Why people find religion

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This is my theory as to why people turn to religion. From what I've observed, allot of people turn to Christianity because they've hit rock bottom in their lives. My Dad used to try to take me to church and most people I saw there were ex drug users, or out of work. This seems so phony to me. You shouldn't go to church because you hope God will make your life better, and the only reason your there is because you have no where else to turn.
Sometimes people who are ill want to be cured. You see this on TV. A preacher, preying on the desperate, "heals" these sick people with the power of the Lord. I am sure that if there is a hell these preachers are going there.
Another reason people find religion is because they've been harassed by religious crusaders. Why do these religious types have to "spread the word"?
And finally, people turn to religion because they honestly believe it's the answer. This should be the only reason.
What other reasons are there? There must be millions.
 
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As you know I dont go to church nor do I have a religion BUT I do have a belief system........Its kinda made up but it works for me. Im my opinion when you take away the shoulda's for going to church then you find church isnt nessacary at all. Just my humble opinion :)
 

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I think that organized religion doesn't allow opinions. You have to believe what your told. They want you to be robots. It's good that you have your own beliefs. I have mine too. I take the good stuff from Christianity and leave all the dark ages garbage behind.
Native religion believes allot in respecting nature and thats something that has been lost in modern times, and we're paying the price for it. I'm reading a bit on Native culture and like it so far. Theres some good stuff we should take and apply to Canadian society.
 

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Hi Gonzo:

I never heard it described as rock bottom, but I think you may have come up with the perfect expression. :thumbup:Before the real Church was established by God, people were searching and hoping that God would settle all the problems so far. The Romans were ready to destroy their temples, and they were raping,pillaging,crucifying and taxing to their hearts content. The people were at rock bottom and expected God would come down swinging a sword to set things right. Well, they got their wish, but God had a different approach from all the same old tactics that never worked. He would form an army of people of all ages and sexes togeather to use persuassion and love to convince the Romans and evildoers to change.

....take me to Church and most people I saw.....
I read Ann Landers answer an ad once by saying, "the Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints". It wasn't entirely explainatory, close, but it stuck for some reason.

We go to Church to visit God, and is a Sanctuary made for us for spiritual resucitation because this world is not our real natural world and we need to tap into that Good that is God to keep us from the onslaughts of the day to day evil that drowns us. Our form is partly material in nature for the purpose of this world and to allow us to function here, but we are meant to return to our true home. So every once in a while we need that lifeline, or long distance call to God to "check up on Dad". In prayers it is also refered to as an exile and in OT scripture our plight is described in other terms as well. Because our world offers us every form of sin and decadence and is as distant from the perfection of our true home as you can imagine, some even say it is a form of hell.

His idea was to enlist soldiers of peace to pass on the Word by example and verbally from one person to the next, and that has been happening since those days. He enlists these new soldiers through the ritual of baptism and confirmation, and sets them on the road armed with words and deeds as new evangelists for his cause. He called his new militia-institution his Church, and when we go to visit God that is all that is on our minds. We are in anticipation of our conversation with Him. For the moment others must wait for this visit to be over and we ensure no one or nothing distracts us.

You shouldn't go to church because you hope God will make your life better, and the only reason your there is because you have no where else to turn.
Our view of a better life is different than His view. Our view includes comfort and TV,cars,house,concerns with health, obtaining food, paying rent,etc., and He makes no gurantee of these and never did, whereas He places more emphasis on attitude and performance and what part we did to better the world and everyone else's life. That is because our purpose here is as servants to God's will by putting ourselves second, not first. That means doing things we wouldn't like if we had our own agenda. That is not an easy thing to do, and we can't do it alone, He said that Himself. So we need to get strength from Him. Your right that there is no where else to turn. We can find complete happiness only in fulfillment of His will.

Sometimes people who are ill want to be cured. You see this on TV. A preacher, preying on the desperate, "heals" these sick people with the power of the Lord. I am sure that if there is a hell these preachers are going there.
Evil will attempt to trick people at every turn, and in religion it is no exception. Especially those who use the name of God as instrument of their own gain, they will have a very hard go at explaining themselves as to why they led people astray with their tricks.

Another reason people find religion is because they've been harassed by religious crusaders. Why do these religious types have to "spread the word"?
Many people will be led astray and taken to new cults for entertainment value, or ambiance of the edifice, or a special group happens to collect there or for many reasons. The thrill of belonging usually dissipates to one of emptiness, but not for one who belongs to the true Church. This one is tolerant and patient and calls every convert to do research, reflect and weed out the unlikely, use his reason and intellect to see without the eyes, but at all times he should pray and ask for assistance to advance in wisdom and knowledge.

A607. R.R Vol I, Late Frs. Carty, Rumble and Card. F Sheen:

"The strangling of reason is left to people who are ready to believe
anything they hear about teh Catholic Church. But the
Church herself asks no man to strangle his reason, and says that
it is heresy to say that it ought to be strangled. Nor must
Catholics accept anything, however unlikely. If a thing seems
unlikely, they should suspend their judgement until secure
evidence of it's truth or falsity, and then decide accordingly"



AndyF
 
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I think that organized religion doesn't allow opinions. You have to believe what your told. They want you to be robots. It's good that you have your own beliefs. I have mine too. I take the good stuff from Christianity and leave all the dark ages garbage behind.
Native religion believes allot in respecting nature and thats something that has been lost in modern times, and we're paying the price for it. I'm reading a bit on Native culture and like it so far. Theres some good stuff we should take and apply to Canadian society.


Ive a couple of books I can offer you if your interested......the only thing AF can offer is Dogma and a headache......
 

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I think that organized religion doesn't allow opinions. You have to believe what your told. They want you to be robots. It's good that you have your own beliefs. I have mine too. I take the good stuff from Christianity and leave all the dark ages garbage behind.
Native religion believes allot in respecting nature and thats something that has been lost in modern times, and we're paying the price for it. I'm reading a bit on Native culture and like it so far. Theres some good stuff we should take and apply to Canadian society.

I like to stay within my religion and speak my mind, challenge what I don't agree with, debate it amongst the priests I know, the men I know who are training to be deacons. Now adays, we're not expected to follow blindly, at least not from what any priest I've ever sat down to visit with has said. In this day and age, we're expected to be educated and have opinions. Not one priest has ever told me to get out of the church, or has ever told me my opinions are wrong. My father in law (training to be a deacon) probably gives me the most lively discussions, on everything from gay rights to euthenasia.
 

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Everyone has their reasons for their beliefs. I don’t share the beliefs that AndyF has, but he is entitled to his.
What books do you read, selfactivated? I read a great book called Three Day Road. It's about two Native Canadians who fight in the First World War and it talks a bit about their belief system.
I personally don’t believe we are here to serve anyone. We should be good people, treat others with respect, but too many people have killed in the name of Gods service. This is a dangerous belief. It was written in the dark ages. Personally, I believe in God, but I don’t believe he is watching and judging over every little thing, like if you go to church or have sex out of wedlock. Why would anyone be such a control freak? God probably judges if you kill, rape, or hurt others, but not insignificant things. Too many people think they can do bad things and be easily forgiven.
 

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I like to stay within my religion and speak my mind, challenge what I don't agree with, debate it amongst the priests I know, the men I know who are training to be deacons. Now adays, we're not expected to follow blindly, at least not from what any priest I've ever sat down to visit with has said. In this day and age, we're expected to be educated and have opinions. Not one priest has ever told me to get out of the church, or has ever told me my opinions are wrong. My father in law (training to be a deacon) probably gives me the most lively discussions, on everything from gay rights to euthenasia.


That may be YOUR experience but thats not the facts. When I first arrived in Richmond I decided to give the "church" a try, went to bible study only to have my inquizitiveness torn apart and badgered. I was told to quit reading secular readings........it was Dyer at that time .......and get back to the "teachings of "the one and only holy chuch"! The sweet nun that was in the class took me aside and said......."Get the Hell out and dont look back. Your to smart for this" And I did so! I have a file of news stories that prove the Vatican cares NOTHING for real people especially children. Its not a church built on a rock. Its a church built on the bones of inoccents.
 

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It sounds like you go to an enlightened church, karrie. I'm not saying all religion is controlling. Some are though. And some people go to church, or turn to a religion for the wrong reasons. I dont like it when religious people judge others for not believing what they believe. And the argument "the bible says" doesn't hold up if you dont believe in the bible. Like, "the bible is right because the bible tells me it's right". The bible isn't proof. I dont judge anyone for their belief system, but they shouldn't judge either. People should accept whatever anyone believes and leave it alone. Everyone has their reasons for what they believe.
 

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Everyone has their reasons for their beliefs. I don’t share the beliefs that AndyF has, but he is entitled to his.
What books do you read, selfactivated? I read a great book called Three Day Road. It's about two Native Canadians who fight in the First World War and it talks a bit about their belief system.
I personally don’t believe we are here to serve anyone. We should be good people, treat others with respect, but too many people have killed in the name of Gods service. This is a dangerous belief. It was written in the dark ages. Personally, I believe in God, but I don’t believe he is watching and judging over every little thing, like if you go to church or have sex out of wedlock. Why would anyone be such a control freak? God probably judges if you kill, rape, or hurt others, but not insignificant things. Too many people think they can do bad things and be easily forgiven.


You shame me, Im still very much so hurt by a church that claims to be the only way to a hateful god. I dont know how to get rid of my anger and prolly should just stay out of these threads. Its like watching a train wreck I cant take my eyes off of.

I have 3 titles for you the first two are Native books and the 3rd written by a priest.

Buffallo Woman Comes Singing...........Brooke Medicine Eagle
The Wind Is My Mother........Bear Heart
Joshua......Joseph F. Girzone
 

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I'll have to look those titles up. Thanks.
I don’t believe its God that’s hateful (or whatever name you would give a supreme being). Its people who do things in the name of God that are hateful. That’s kind of the point of my posts. People are capable of evil in the name of good. It's a strange thing that humans can kill, torture, ect and think they're doing a good thing. Allot of it is by judging people. And that’s why I'm not a fan of organized religion. People should believe whatever they want. Beliefs are personal, and no one should be judged by them.
 

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I'll have to look those titles up. Thanks.
I don’t believe its God that’s hateful (or whatever name you would give a supreme being). Its people who do things in the name of God that are hateful. That’s kind of the point of my posts. People are capable of evil in the name of good. It's a strange thing that humans can kill, torture, ect and think they're doing a good thing. Allot of it is by judging people. And that’s why I'm not a fan of organized religion. People should believe whatever they want. Beliefs are personal, and no one should be judged by them.

I TOTALLY agree BUT they do judge, they do hurt. I guess the way I see it is that if people have the facts then they can choose from an educated place. My beliefs are nothing but "fantasy" BUT I dont claim My Godess/God is the ONLY one or the ONLY way. Catholics do, in fact Christians do. I guess that hurts my feelings and it makes me mad.
 

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That may be YOUR experience but thats not the facts. When I first arrived in Richmond I decided to give the "church" a try, went to bible study only to have my inquizitiveness torn apart and badgered. I was told to quit reading secular readings........it was Dyer at that time .......and get back to the "teachings of "the one and only holy chuch"! The sweet nun that was in the class took me aside and said......."Get the Hell out and dont look back. Your to smart for this" And I did so! I have a file of news stories that prove the Vatican cares NOTHING for real people especially children. Its not a church built on a rock. Its a church built on the bones of inoccents.

Well, if and when you start having those experiences with the Catholic churches in BC and Alberta, then I'll gladly listen. But it seems to be the consensus of most people within the US, that the Catholic church there is quite different from what I'm used to. why? I have no idea. but, here, the attitudes are different. To hear your priest, preparing to leave for an audience with the pope, discuss frankly with you all the issues he intends to raise. all the abuses he intends to address and flaws he wishes to see changed to reflect OUR church... it's inspiring.

Any american friends I've made have not had these same progressive experiences or views, but, with all due respect, I'm on a Canadian forum, discussing the churches here, not there.
 

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Im sorry I didnt see a "Canadian " Label at the top of the thread......Is there any particular place Im allowed my opinion or should I get off the site entirely? Just let me know when yiou decide were I "belong"...........Learn that attitude in church?
 

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Some do judge, but if you judge them then you become what you hate about them. It's a fine balance. It gets me angry too when people judge others for their beliefs and Christians tend to do this most. But from what I've learned about religion, judgment is frowned upon. So why do they judge? The bible says you shouldn't judge, or kill. Yet many religious types where glad when Saddam Hussein was judged by a kangaroo court and then hung. Many religious types are in favor of the death penalty. Why? Why do they judge gay people? Isn't final judgment left for God?
 

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Im sorry I didnt see a "Canadian " Label at the top of the thread......Is there any particular place Im allowed my opinion or should I get off the site entirely? Just let me know when yiou decide were I "belong"...........Learn that attitude in church?

self, I really didn't mean it to be attitude, but, it's apples and oranges. The tales I hear about the church coming out of the US, versus the experiences we've had with the church in our communities, are such a far cry from one another that you'd barely think they were one and the same. And, I find the whole forum very confusing.... I joined a forum title Canadian Content.... so I kind of assumed that most conversations are within that context. Perhaps you're accessing these threads from a forum titled American content, I have no idea.
 

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Catholics do, in fact Christians do. I guess that hurts my feelings and it makes me mad.

that's a bit of a generalization to be fair... I have never claimed my religion to be 'the one'. and I think most religions are just putting different names on the same force that runs through our lives.
 

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This is my theory as to why people turn to religion. From what I've observed, allot of people turn to Christianity because they've hit rock bottom in their lives. My Dad used to try to take me to church and most people I saw there were ex drug users, or out of work. This seems so phony to me. You shouldn't go to church because you hope God will make your life better, and the only reason your there is because you have no where else to turn.
Sometimes people who are ill want to be cured. You see this on TV. A preacher, preying on the desperate, "heals" these sick people with the power of the Lord. I am sure that if there is a hell these preachers are going there.
Another reason people find religion is because they've been harassed by religious crusaders. Why do these religious types have to "spread the word"?
And finally, people turn to religion because they honestly believe it's the answer. This should be the only reason.
What other reasons are there? There must be millions.
LOL Reminds me of a thory I have: that minus the atheists and those ignorant of religion (babies, turnip-people, etc.), there are some 6 and ½ billion religions out there. :D
I have a belief system, too, though. Sometimes I believe I'll have a beer, sometimes I believe I'll cross the lake, etc.
 
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Oh, yeah, the topic. Sorry, I can't keep up with the other minds sometimes. :D

Why people find religion :

To modify something Albert Einstein said once; The desire for guidance, love, and support prompts men to form the social or moral conception of religions.
(the original is "The desire for guidance, love, and support prompts men to form the social or moral conception of God." - Albert Einstein)

Then there's JK Galbraith: "It is a far, far better thing to have a firm anchor in nonsense than to put out on the troubled sea of thought."
and
"The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking. "

and "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth."
Umberto Eco

and Sir Ian McKellen (X-Men movies, The DaVinci Code, Lord of the Rings movies): "I've often thought the Bible should have a disclaimer in the front saying 'This is Fiction'."

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Well, if and when you start having those experiences with the Catholic churches in BC and Alberta, then I'll gladly listen. But it seems to be the consensus of most people within the US, that the Catholic church there is quite different from what I'm used to. why? I have no idea. but, here, the attitudes are different.re.


There is quite a kernel of truth in what you write. The American Catholic church is vastly different in tone and attitude from the Canadian one. I sometimes wonder if it is because here it is the largest denomination and really has been a large part of the fabric of the country as it has developed, both for good and bad.

We seem to be able, for the most part, to join our traditions with newer ideology that reflects compassion and presence of Christ in so many people.

Like you, joining the forum seemed to indicate to me the bulk of the conversations would somehow reflect experiences and views from Canadians. In fact, that is what first attracted me to this forum. I had been on other forums with mostly Americans and grew tired of endlessly discussing their issues. Not because it was wrong to do so, but for the most part had no relevance to my life. What do I care about their two party system for example? They're not my political parties and I don't have to vote for either of them:)

There is nothing wrong with Americans, either on American orientated forums or here, discussing their opinions. It's just that most of us, being Canadian, want to reflect on issues pertinent to us as Canadians, hence CANADIAN CONTENT.