Why is Israel threatening to murder Arafat?

moghrabi

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researchok said:
moghrabi said:
researchok said:
In other words, you cant cherry pick only what is applicable to the Palestinians. Th erefugee issue has to be resolved in a comprehensive manner.

Further, there is NO referance to return of land PRIOR to peace.

or vice versa. However, it states that israel must allow the pals in. All of them.

Also you stated that the return of 800,000 jews to be returened, can you kindly give a link to a resoultion that indicates as such if any.



Yeah< ican dig it out.

By the way, you do know that 194 is non binding, right?

Please provide a link to me saying it is not binding.
 

moghrabi

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Chewy said:
reguardless of what did or did not do,
a)does International Law protect heads of State?
b)Is Arafat recognized as a head of State?

Arafat is a head of state. He was elected as president of the PA in 1996 under the supervision of the UN.
 

researchok

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Re 194:

The United Nations first took up the refugee issue and adopted Resolution 194 on December 11, 1948. This called upon the Arab states and Israel to resolve all outstanding issues through negotiations either directly, or with the help of the Palestine Conciliation Commission established by this resolution. Furthermore, Point 11 resolves:

that refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which under principles of international law or in equity should be made good by Governments or authorities responsible. Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of refugees and payment of compensation... (emphasis added).

The emphasized words demonstrate that the UN recognized that Israel could not be expected to repatriate a hostile population that might endanger its security. The solution to the problem, like all previous refugee problems, would require at least some Palestinians to be resettled in Arab lands.

No peace treaty, no return.
 

researchok

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194c is a Generakl Assembly ruling, and not a Security Council ruling-- thus non binding.

ALL GA rulings are non bimding.
 

moghrabi

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researchok said:
Re 194:


that refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which under principles of international law or in equity should be made good by Governments or authorities responsible. Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of refugees and payment of compensation... (emphasis added).

The emphasized words demonstrate that the UN recognized that Israel could not be expected to repatriate a hostile population that might endanger its security. The solution to the problem, like all previous refugee problems, would require at least some Palestinians to be resettled in Arab lands.

No peace treaty, no return.

how can we say that they will not live in peace given a soverign country. Aslo, No peace treaty no return - where in hell did this come from.
 

Chewy

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So then by defination the "new Iraq" has not been recognized nor has its heads of state. Small tangent
 

researchok

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how can we say that they will not live in peace given a soverign country. Aslo, No peace treaty no return - where in hell did this come from.

As long as Hamas, Jihad et al-- who represent a sizeable portion of Pal society cannot be contained by Arafat and the PA-- how is peace possible.

They themselves have said they won't abide by a peace treaty.
 

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moghrabi said:
As head-of-state, Arafat would be treated with the full respect that is due to his office and would be recognized in his historical role as the symbol and father of the Palestinian people and its incipient state.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/massviolence/readings/Kelman oped.html

Sure-- Just as soon as there is a State.

There isnt one now.

Ask yourself a question-- why hasnt Arafat declared a State yet?
 

researchok

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As for 194 and jewish refugees, see below.

The resolution does not specify the nationality of the refugees; recall that the Palestinian Arab refugees, who voluntarily left Israel at the urging of their leaders, are approximately equal in number to the Jews who fled persecution from Arab countries. Any "right of return" or right to compensation is equally present in Resolution 194 for Arabs and Jews.
 

researchok

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moghrabi said:
How can he declare a state while he imprisoned between 4 walls for the last 3 years.

He can declare a state anytime he wants to.

He could have declared it earlier.

Theres a reason he didnt
 

moghrabi

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Sure. There are many reasons. One of them is what state? He does not know what he is getting. Do you want him to buy fish while still in the ocean?
 

researchok

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He can declare a State any time he wants to.

He has threatened to many times. He has been discouraged from doing so- by Arab countries in particular.

As a State, Palestine would have to provide postal service, garbage pickup, schools, etc.

They would be held accountable for everything-- and the gravy train would stop for PA leadership.
 

moghrabi

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Yes I know. But what state? What boundaries? What parts? Israel is chunking the land and keeping the settlers in the West bank. He is not going to do so until he knows what he is declaring.