Why myths about poor endure

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When a laborer in a sweatshop in the Phllipines or Banagaladesh or China or India or Mexico or etc. is paid pennies a day for a product that shows up on the shelves of Zellers KMart and WalMart who do you think is winning the war on poverty?
When the wealthy purchase products, are they buying products at the same stores?
When the opportunities for children...when it comes to education and participating in social activities at school that require special equipment..sporting goods for example... who has the benefit of an income capable of meeting the expectations that the wealthy dictate?
When a kid wearing used clothing and a kid wearing designer jeans (or a suit) apply for a job...in the postmodern world of consumerism...who do you think makes the most favorable first impression?
Is it poor kids who require extra bus fair...or is it the children dropped off at the school by their parents (or nannies) from the Escalade and the Johnny Bauer Explorerer? When activities that poor adults and children of poor people wish to participate in..is limited by subsistance incomes....who ultimately pays the price?
When more money can be made selling crack and MJ on the corner...who's going to be the people selling this stuff?
When governments create black-markets for tobacco products and firearms, who will be most vulnerable to being convinced that the wealthy don't really care about how the poor live..and will be more easily talked-into criminal activity...?
To suggest that the measure of poverty is simply a matter of income....is like suggesting that the children of wealthy families don't buy and sell drugs....we know they do...and we know that the reason why they do is because there's much more going on in the dynamic of that family and this society than simply that poor people make poor choices...
Poverty is a systemic issue and the perception of poor people being less-entitled to everything from high-priced legal help to a shot at an interview for a job is every bit as similar to other constructs in this society. Women have faced a double standard forever...and so have the poor.
 

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"The poor you will always have with you" Matthew 26:11

And so? This means we must not try and help those less fortunate than ourselves? That we should not offer compassion and support as a society because of this one "OUT OF CONTEXT" verse of Scripture? Are you implying Jesus condoned poverty and supported it?

Sorry to ramble, but frankly I get so sick to death of people pulling pieces of the Bible out of the air out of context to the passage it was taken from.
 

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I can tell you about one myth about the poor. One of our neighbors had a young, married daughter with two children, twin boys. The husband decided life was too hard trying to support a wife and two young children so he left. This young girl was knocked up while she was still in high school and had no visible skills that would get her a decent job so one way or another, she ended up on welfare. The amount that welfare was willing to pay was about a hundred and twenty dollars over and above what her rent and utilities cost., not including a telephone. That hundred and twenty had to buy food and everything for a month. The myth of young single parents ripping off the system is BS. This young lady made some poor decisions no doubt, but the way it is now, she will pay for those bad decisions for a long time.
 

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I can tell you about one myth about the poor. One of our neighbors had a young, married daughter with two children, twin boys. The husband decided life was too hard trying to support a wife and two young children so he left. This young girl was knocked up while she was still in high school and had no visible skills that would get her a decent job so one way or another, she ended up on welfare. The amount that welfare was willing to pay was about a hundred and twenty dollars over and above what her rent and utilities cost., not including a telephone. That hundred and twenty had to buy food and everything for a month. The myth of young single parents ripping off the system is BS. This young lady made some poor decisions no doubt, but the way it is now, she will pay for those bad decisions for a long time.


Same in Ontario. Social Services grants a lady I know, single mom as well with two kids, 1200 a month. Her rent is 750 = hydro. She has to buy groceries for a month. And can just have a hell of a good time on all that is left:)
 
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sanctus

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thanks Padre. better you than me.

You're welcome. It just steams my grits when people try to use Scriptures without obviously understanding what they are reading. Take that mis-quote from Walter. It is taken from a passage in Matthew where Jesus is basically telling his Apostles to enjoy their time with Him well they can, since He will be leaving them soon. He points out that the world will be the same, only He will have left it, thus, "the poor you will have with you always". In other words, after He has gone physically from them, there will still be the woes of the world they will HAVE TO DEAL WITH. In no shape, manner or form was this passage to suggest that the poor should never be helped and should, essentially, just stay poor.

Sorry...here endeth the lesson....:)
 

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Yeah, more unadmirable behavior is routinely performed by gov'ts. Why the hell do we even have gov'ts if it can't do its work properly?

Feel free anyone to call me a rabid socialist, but there is no excuse what-so-ever in a country as rich as ours for people to be in such dire straights, whether it is their own fault or not. It is our moral obligation to ensure that all the citizens of this country have a comfortable life. Why can't the governments really help these people?

Here's another example that puzzles me. One of my families is a man and woman(not married but they think I don't know that ;-) ), with three kids. Man works at a minimum wage job and they receive supplements from Social Services. Here's the odd thing, they would get more if he actually quit his job. Soc. Services takes off almost 3/4 of their support cheque because he is working. In other words, they can't possibly get ahead as a family and will stay in this rut for the forseeable future.
 

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...Sorry...here endeth the lesson....:)

not bad. but you left out the part about it being in the same chapter as the parable of the sheeps and the goats.

whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers...
(nice tune but melody for the verses could have used some work)
 

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Feel free anyone to call me a rabid socialist, but there is no excuse what-so-ever in a country as rich as ours for people to be in such dire straights, whether it is their own fault or not. It is our moral obligation to ensure that all the citizens of this country have a comfortable life. Why can't the governments really help these people?
Gov'ts are supposed to, but seemingly can't.

Here's another example that puzzles me. One of my families is a man and woman(not married but they think I don't know that ;-) ), with three kids. Man works at a minimum wage job and they receive supplements from Social Services. Here's the odd thing, they would get more if he actually quit his job. Soc. Services takes off almost 3/4 of their support cheque because he is working. In other words, they can't possibly get ahead as a family and will stay in this rut for the forseeable future.
It's similar here in BC. Not only that but disabled people are under the same classification as SS recipients. I fail at figuring that one out, too.
 

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And so? This means we must not try and help those less fortunate than ourselves? That we should not offer compassion and support as a society because of this one "OUT OF CONTEXT" verse of Scripture? Are you implying Jesus condoned poverty and supported it?

Sorry to ramble, but frankly I get so sick to death of people pulling pieces of the Bible out of the air out of context to the passage it was taken from.
If you knew the context you would realize that this verse means that there sometimes are more important things that caring for the poor.
 

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If you knew the context you would realize that this verse means that there sometimes are more important things that caring for the poor.

and what, pray tell, do you consider to be equally as important as the nazarene's crucifiction?
 

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If you knew the context you would realize that this verse means that there sometimes are more important things that caring for the poor.

Ah, if only he understood the context. That's one of the problems with these priests, they're very unschooled in the meaning of the Bible. Silly creatures.
 

Walter

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and what, pray tell, do you consider to be equally as important as the nazarene's crucifiction?
I often tell my children, "Never show your ingnorance." Please read the whole passage in Matthew before you reply with more non-sequiturs.
 

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If you knew the context you would realize that this verse means that there sometimes are more important things that caring for the poor.

Are you, let me see if I get this, suggesting I have NOT read this passage in context? Pay tell, do give me your exegesis of the passage. Remember it must be consistent with the faith as it has always been known and taught , and not some off the wall "the Holy Ghost whispered in my ear" mumbo-jumbo type of explanation.
 

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Ah, if only he understood the context. That's one of the problems with these priests, they're very unschooled in the meaning of the Bible. Silly creatures.

What book is that? Is that that Big Black thing with all the pages in it? The one that forms 90% of our Liturgy--that book?--yeah...I've heard of it:)