Belinda and Scotty boy come out with them? They were part of the party and part of the leadership contest? Could it just be that, golly Aunt Bea, there really isn't a hidden agenda, but if the Liberals keep spouting out the lie, enough weak minded Canadians will believe it.
Remarks made aganist germany deleted...posted in moderator's forum. This is the third time I have asked you to stop trying to incite. Yes we know you are upset, but Please, snap out of it.
Now whats THIS shyte all about?
http://en.ce.cn/Life/social/200505/10/t20050510_3791568.shtml
10 million bucks for a short-lived TV series only available in CHINA???
http://en.ce.cn/Life/social/200505/10/t20050510_3791568.shtml
10 million bucks for a short-lived TV series only available in CHINA???
The total for the "new" Liberal budget, not counting what Martin has spend in the last few weeks? $87billion.
Most of that is rolling out in 8 to 10 years, Blue...not 5. You forgot to mention that.
Re: RE: Why The Liberals Shou
"-Promised to do what the people wanted and then tried to trigger an election even though most Canadians don't want one "
And thats why representation by population doesn't work, maybe most of Ontario doesn't want one..
NDP's ONLY stick with the liberals because they know they will not do very good in the next election.
"- a few of them attempted to make the Liberals look bad by saying that they tried to bribe them. Which was a lie, they asked the Liberals for incentives. "
No one proved these to be fake, they were denied of course. Call me crazy but Ms. Belinda did get a top job out of no where?
"- made rude, sexist, and highly offensive remarks towards Ms. Belinda"
Liberals made racial comments towards the conservatives.
Andygal said:I support the NDP and I'm hoping that many people that would vote Liberal will vote for them, and NOT the Conservatives. Harper spews a continous stream of lies and bullshit.
-Promised to do what the people wanted and then tried to trigger an election even though most Canadians don't want one
- Said he was happy with the budget and then turned around and tried to use it as a way to bring down the government.
- then when he realised people were pissed at him he tried to weasel out of it by supporting the ORIGINAL budget and trying to bring the government down over the amendments, thinking that it would make him look better. Bullshit.
- accused Belinda Stronach of thinking only about her own ambitions. that is the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever heard it.
Not to mention the behavior of his party's MPs lately
- made rude, sexist, and highly offensive remarks towards Ms. Belinda
- a few of them attempted to make the Liberals look bad by saying that they tried to bribe them. Which was a lie, they asked the Liberals for incentives.
-
"-Promised to do what the people wanted and then tried to trigger an election even though most Canadians don't want one "
And thats why representation by population doesn't work, maybe most of Ontario doesn't want one..
NDP's ONLY stick with the liberals because they know they will not do very good in the next election.
"- a few of them attempted to make the Liberals look bad by saying that they tried to bribe them. Which was a lie, they asked the Liberals for incentives. "
No one proved these to be fake, they were denied of course. Call me crazy but Ms. Belinda did get a top job out of no where?
"- made rude, sexist, and highly offensive remarks towards Ms. Belinda"
Liberals made racial comments towards the conservatives.
Liberals made racial comments towards the conservatives.
Nobody made racist comments towards Conservatives. The only thing being implied was that Inky Mark was an inbred git. That has nothing to do with racial heritage and everything to do with Inky's reputation in Manitoba of being a few rounds short of a full magazine.
No one proved these to be fake, they were denied of course.
The tape that Grewal presented as "proof" has him begging for favours and the Liberals saying no.
Call me crazy but Ms. Belinda did get a top job out of no where?
Not really. She would have held a senior cabinet position in a Conservative government, since she was one of their star MPs. It isn't unreasonable for her to get a similar portfolio when joining the Liberals.
NDP's ONLY stick with the liberals because they know they will not do very good in the next election.
NDP numbers are up. In ridings that they lost last time because the Liberals split the vote, they could well take several seats away from the Conservatives. There are a couple ridings like that in Saskatchewan, a few in BC, and a few in Ontario.
And thats why representation by population doesn't work, maybe most of Ontario doesn't want one..
It's called democracy. If you are uncomfortable with the concept, I hear Uzbekistan is accepting immigrants.
Reverend Blair said:The total for the "new" Liberal budget, not counting what Martin has spend in the last few weeks? $87billion.
Most of that is rolling out in 8 to 10 years, Blue...not 5. You forgot to mention that.
Sorry, I could have been clearer. The comparison was between the five year spending program of the conservatives and the now five year spending program of the NDP/LIB budget. Therefore it is an apples versus apples comparison.
RE: Why The Liberals Shou
Funny...the Liberal numbers have them at about $47 billion over five years. The CBC and CTV have both used similar numbers. Is this some of that voodoo math where you count everything once in the budget, then again in the budget roll-out and count every announcement of old dollars as being brand-spanking new?
Funny...the Liberal numbers have them at about $47 billion over five years. The CBC and CTV have both used similar numbers. Is this some of that voodoo math where you count everything once in the budget, then again in the budget roll-out and count every announcement of old dollars as being brand-spanking new?
Reverend Blair said:Liberals made racial comments towards the conservatives.
Nobody made racist comments towards Conservatives. The only thing being implied was that Inky Mark was an inbred git. That has nothing to do with racial heritage and everything to do with Inky's reputation in Manitoba of being a few rounds short of a full magazine.
No one proved these to be fake, they were denied of course.
The tape that Grewal presented as "proof" has him begging for favours and the Liberals saying no.
Call me crazy but Ms. Belinda did get a top job out of no where?
Not really. She would have held a senior cabinet position in a Conservative government, since she was one of their star MPs. It isn't unreasonable for her to get a similar portfolio when joining the Liberals.
NDP's ONLY stick with the liberals because they know they will not do very good in the next election.
NDP numbers are up. In ridings that they lost last time because the Liberals split the vote, they could well take several seats away from the Conservatives. There are a couple ridings like that in Saskatchewan, a few in BC, and a few in Ontario.
And thats why representation by population doesn't work, maybe most of Ontario doesn't want one..
It's called democracy. If you are uncomfortable with the concept, I hear Uzbekistan is accepting immigrants.
You are obviously one of those suckers like you see on CTV Canada AM that actually believed Paul Martin saying this job oppurtunity had nothing to do with the budget plan.
I can hardly wait for your response to this..
Alberta, led by Conservatives is the wealthiest. Alberta is so prosperous it has no sales tax, and job shortages are everywhere. Oil caused this yes, it is A difference but the biggest difference is GOOD leadership.
I realize the Federal Conservatives are different but they are still similar.
I am a proud Canadian, dare I say a proud Albertan...It almost means something more, I'm sure its the same for wherever you're from.
It's called democracy. If you are uncomfortable with the concept, I hear Uzbekistan is accepting immigrants.
Maybe Equilization payments should work the same, instead of US paying tonnes of money to other provinces and the federal government for NOTHING in return. All the money goes to the East, And British Columbia I believe too.
Its almost like, "here's where most the people live, lets invest it into them, screw the countless westerner's who worked 12 hour shifts on an Oil Rig to make it, they are well off"
I am not saying all westerners work on Oil Rigs but seriously thats where the money comes from.
Wow, are you related to the other Albertan here?
Nope. That's not what he said either. He said that it didn't mean the budget was going to pass. He said that because nobody knew how Chuck Cadman was going to vote.
I believe that the Liberals were happy to get Belinda Stronach. I think it happened pretty much like she said too...that she approached them through Peterson. I doubt they would have approached her simply because of her prominent position in the CPC...she looked pretty untouchable.
I think she likely pushed for the best deal she could get. The fact is that she had a lot of bargaining power because of her prominent position in the Conservative Party though.
Ralphie hasn't provided good leadership. He paid off your debt at an accelerated rate at the expense of the poor, the disabled, and the seniors. Your oil deal is one of the worst in the world...you are being ripped off worse than some third world countries. It is only the abundance of your oil and natural gas that have made you a have province.
Meaning that they would also abuse the poor, the disabled, and the elderly if they thought they could make a buck for their corporate buddies.
Maybe you should remember that you used to be on the receiving end of those payments and that you took money from the rest of Canada for most of your 100 years. It might be a good idea to remember that your province has gone bust several times before and that it is likely to happen again too. Maybe the rest of Canada will laugh at you and refuse to send you money when that happens. Likely not though...the rest of Canada isn't that petty and vindictive.
You are obviously one of those suckers like you see on CTV Canada AM that actually believed Paul Martin saying this job oppurtunity had nothing to do with the budget plan.
Nope. That's not what he said either. He said that it didn't mean the budget was going to pass. He said that because nobody knew how Chuck Cadman was going to vote.
I believe that the Liberals were happy to get Belinda Stronach. I think it happened pretty much like she said too...that she approached them through Peterson. I doubt they would have approached her simply because of her prominent position in the CPC...she looked pretty untouchable.
I think she likely pushed for the best deal she could get. The fact is that she had a lot of bargaining power because of her prominent position in the Conservative Party though.
I can hardly wait for your response to this..
Ralphie hasn't provided good leadership. He paid off your debt at an accelerated rate at the expense of the poor, the disabled, and the seniors. Your oil deal is one of the worst in the world...you are being ripped off worse than some third world countries. It is only the abundance of your oil and natural gas that have made you a have province.
I realize the Federal Conservatives are different but they are still similar.
Meaning that they would also abuse the poor, the disabled, and the elderly if they thought they could make a buck for their corporate buddies.
Maybe Equilization payments should work the same, instead of US paying tonnes of money to other provinces and the federal government for NOTHING in return. All the money goes to the East, And British Columbia I believe too.
Maybe you should remember that you used to be on the receiving end of those payments and that you took money from the rest of Canada for most of your 100 years. It might be a good idea to remember that your province has gone bust several times before and that it is likely to happen again too. Maybe the rest of Canada will laugh at you and refuse to send you money when that happens. Likely not though...the rest of Canada isn't that petty and vindictive.
Reverend Blair said:Wow, are you related to the other Albertan here?
You are obviously one of those suckers like you see on CTV Canada AM that actually believed Paul Martin saying this job oppurtunity had nothing to do with the budget plan.
Nope. That's not what he said either. He said that it didn't mean the budget was going to pass. He said that because nobody knew how Chuck Cadman was going to vote.
I believe that the Liberals were happy to get Belinda Stronach. I think it happened pretty much like she said too...that she approached them through Peterson. I doubt they would have approached her simply because of her prominent position in the CPC...she looked pretty untouchable.
I think she likely pushed for the best deal she could get. The fact is that she had a lot of bargaining power because of her prominent position in the Conservative Party though.
I can hardly wait for your response to this..
Ralphie hasn't provided good leadership. He paid off your debt at an accelerated rate at the expense of the poor, the disabled, and the seniors. Your oil deal is one of the worst in the world...you are being ripped off worse than some third world countries. It is only the abundance of your oil and natural gas that have made you a have province.
I realize the Federal Conservatives are different but they are still similar.
Meaning that they would also abuse the poor, the disabled, and the elderly if they thought they could make a buck for their corporate buddies.
Maybe Equilization payments should work the same, instead of US paying tonnes of money to other provinces and the federal government for NOTHING in return. All the money goes to the East, And British Columbia I believe too.
Maybe you should remember that you used to be on the receiving end of those payments and that you took money from the rest of Canada for most of your 100 years. It might be a good idea to remember that your province has gone bust several times before and that it is likely to happen again too. Maybe the rest of Canada will laugh at you and refuse to send you money when that happens. Likely not though...the rest of Canada isn't that petty and vindictive.
You fall into the media's trap.
A whole room of journalist laughed at Martin when he said that, maybe you didn't hear.
"Ralphie hasn't provided good leadership. He paid off your debt at an accelerated rate at the expense of the poor, the disabled, and the seniors. Your oil deal is one of the worst in the world...you are being ripped off worse than some third world countries. It is only the abundance of your oil and natural gas that have made you a have province."
And how would you know? Are you an idiot or something?
We haven't kept him in for so long for no reason.
I live in Alberta, only a select few aren't happy. Everyone else fine just the media over-hyping things... Most are extremely happy with our leadership.
You act like you know everything. Maybe you just don't know the expenses it takes to get oil out of the ground. We sure make a lot off of oil for being ripped off.
We are a have province, thats why we should say screw you to the federal government and quit paying equilization. We could use that money to expand, and develop industry to provide us with a strong future. Technology would be good to invest in.
You fall into the media's trap.
A whole room of journalist laughed at Martin when he said that, maybe you didn't hear.
The thing is that I listened to the whole explanation, not just the poorly worded sound bite the raght-wing press glommed onto.
And how would you know?
I learned how to read.
I live in Alberta, only a select few aren't happy.
Between 30% and 40% are unhappy with your leadership. Since Alberta is always whining about not having enough input into Canada, what about that sizabler proporation of your province. They have proportionally far less representation than Alberta has in Canada.
Maybe you just don't know the expenses it takes to get oil out of the ground. We sure make a lot off of oil for being ripped off.
The numbers amount to you almost giving the oil away. If Ralphie would have got even as good a deal as his predecessor did you would have far more money. If he got as good a deal as Norway did, you'd all be mini Jed Clampetts.
We are a have province, thats why we should say screw you to the federal government and quit paying equilization.
You are a have province NOW. That does not give you the right to say, "Screw you," to the country that kept you afloat for all those years when you had nothing.
Re: RE: Why The Liberals Shou
I was simply quoting CPAC, and given the history of the liberals, using their numbers is a bit of rubbish.
And the voodoo math you are talking about is exactly how the Liberals do it. Announce funding this year that was promised in last years budget, but make it sound like it is new. Then next year, they can do the same. Talk about future deficit financing. Yet people fall for this, because you know that at some point in the future, all these promises are going to be hard to keep, so there will be some sort of "adjustment" period where previously promissed funding will be "delayed" or "postponed".
Reverend Blair said:Funny...the Liberal numbers have them at about $47 billion over five years. The CBC and CTV have both used similar numbers. Is this some of that voodoo math where you count everything once in the budget, then again in the budget roll-out and count every announcement of old dollars as being brand-spanking new?
I was simply quoting CPAC, and given the history of the liberals, using their numbers is a bit of rubbish.
And the voodoo math you are talking about is exactly how the Liberals do it. Announce funding this year that was promised in last years budget, but make it sound like it is new. Then next year, they can do the same. Talk about future deficit financing. Yet people fall for this, because you know that at some point in the future, all these promises are going to be hard to keep, so there will be some sort of "adjustment" period where previously promissed funding will be "delayed" or "postponed".
RE: Why The Liberals Shou
No, the voodoo math is all on the part of the Conservatives, Blue Boy. They have wildly exaggerated the Liberals spending.
The Liberals are not the only ones that introduce old money as if it is old either. I dare you to find one government in Canada, or for that matter the western world, that doesn't do the same thing.
The Conservative plan, with it's $16 billion in tax cuts, which go disproportionately to the wealthy and corporations, is based on projections of huge surpluses. When those surpluses do not appear, there will have to be cuts. The Conservatives will cut social spending.
No, the voodoo math is all on the part of the Conservatives, Blue Boy. They have wildly exaggerated the Liberals spending.
The Liberals are not the only ones that introduce old money as if it is old either. I dare you to find one government in Canada, or for that matter the western world, that doesn't do the same thing.
The Conservative plan, with it's $16 billion in tax cuts, which go disproportionately to the wealthy and corporations, is based on projections of huge surpluses. When those surpluses do not appear, there will have to be cuts. The Conservatives will cut social spending.
Re: RE: Why The Liberals Shou
So lets see, we have huge surpluses, so their projections were valid.
Cutting taxes puts money back to the people to spend, resulting in more jobs and products.
The Liberals are now $30billion over what they slammed the conservatives for. I guess that they will be cutting social services too, using your logic.
Given that the Liberals have wasted $55billion to $60 billion over the last 12 years, the surpluses could have been even bigger, and more money could have been spent on your precious social programs, instead of stupid things like: a broken contract penalty, a frivoulous and mean spirited lawsuit, gun registry cost overruns, EI surplus taken from ordinary working Canadians and employers, HRDC scandal, and gee, money to the LIBeral party so they can finance their election with taxpayer money. But then in your world, that's okay, because the conservatives are "scarey" and have this mythical "hidden agenda" that the left holds onto like some cultlike mantra. Your hatred of the right wing has stripped you of any credibility at all. :twisted:
Derry McKinney said:No, the voodoo math is all on the part of the Conservatives, Blue Boy. They have wildly exaggerated the Liberals spending.
The Liberals are not the only ones that introduce old money as if it is old either. I dare you to find one government in Canada, or for that matter the western world, that doesn't do the same thing.
The Conservative plan, with it's $16 billion in tax cuts, which go disproportionately to the wealthy and corporations, is based on projections of huge surpluses. When those surpluses do not appear, there will have to be cuts. The Conservatives will cut social spending.
So lets see, we have huge surpluses, so their projections were valid.
Cutting taxes puts money back to the people to spend, resulting in more jobs and products.
The Liberals are now $30billion over what they slammed the conservatives for. I guess that they will be cutting social services too, using your logic.
Given that the Liberals have wasted $55billion to $60 billion over the last 12 years, the surpluses could have been even bigger, and more money could have been spent on your precious social programs, instead of stupid things like: a broken contract penalty, a frivoulous and mean spirited lawsuit, gun registry cost overruns, EI surplus taken from ordinary working Canadians and employers, HRDC scandal, and gee, money to the LIBeral party so they can finance their election with taxpayer money. But then in your world, that's okay, because the conservatives are "scarey" and have this mythical "hidden agenda" that the left holds onto like some cultlike mantra. Your hatred of the right wing has stripped you of any credibility at all. :twisted:
RE: Why The Liberals Shou
The Conservatives would sell this country to the US for 25 cents on the dollar, Blue. Look into their plans. There is nothing in there about Canadian sovereignty. They want to integrate security, integrate the military, integrate the economy, and force George Bush's twisted version of god down our throats. Where the hell is Canada in all of that?
Don't bother trying to answer, I asked my MP the same question. He's a moron, just like every other CPC MP. He's a hateful little prick too. Doesn't like "Indians" (guess he's too stupid to know about natives) and makes references to "dumb farmers". In Saskatchewan.
I asked him where Canada was in all these plans though. Do you know what he told me? He said that we couldn't compete and had to accept it. That was it. That's the answer your party has. No vision, no plan, just shut it down and curl up in a ball.
F**k that.
The Conservatives would sell this country to the US for 25 cents on the dollar, Blue. Look into their plans. There is nothing in there about Canadian sovereignty. They want to integrate security, integrate the military, integrate the economy, and force George Bush's twisted version of god down our throats. Where the hell is Canada in all of that?
Don't bother trying to answer, I asked my MP the same question. He's a moron, just like every other CPC MP. He's a hateful little prick too. Doesn't like "Indians" (guess he's too stupid to know about natives) and makes references to "dumb farmers". In Saskatchewan.
I asked him where Canada was in all these plans though. Do you know what he told me? He said that we couldn't compete and had to accept it. That was it. That's the answer your party has. No vision, no plan, just shut it down and curl up in a ball.
F**k that.
Re: RE: Why The Liberals Shou
And your party and its supporters want to sell our sovereignty to the UN, that bastion of common sense. Libya in charge of human rights commission. Afi Konan up to his eyeballs in the Food for Oil scam, along with Chretiens son in law in Power Corp. Yep, thats a hell of an option too. Maybe the reason we cannot compete is due to our high level of taxation and mismanagement of public funds.
Derry McKinney said:The Conservatives would sell this country to the US for 25 cents on the dollar, Blue. Look into their plans. There is nothing in there about Canadian sovereignty. They want to integrate security, integrate the military, integrate the economy, and force George Bush's twisted version of god down our throats. Where the hell is Canada in all of that?
Don't bother trying to answer, I asked my MP the same question. He's a moron, just like every other CPC MP. He's a hateful little prick too. Doesn't like "Indians" (guess he's too stupid to know about natives) and makes references to "dumb farmers". In Saskatchewan.
I asked him where Canada was in all these plans though. Do you know what he told me? He said that we couldn't compete and had to accept it. That was it. That's the answer your party has. No vision, no plan, just shut it down and curl up in a ball.
F**k that.
And your party and its supporters want to sell our sovereignty to the UN, that bastion of common sense. Libya in charge of human rights commission. Afi Konan up to his eyeballs in the Food for Oil scam, along with Chretiens son in law in Power Corp. Yep, thats a hell of an option too. Maybe the reason we cannot compete is due to our high level of taxation and mismanagement of public funds.