Why disbelievers deny the Next Life

[MHz]

I'll leave it as fiction then as I have read most of your posts to date, you don't appear to have a very strong connection to reality.

 

[Angstrom]

I'll leave it as fiction then as I have read most of your posts to date, you don't appear to have a very strong connection to reality.

You don't have the mental capacity to even understand what I'm talking about, so it's not really worth my time trying to explain things to you. Is it?

 

[Ludlow]

You don't have the mental capacity to even understand what I'm talking about, so it's not really worth my time trying to explain things to you. Is it?

No,,he doesn't. There seems to be a disconnect in either his reception or transmission it's hard to tell. Maybe someone clubbed him on the head as a child and he just cain't cope with communication in any sense of the word.

I doubt very much that we promote anything close to being the same about any part of the book. If I didn't believe it the way I do now I would have left it a long time ago, say about when I was 12 until I was about 35.


Obviously we do not have the same view of any part of the book. Belief in universal salvation means no conversion is needed as God finds those who do not find Him first. When you start trying to convert that is the time to back away as you are making yourself a preacher rather than being a reader that is trying to understand the whole book. If you take my posts as anything more than a defence as to why I am sane and a believer then you are reading too much into my posts. All my trolls think they know me better than I know myself. That includes what I believe about the book before I have even stated it fully. The concept of (you two) being wrong many years ago just never enters your mind as being possible and now you are all pissed that I can state a different doctrine that does stick to what the book says. I don't feel very threaten by people like that. Their lack of any argument that disputes my version is hardly a reason to abandon it considering it took decades to arrive at where it now is. That also means actually talking about said book rather than the types of threads that this place produces.


4 times, you sure you have that correct as Mark and John don't cover that part, Mark starts with the baptism bt John and John starts off with some quotes from John the Baptist.


Actually I suggested that all the books after the 4 Gospels were dictated by Christ. The 4 Gospels by eyewitnesses were give help in getting the quotes down accurately. If you make mistakes like this when I just posted the reply then how do you not thing you are just as slack when trying to remember what the book actually said way back when you last opened it. LL is going to say I don't anything but when pushing him to explain the context of the 'sermon from Matthew:5,6,7 there is nothing but a vague reference about fear and trembling. I doubt your version is much different.

Joh:14:26:
But the Comforter,
which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.


Try 4 different people tell the same version and some versions are slightly different. The best example to show that it takes all 4 before you have the 'complete story; is about the cross and the tomb. Another example is it takes two Gospels to define when silence started and when it was to end as far as the vision of Christ with Moses and Elias. If you can point any of it out then we believe in the same Gospel. I doubt you can so we are worlds apart in what the book says so your reason for ditching has nothing to do with me and why I am sane and a believer.


Got some references for the two Gospels I mentioned that do not mention the birth. Matthew;s version would have come from Peter and he would have got the info at the wedding they we at in the first part of the Gospel of John (the Baptist)


Wrong again. I read and then applied the grey matter and what came out is the doctrine I still promote. When did you apply your matter to it the last time? Sometime before you were a mature adult would be my guess and it has been stagnate ever since, except for the complete support of the Jewish people no matter what they are doing. Look around, that part is changing globally also.




Got a certificate for that or should I just take your word for it|?

There's no way in hell anyone could have spent that many years studying anything and still yet know so little about the subject unless of course they are full on retard which might be the case in your situation.

 

[Jinentonix]

Tell us. Why did you want to convert people. I know what my motive was I'd be interested in hearing yours.

I don't know really. I never really sat down and thought about it. I guess on some level I wanted to "save" people, although now I'm not exactly sure from what. :lol:
In other ways, I guess I felt it was my duty to my religion. Although I didn't go out of my way to cram it down people's throats, I would take any opportunity that presented itself to discuss it. But doing so I learned something very important. It's hard enough to convince someone about anything even if you have cold, hard, empirical fact on your side. Trying to convince someone that God exists and Jesus was the Son of God when all you have is a book as your evidence, and it fails the litmus test on so many levels, well, you start asking yourself real questions.


On top of that, one would think that a book that is supposed to have divine origins would be pretty clear cut in its messages, not something that's open to a whole variety of personal interpretations.

 

[Ludlow]

I don't know really. I never really sat down and thought about it. I guess on some level I wanted to "save" people, although now I'm not exactly sure from what. :lol:
In other ways, I guess I felt it was my duty to my religion. Although I didn't go out of my way to cram it down people's throats, I would take any opportunity that presented itself to discuss it. But doing so I learned something very important. It's hard enough to convince someone about anything even if you have cold, hard, empirical fact on your side. Trying to convince someone that God exists and Jesus was the Son of God when all you have is a book as your evidence, and it fails the litmus test on so many levels, well, you start asking yourself real questions.


On top of that, one would think that a book that is supposed to have divine origins would be pretty clear cut in its messages, not something that's open to a whole variety of personal interpretations.

I'll be honest. Mine was ego pure and simple. All of a sudden I knew it all and I wanted folks to know it. Such is the virus of religion.

I'll be honest. Mine was ego pure and simple. All of a sudden I knew it all and I wanted folks to know it. Such is the virus of religion.

That's what Megapuke suffers from although he actually knows very little . I'm sensing an internet crash course.

 

[MHz]

I doubt you have given it much of a test. What are some examples of your 'real questions'.

Clear cut, how about we have a chat about the message presented by using just the first and last 3 books in the Bible?
Test 1 is to see if it makes more sense as view as an ancient text made of an ancient people or an ancient text meant for people in our generation (and on). Basically the beginning and end of this earth and the progression into the next level. Spend a few pages on that and then examine how the rest of the book can be applied to the two bruises from Ge:3:15 and that the bulk of the book just deals with those two events, one is past and the other is still in our future.

 

[Jinentonix]

I'll be honest. Mine was ego pure and simple. All of a sudden I knew it all and I wanted folks to know it. Such is the virus of religion.

Yep, it sure is. Just wish there was a way to kill off the virus without resorting to wiping 3/4 of the population.

 

[MHz]

I'll be honest. Mine was ego pure and simple. All of a sudden I knew it all and I wanted folks to know it. Such is the virus of religion.


That's what Megapuke suffers from although he actually knows very little . I'm sensing an internet crash course.

At some point you must have come across something that told you your version sucked. That is your virus, I have my opinions but I also know that taking with other believers (none on this site) just about always led to some new information being found.

You know as much about me as you know about the Bible, zip would be the best term to sum it up. Now you just look stupid and can't back down or you will look even more stupid. It's fuk all to me that you keep digging a hole for yourself. You should have stuck to asking me questions that you asked yourself that you couldn't find an answer too. So far it sound like you are a two time loser as far as understanding the book.

 

[Jinentonix]

I doubt you have given it much of a test. What are some examples of your 'real questions'.

Clear cut, how about we have a chat about the message presented by using just the first and last 3 books in the Bible?
Test 1 is to see if it makes more sense as view as an ancient text made of an ancient people or an ancient text meant for people in our generation (and on). Basically the beginning and end of this earth and the progression into the next level. Spend a few pages on that and then examine how the rest of the book can be applied to the two bruises from Ge:3:15 and that the bulk of the book just deals with those two events, one is past and the other is still in our future.

*Yawn* And Middle Earth and Hobbits and Elves and Dwarves and dragons and wargs and walking trees all existed. I should know. I read it in a book that's sold more copies than the Koran and almost as many copies as the Bible. :lol:

 

[MHz]

Yep, it sure is. Just wish there was a way to kill off the virus without resorting to wiping 3/4 of the population.

You could always trying using the book, it sure worked for you coming up with a permanent case of disbelief. Too bad even that is for the wrong reasons, how much of a failure would that make either of your two? If religion is such a virus why do you both hold Jews in high esteem? (considering how ****ty they are at running the world)

 

[Jinentonix]

You could always trying using the book, it sure worked for you coming up with a permanent case of disbelief. Too bad even that is for the wrong reasons, how much of a failure would that make either of your two? If religion is such a virus why do you both hold Jews in high esteem? (considering how ****ty they are at running the world)

Who said I hold Jews in such high esteem? That's just you making sh*t up, just like your religious leaders.

 

[MHz]

*Yawn* And Middle Earth and Hobbits and Elves and Dwarves and dragons and wargs and walking trees all existed. I should know. I read it in a book that's sold more copies than the Koran and almost as many copies as the Bible. :lol:

My point was you don't understand the story the Bible is pushing, who cares what else you have read, if you were as sloppy reading it then you missed a good portion of the story. More likely you latched onto that book because you didn't have to think at all. Rather than read the Bible again (or specific parts) you closed it and determined it wasn't up to your (lack of) standards. I doubt you could even sum up what the term 'day of the lord' actually promotes.
You two want a pat on the back for being dumbfounded by a book, you won't be getting one from me. What you do get is an offer to try and stump me by coming up with some questions I haven't already considered in the time I have been reading the book.

 

[Ludlow]

At some point you must have come across something that told you your version sucked. That is your virus, I have my opinions but I also know that taking with other believers (none on this site) just about always led to some new information being found.

You know as much about me as you know about the Bible, zip would be the best term to sum it up. Now you just look stupid and can't back down or you will look even more stupid. It's fuk all to me that you keep digging a hole for yourself. You should have stuck to asking me questions that you asked yourself that you couldn't find an answer too. So far it sound like you are a two time loser as far as understanding the book.

It may be too late for you to reach a point of honest maturity and finally realize that you don't know your a$$ from a hole in the ground. Some fanatical lunatics never reach that point of evolution. Look at Oral Roberts. To his dying day he held on to his insanity although I'm quite sure the cash he brought in from saps that believed his bullshyt had a lot to do with it. .You however do not have that excuse. you're a lunatic for free. You don't know shyt, but the problem is you think you do. Until as Socrates said, you reach the point in your fukked up brain that you finally realize that you do not know anything, you will never start to grow . Simple as that. Keep deluding yourself and take your pills.

 

[selfsame]

Buddy, tell us more about how we think, or about how you
think we think, as interpreted by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly!


In your vast experience of thinking outside of your box, tell us
all how we think and why? Tell us why most Muslims, Christians,
Jews and others are wrong in the way they think & believe, if they
don't think & believe like you, as interpreted by Mohammed-Ali
Hassan Al-Hilly.

Ha! ... Himim ... So is it as such!? :laughing4:

If I don't believe in the Quran, why should I hold fast with it, or why should I prefer it to other ways and programs?
In other words: If other ways and programs are correct, why should I forsake them and hold fast with the Glorious Quran and the 'exclusive devotion to God alone'?

Quran 6: 153, which means:
{Surely, this [religion of the Islam q] is My 'standard and straight' way; therefore do you [men] follow it, but [in the future] follow not other ways [of falsehood], lest you should be parted from His way [because of the plighting and designing of the associaters of the other ways.] s
This [warning] He t has commanded you with; haply you will ward off [their plights and wickedness.]}
......................................................................

q With which I [: God] have commanded you, and to which I have guided you.

s It means: In the future, the Muslim nation will divide and deviate from the 'standard and straight' way; because the ways and programs of the falsehood [of your enemies] will work for dividing you, so their propaganda will influence you and their plights will inflict you; so it will lead to your dispersion away from His way.

t i.e. God – be glorified.

 

[Angstrom]

You could always trying using the book, it sure worked for you coming up with a permanent case of disbelief. Too bad even that is for the wrong reasons, how much of a failure would that make either of your two? If religion is such a virus why do you both hold Jews in high esteem? (considering how ****ty they are at running the world)

Because we realize it's relative.

The same way it's easy for the opposition to criticize when in opposition, and once the opposition ends up in power they end up doing exactly the same as the previous majority. Only once in power do you truly understand the position.

 

[Jinentonix]

My point was you don't understand the story the Bible is pushing.

But I do, it's a f*cking story. And like every other story in history, it was told/written by man.
Tell ya what sport, I'll give you the opportunity to definitively prove to me that the Bible was in effect written by God and Jesus. But there is one catch, you can't actually reference the Bible as your proof.




Anddddddd go.

 

[Angstrom]

Ha Himim :laughing4:

If I don't believe in the Quran, why should I hold fast with it, or why should I prefer it to other ways and programs?
In other words: If other ways and programs are correct, why should I forsake them and hold fast with the Glorious Quran and the 'exclusive devotion to God alone'?

Quran 6: 153, which means:
{Surely, this [religion of the Islam q] is My 'standard and straight' way; therefore do you [men] follow it, but [in the future] follow not other ways [of falsehood], lest you should be parted from His way [because of the plighting and designing of the associaters of the other ways.] s
This [warning] He t has commanded you with; haply you will ward off [their plights and wickedness.]}
......................................................................

q With which I [: God] have commanded you, and to which I have guided you.

s It means: In the future, the Muslim nation will divide and deviate from the 'standard and straight' way; because the ways and programs of the falsehood [of your enemies] will work for dividing you, so their propaganda will influence you and their plights will inflict you; so it will lead to your dispersion away from His way.

t i.e. God – be glorified.

To make a long story short.

Just because I say so...

Ya, That's not surprising.

Islam is full of enemies. I did notice.

 

[MHz]

Because we realize it's relative.

The same way it's easy for the opposition to criticize when in opposition, and once the opposition ends up in power they end up doing exactly the same as the previous majority. Only once in power do you truly understand the position.

That would certainly apply to LL as he admits trying to convert people and that doesn't seem to have worked out very good for him, just like trying to convert 'believers' into his version is again not working out too good for him

 

[Ludlow]

That would certainly apply to LL as he admits trying to convert people and that doesn't seem to have worked out very good for him, just like trying to convert 'believers' into his version is again not working out too good for him

Only conversion going on in here Maynard is your brain quickly converting into mush.

Shock treatment may be your only hope.lol

 

[selfsame]

To make a long story short.

Just because I say so...

Ya, That's not surprising.

Islam is full of enemies. I did notice.

What brilliant boy!? May God keep you for your mother :laughing6: