It doesn't launch directly just copy and paste:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=3668
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=3668
Why The Liberals Should be Booted Out of Office
- Thread starter bluealberta
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I read that article a while back, bet thats something you don't hear on CBC. Could be all bullshit though, who's to know?
The only thing is that the author provides links to Canadian governmental sites, so I would tend to believe its true.
The only thing is that the author provides links to Canadian governmental sites, so I would tend to believe its true.
I think not said:
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Don't confuse the U.S. invasion of Irag as part of 'the war on Terrorism'. It is true though, that Canadian military contributions in Afganistan did free up U.S. forces to move to Iraq. If history serves, some 5000 Canadians in the Navy served in supply support in Viet Nam and some saw action. Similarily, now Canada has some Service personal attached to the U.S. military (exchange of service) but I have seen nothing to suggest that these troops were deployed in Iraq. It is my understanding that the Canadian government was carefull in avoiding 'boots on the ground' in Iraq and that these personnel were reassigned.
Vote tomorrow - predictions???
I don't think it will happen - all the pundits see an even split of 152 each, and there are 2 independents. One of them, Chuck Cadman from the Vancouver area, was on TV tonight - saying that a recent poll shows 50-some odd % don't want an election before the Gomery Comission is done, and 20-some don't want one at all.
He has often stated that he feels very responsible to represent his constituents (imagine! :roll: ), and that this poll is very "meaningful" to him. Plus he left the Conservative Party about the time Harper became Leader.
Don't know much about the other Independent, Kilgore.
I don't think it will happen - all the pundits see an even split of 152 each, and there are 2 independents. One of them, Chuck Cadman from the Vancouver area, was on TV tonight - saying that a recent poll shows 50-some odd % don't want an election before the Gomery Comission is done, and 20-some don't want one at all.
He has often stated that he feels very responsible to represent his constituents (imagine! :roll: ), and that this poll is very "meaningful" to him. Plus he left the Conservative Party about the time Harper became Leader.
Don't know much about the other Independent, Kilgore.
Vanni Fucci said:
See, there you go again, thinking you are somehow superior. You are not, get over yourself. And the Alberta eductional system is the best in the country.
bluealberta said:
I am far superior to you blue, by merit of the fact that I do not support socially regressive neo-conservative would-be regimes...
The sooner you learn that, the better off you'll be... :wink:
Re: RE: Why The Liberals Shou
Did anyone hear anythng more on the rumor about Roger Galloway maybe going to the conservatives, or as an independent? I also have heard that Kilgore may vote against the budget, or the NDP add on, whichever.
Andygal said:
Did anyone hear anythng more on the rumor about Roger Galloway maybe going to the conservatives, or as an independent? I also have heard that Kilgore may vote against the budget, or the NDP add on, whichever.
RE: Why The Liberals Shou
I'm guessing it will be a tie. Cadman does not sound like he's about to bring down the government. I also wouldn't be too surprised to see Hearn abstain from the vote on C-48. I'd really like to see him make a dramatic gesture and cross the floor, or at least vote against his own party, but I don't think that's going to happen. One can always hope though.
It's a weird situation because the Conservatives are suddenly not at all sure they want an election. The Liberals would suddenly like one very much. Neither party can actually say that though.
I'm guessing it will be a tie. Cadman does not sound like he's about to bring down the government. I also wouldn't be too surprised to see Hearn abstain from the vote on C-48. I'd really like to see him make a dramatic gesture and cross the floor, or at least vote against his own party, but I don't think that's going to happen. One can always hope though.
It's a weird situation because the Conservatives are suddenly not at all sure they want an election. The Liberals would suddenly like one very much. Neither party can actually say that though.
Vanni Fucci said:
See there is that arrogance thing again. There is none so blind as those who will not see. Try www.cnib.com to see when you can get some aides for sight. Or an enema so you can get rid of your shi**y attitude about anyone and everyone on the right of center politically.
Re: RE: Why The Liberals Shou
-----The Mulroney government was over 12 years ago.
The sponsorship scandal was 10 years ago... so what is 2 years between a few billion dollars of debt vs surplus?
If I was Stephen Harper I'd be taking a long serious look in the mirror, counting all the recently added grey hairs, and asking myself whether I need to be here anymore. I mean honestly, if Paul Martin was a Conservative drowning in these scandals and accusations, a monkey with a red ball cap could've won the last election. As much as the Liberals might not be trusted right now, what does 131 to 98 say about Harper? And the polls remain the same regardless of the Gomery testimony. If Martin can still float along at 36% through all of this, what does that really say about Canadians taste for Harper? He has to go, and an inclusive leader without fundamentalist baggage like Harper has to take over and stop making a joke of Canadian Politics.
-----The Mulroney government was over 12 years ago.
The sponsorship scandal was 10 years ago... so what is 2 years between a few billion dollars of debt vs surplus?
If I was Stephen Harper I'd be taking a long serious look in the mirror, counting all the recently added grey hairs, and asking myself whether I need to be here anymore. I mean honestly, if Paul Martin was a Conservative drowning in these scandals and accusations, a monkey with a red ball cap could've won the last election. As much as the Liberals might not be trusted right now, what does 131 to 98 say about Harper? And the polls remain the same regardless of the Gomery testimony. If Martin can still float along at 36% through all of this, what does that really say about Canadians taste for Harper? He has to go, and an inclusive leader without fundamentalist baggage like Harper has to take over and stop making a joke of Canadian Politics.
RE: Why The Liberals Shou
The problem with all of that, Tightwad, is that Harper is really just the leader of the yahoos. He's a terrible politician, and for that I'm thankful, but the Conservatives are still very much the Reform Party that Canadians were afraid of under Preston Manning, and the Alliance we were afraid of under Doris Day.
Next to watch a vote in the H of C, look at who is standing up to vote. These are not nice moderate, reasonable people. The closest thing they have left for moderates are people who were (or would have been) hardliners under Mulroney.
The problem with all of that, Tightwad, is that Harper is really just the leader of the yahoos. He's a terrible politician, and for that I'm thankful, but the Conservatives are still very much the Reform Party that Canadians were afraid of under Preston Manning, and the Alliance we were afraid of under Doris Day.
Next to watch a vote in the H of C, look at who is standing up to vote. These are not nice moderate, reasonable people. The closest thing they have left for moderates are people who were (or would have been) hardliners under Mulroney.
That they will. They are cannibals if nothing else. When it comes time to choose his replacement, they'll find another extremist though. Right now, I'd bet on pitbull Jason Kenney as Harper's successor.
I'm surprised at some of the posting going on here. Canadians need to send a strong message to politicians saying they will not tolerate corruption, thievery, and dishonesty. The only way to do this is vote them out. How can anyone stick up for the liberals after what is coming out is beyond me. These people are in denial.
canuckster said:
I think most Canadians want all the fact first.
I know there is stolen money and corrupt people, but one has to have all the official facts before I throw them to the sharks.
Even though it is not an official court hearing, you should still be considered innocent until the facts come out and point otherwise. Judge Gomery will release his report in December so we can get official facts then. Martin said reguardless of Gomery outcome there will be an election a month after report comes out and that is good enough for me, and judging by the polls I am not alone in that.
However whatever the Gomery outcome, it will not change my personel vote. (NDP)