Why Men Don't Do Anything About It

Toro

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Tamarin Women by their very nature often use their tongue and wits rather than fists and fighting.

I once dated a woman for a few months who was like this. She'd say off the cuff mocking and abusive things, and when I'd get off the phone with her, I couldn't believe what she said.

So I just stopped calling her and started dating nicer women instead. Stupid bee-atch!
 

temperance

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I think abuse, verbal,l physical, mental should be dealt with as a couple ,premarital concealing/marriage success training (non religious) is a wonderful way to start a marriage /long term relationship ,exploring expectations and who is going to handle which affairs ,preventative is much more acceptable ,once abuse has started the longer it goes on the harder to recoup --

Lots of people dive in and let things build up without learning how to communicate with each other and thats how abuse starts (non communtication),if you were to pre evaluate and go thur a series of courses(self partner awareness) with future mate you may find some attributes that need immediate Attn. or maybe your not compatible
 

s243a

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I think abuse, verbal,l physical, mental should be dealt with as a couple ,premarital concealing/marriage success training (non religious) is a wonderful way to start a marriage /long term relationship ,exploring expectations and who is going to handle which affairs ,preventative is much more acceptable ,once abuse has started the longer it goes on the harder to recoup --

Lots of people dive in and let things build up without learning how to communicate with each other and thats how abuse starts (non communtication),if you were to pre evaluate and go thur a series of courses(self partner awareness) with future mate you may find some attributes that need immediate Attn. or maybe your not compatible

Are you suggesting that couples work it out? That won't always work and even if it does won't be a pleasant processes for at least one of the parties.
 

temperance

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I'm suggesting preventative so it does go that far --
And of course it doesnt always help ,lots of times its too late but to repeat the same problem or attract that same type of person can be prevented
 

Dexter Sinister

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Aw jeez.... been there, done that. I left my first wife after 5 years because of what I perceived to be psychological and emotional abuse. She never hit me, never threw anything at me, never overtly threatened me, everything she did was perfectly deniable because I was the only person who saw it. Two years into the marriage she made a unilateral policy announcement: there will be no children, ever. That was not acceptable, I grew up as one of six siblings in a happy family and I couldn't imagine never being anybody's dad. I concede that she's perfectly entitled to make such a decision for herself, but what she's not entitled to do is say one thing before marriage and another thing afterward that so significantly changes the terms of the contract. Three years later, I finally abandoned her and started over, having failed to convince her that was a choice I could not accept, and in the meantime enduring a great deal of very destructive scorn and mockery and belittlement over what I now perceive that she saw as my refusal to devote myself totally to her the way she wanted. I have never in my life since encountered anybody as totally selfish as she turned out to be, and I've kicked myself around the block a thousand times for failing to perceive that in time to avoid marrying her in the first place. I had no idea I could be so badly tricked.

And 30 years later, I still have not really been able to forgive her. Or me. Thinking about it still makes me angry and frustrated. So I'll stop now. I probably should have gone for psychological counseling, but I never did. Like the OP says, real men don't do that, they tough it out, deny it, claim they're okay when they're clearly not... Sometimes I'm not very smart, and if my present wife of 27 years were a lesser woman than she is, I'd be in serious trouble.
 
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karrie

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Hmm...

I once slammed my husband into a wall and tried to strangle him.

Another time, I had to head to the emergency room to have my hand x-rayed after hitting him made the small bone beneath my pinky crack.
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Betcha didn't see that coming.

The first incident made me painfully aware that women are just as capable of lashing out in anger as men are. The fact that he just stared in shock for two seconds before bursting out laughing didn't help my fury either. It was the next day we realized a pregnancy was the cause of my absolute 'unhingedness'.

The second incident, well, that one just made me painfully aware that ER nurses ignore the obvious signs of abuse. "How did you injure your hand mam?" "Well, I hit my husband..." "Okay" For anyone wondering, it was meant to be a backhanded slap to the shoulder, the sort of thing I'd give anyone being a smart a__ and goofing around. But he flinched and brought his elbow up. So, instead of a meaty shoulder a foot and a half away, I connected with bone inches away.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Betcha didn't see that coming.
No, I didn't, but I know where you're coming from. I left my first wife partly to protect her, when I realized two things: I was so angry I wanted to kill her, and I could easily have done it. She was tiny, 5'1" and under 100 pounds, about half my size, she wouldn't have had a chance if I really went for her.

Leaving her seemed better than strangling her.
 

sanctus

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I think abuse, verbal,l physical, mental should be dealt with as a couple ,premarital concealing/marriage success training (non religious) is a wonderful way to start a marriage /long term relationship ,exploring expectations and who is going to handle which affairs ,preventative is much more acceptable ,once abuse has started the longer it goes on the harder to recoup --

Lots of people dive in and let things build up without learning how to communicate with each other and thats how abuse starts (non communtication),if you were to pre evaluate and go thur a series of courses(self partner awareness) with future mate you may find some attributes that need immediate Attn. or maybe your not compatible


That sounds good, but in reality abusive personalities are not going to necessarily manifest before the wedding. Usually it is a behaviour pattern that starts after the nuptials. And saddly, abusive behaviour isn't a result of lack of communication between a couple, most times. The abuser does so from individual psychological issues.
 

sanctus

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e that ER nurses ignore the obvious signs of abuse. "How did you injure your hand mam?" "Well, I hit my husband..." "Okay" For anyone wondering, it was meant to be a backhanded slap to the shoulder, the sort of thing I'd give anyone being a smart a__ and goofing around. But he flinched and brought his elbow up. So, instead of a meaty shoulder a foot and a half away, I connected with bone inches away.

There is, oddly enough, a very real reverse sexism that goes on in these cases. If a woman slaps a man, nobody blinks an eye. But if a man slaps a woman, the general public reacts as if the man is an evil monster.

One of the gentlemen in my group didn't suffer physical abuse. Like Dex he has endured almost 15 years of negative, vicious name-calling and demoralizing from his wife. To see her you'd never guess it. It's left him in a situation where he doubts everything about himself, from his abilities to his opinions.

I think, and psychology in general agrees, that emotional abuse is far more destructive than physical abuse.
 

sanctus

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And 30 years later, I still have not really been able to forgive her. Or me. Thinking about it still makes me angry and frustrated. So I'll stop now. I probably should have gone for psychological counseling, but I never did. Like the OP says, real men don't do that, they tough it out, deny it, claim they're okay when they're clearly not... Sometimes I'm not very smart, and if my present wife of 27 years were a lesser woman than she is, I'd be in serious trouble.

What a brave admission on your part. The thing is, and what allot of women don't understand, is this powerful socializing agent done to us as boys that makes us men usually prevents us from admitting these types of things. In the male world, one just would never share this sort of thing with your buddies. You and I both know the sort of comments we'd get if we were to do so.

And that's sad really. As men we have had drummed out of us the ability to relate to other men on an emotional level. All the feminist jargon now so popular aside, that aspect of masculine behaviour has not changed.
 

Niflmir

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There is, oddly enough, a very real reverse sexism that goes on in these cases. If a woman slaps a man, nobody blinks an eye. But if a man slaps a woman, the general public reacts as if the man is an evil monster.

One of the gentlemen in my group didn't suffer physical abuse. Like Dex he has endured almost 15 years of negative, vicious name-calling and demoralizing from his wife. To see her you'd never guess it. It's left him in a situation where he doubts everything about himself, from his abilities to his opinions.

I think, and psychology in general agrees, that emotional abuse is far more destructive than physical abuse.

I think the social acceptance of the double standard towards physical vs. mental abuse starts very early on. We just don't punish name calling and rumor mongering like we punish physical violence. Which is absurd when you realize that the rumor mongering could easily have permanent ramifications on a person's life!
 

sanctus

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I think the social acceptance of the double standard towards physical vs. mental abuse starts very early on. We just don't punish name calling and rumor mongering like we punish physical violence. Which is absurd when you realize that the rumor mongering could easily have permanent ramifications on a person's life!


Good points. rumours and name-calling can be seriously devastating to the victim, and can have an effect on their behaviour and personality years after the incidents.
 

karrie

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There is, oddly enough, a very real reverse sexism that goes on in these cases. If a woman slaps a man, nobody blinks an eye. But if a man slaps a woman, the general public reacts as if the man is an evil monster.

One of the gentlemen in my group didn't suffer physical abuse. Like Dex he has endured almost 15 years of negative, vicious name-calling and demoralizing from his wife. To see her you'd never guess it. It's left him in a situation where he doubts everything about himself, from his abilities to his opinions.

I think, and psychology in general agrees, that emotional abuse is far more destructive than physical abuse.

My husband and I have actually cut people out of our lives before, because of the verbal abuses occurring in their relationships. One couple, neighbors of ours, were so much fun. I'd get together with her for coffee and we'd talk for hours. Hubby got him a job where he worked, and they'd visit all day at work, go for lunch, putter around the acreage, work on the tractors together, etc. Just great friends. But the instant you got him and her together, it was HELLISH. The name calling and putdowns. Argh! I'd even comment on it as gently as I could, to no avail. And we tried really hard to lead by example, but MAN, we just couldn't take it after a while. I'll never understand, because it wore on us just having to listen to it, how they could live every day like that.
 

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Just like the sterotyping that conditions males to flat or no affect....just like the social chorus of outrage when a terrible thing like the recent VT tragedy....just like the myth that racism and poverty "can't" be beaten....we cling to perspectives that ensure the status quo.
We need a sea-change in our cultures and societies that won't be made possible by band-aid solutions like focusing-in-on "guns" as the culprit behind firearms abuse. A culture that identifies violence whether between males and females or between people of color and whites...between young and old...the list goes on and on....what outcome can one reasonably expect?
If we can agree that the structures of law and social order stem from the need to marshal the human propensity to violence and the over-emphasis placed on "personal expression" before we become comfortable with the realization that we are all in this together.... we won't solve any of the issues that we as a society and a civilization repeat with cyclic regularity.
Enforcing laws is one thing, promulgating change in how people internalize the world and the frameworks of justice morality and ethics is quite another.
 

talloola

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Abusers definitely should be dealt with, there is a problem there, and that behavior must stop.
But, in my opinion, those who allow 'anyone' to abuse them, also have a problem, and need
to learn to have more respect for 'themselves', and 'never' allow anyone to do that to them more
than 'once'.
 

MikeyDB

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Describe the parameters for me would you? Is it abusive to decide that since we can't devote the time and money to taking care of our elderly because it takes two incomes to raise a family and because the world demands we dash through our lives just ahead of the bill-collector...that we somehow find enough money to put Uncle Sid in an old-folks home.... Or we decide that Uncle Sid really doesn't need his mediation more than he needs his heart medications....
We face a connundrum of choice. When males know that anything they say in their defence of behaviour that has brought a woman to physical harm....will be dismissed and rejected...what's the point in stopping at a slap in the face? Why not go for a broken arm?
When one segment of society claims that spanking your child is abuse and another is prepared to dress young girls up in sexy-clothing and parade them around as animals in a contest...when our advertising industries thrive on marginalizing everyone who doesn't own the appropriate...those socially sanctioned accoutrements of modern consumerism...while we watch as people rummage through our garbage bins....
Where are you prepared to say that some line exists determining what you will or won't tolerate in your society then what do and can we do about chaning these perceptions?
 

talloola

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Describe the parameters for me would you? Is it abusive to decide that since we can't devote the time and money to taking care of our elderly because it takes two incomes to raise a family and because the world demands we dash through our lives just ahead of the bill-collector...that we somehow find enough money to put Uncle Sid in an old-folks home.... Or we decide that Uncle Sid really doesn't need his mediation more than he needs his heart medications....
We face a connundrum of choice. When males know that anything they say in their defence of behaviour that has brought a woman to physical harm....will be dismissed and rejected...what's the point in stopping at a slap in the face? Why not go for a broken arm?


Don't get the connection at all in the first paragraph, doesn't apply to my thoughts.
I really was only referring to one on one situations, husbands/wives, couples/ bullies,/
I can't go into the situation of many types of troubles in society, would have to think
about those things, each, and on their own, too complex for me to try to ramble through
right now, as you stirred many things into one pot.
I only know that I would not accept or give physical/mental abuse to my husband, and nor would he.
If anyone ever physical/mentally abused me in a relationship, I would be outa there so fast, and it would
not happen a second time, and should be the same for men.
Don't stay around anyone who doesn't enhance your life, and help you be happy and
content. I would rather live in a tent under a bridge with my dog, than endure an abusive
relationship from anyone.