Why Canada is Obsessed with the US

EastSideScotian

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RE: Why Canada is Obsesse

Dont bother talking to Aeon, I have given up hope. He Constantly lives to bash anything right wing, even if it is decent. Or even if he has no clue about it.

Best thing is He is a Liberal as far as I can tell, and the Liberals got us in Afghanistan, thought I am sure he will refuse to let that get into his brain
 

Simpleton

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Champloo said:
That last statement. Yes Canadians have free healthcare, but the quality of healthcare for those who can afford it is better in the states, simply because the best doctors practice in the states and make more money here. Most Canadian politicians and wealthy people get treated in the states

I think many Canadians have the image of some poor shmuck bleeding to death in the emergency room while they try to check his insurance, which is far from the case. The hospital is obligated by law to treat emergency cases immediately and without question. To fail to treat someone, and be the direct cause of his death in not doing so, is punishable by prison time.


I agree with your statement, Canadians and Americans are pretty much the same. The only real difference is one side lives south, and one north of the 49th parallel. Both started as British colonies, one group decided to rebel, one group decided to stay loyal.

Yes, in terms of health care, the age old adage of "getting what you pay for" holds very true.

With respect to your last comment, it is interesting to note that the larger of the two groups were rebellious -- and victorious. Interesting note to a certain someone, if you're reading this. And you know who you are.
 

aeon

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Champloo said:
Now I hope you're talking about the war in Iraq and not the war in Afghanistan. The war in Afghanistan was completely justified, and that view is shared by the majority of the world.


Both war werent justified, otherwise where are the evidence that alquada are behing 9-11?? none


http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.
 

Champloo

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The war in Afghanistan was against the Taliban, not Al Qaeda. A separate entity.

And yes, killing 3 thousand people, and later having indisputable evidence pointing towards the Taliban, not to mention video evidence of their leader taking credit for the attack (theres your hard evidence). Yes, that isn't justification for an invasion of their home turf. You're right.
 

EastSideScotian

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We have told him time and time again that Bin Laden has admitted to it.

Let me ask you this Aeon

Michel moore, had that movie where he claimed Laden and Bush were in on it together, he never once argued that Bin laden had nothing to do with it, infact he shows the vidio of bin laden claiming the attack...

Just because Wikipedia tells you Bin laden told Pakistan(the country many think is allowing him to hide) he didnt do it is so he can infact hide there, and the Pakistani people would not be to upset. Its a world wide knowen fact that it has beena admitted he did it on video.
 

aeon

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Champloo said:
The war in Afghanistan was against the Taliban, not Al Qaeda. A separate entity.

And yes, killing 3 thousand people, and later having indisputable evidence pointing towards the Taliban, not to mention video evidence of their leader taking credit for the attack (theres your hard evidence). Yes, that isn't justification for an invasion of their home turf. You're right.


The war in afganisthan was against alquada, the war against taliban, was because they support bin laden and alquada, get your facts straight.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Before the United States invaded, the Taliban offered to turn over bin Laden to a neutral country for trial if the United States would provide evidence of bin Laden's complicity in the attacks. President Bush responded by saying "We know he's guilty. Turn him over" and soon thereafter the United States invaded Afghanistan and, together with the Afghan Northern Alliance, deposed the Taliban government.[6]
 

Claudius

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But as of now, the only thing we rely on you for is oil.

Note quite. The US Eastern seaboard and great lakes area relies heavily on electricity generated up here. Then there's forestry. US forests have made a slight recovery (10% growth rate), and lumber from us in bulk is such a better deal than using your own or importing form over seas, that if you did it has been projected to cost the average new home owner up to as much as 25% more for a new home. The US buys, last time I checked 90%+ of their uranium form us, and have for almost 50 years. Also it's far from unlikely we wouldn't find other buyers, just not ones who will buy in such bulk....just as the US could certainly buy elsewhere but everything would then have the 'imported from across that huge ocean' tax that in some cases would make it impossible. As far as Alaska and the oil goes, well the US is already drilling up there and whatever else they find will not recover what Canada sells them (but then why would we refuse? Who else are we going to sell it to?)

All patriotic posturing aside, the economic relationship between the US and Canada is not well described as "good business between good neighbors", but imo, is better characterized as conjoined twins who share each others resources to such an extreme extent that it would be hard to predict the out come of a separation. Certainly both, on a grass-roots, you-me-and-the-guy-next-to-you, would suffer immensely.

90% of what Canada gets from the US and what the US gets from Canada would cost detrimentally more if the conditions changed severely.
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aeon

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EastSideScotian said:
We have told him time and time again that Bin Laden has admitted to it.

Let me ask you this Aeon

Michel moore, had that movie where he claimed Laden and Bush were in on it together, he never once argued that Bin laden had nothing to do with it, infact he shows the vidio of bin laden claiming the attack...

Just because Wikipedia tells you Bin laden told Pakistan(the country many think is allowing him to hide) he didnt do it is so he can infact hide there, and the Pakistani people would not be to upset. Its a world wide knowen fact that it has beena admitted he did it on video.



Well, guys write a letter to the fbi ,and tell them what you know.
 

aeon

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Champloo said:
It's like talking to an overly biased brick wall. :(


Well i proved it to you , that you were damn wrong, NO EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT ALQUADA ARE BEHIND 9-11.You can't refute, therefore, the war in afaganisthan is unjustified.
 

Champloo

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Claudius said:
But as of now, the only thing we rely on you for is oil.

Note quite. The US Eastern seaboard and great lakes area relies heavily on electricity generated up here. Then there's forestry. US forests have made a slight recovery (10% growth rate), and lumber from us in bulk is such a better deal than using your own or importing form over seas, that if you did it has been projected to cost the average new home owner up to as much as 25% more for a new home. The US buys, last time I checked 90%+ of their uranium form us, and have for almost 50 years. Also it's far from unlikely we wouldn't find other buyers, just not ones who will buy in such bulk....just as the US could certainly buy elsewhere but everything would then have the 'imported from across that huge ocean' tax that in some cases would make it impossible. As far as Alaska and the oil goes, well the US is already drilling up there and whatever else they find will not recover what Canada sells them (but then why would we refuse? Who else are we going to sell it to?)

All patriotic posturing aside, the economic relationship between the US and Canada is not well described as 'good business between neighbors', but imo, is better characterized as conjoined twins who share each others resources to such extreme extent that it would be hard to predict the out come of a separation. Certainly both, on a grass-roots, you-me-and-the-guy-next-to-you, would suffer immensely.

90% of what Canada gets from the US and what the US gets from Canada would cost detrimentally more if the conditions changed severely.
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I only have a problem with people who seem to think it's a one sided dependancy, when Canada does indeed depend more on the U.S. then vise versa.
 

Champloo

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aeon said:
Champloo said:
It's like talking to an overly biased brick wall. :(


Well i proved it to you , that you were damn wrong, NO EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT ALQUADA ARE BEHIND 9-11.You can't refute, therefore, the war in afaganisthan is unjustified.

Do you REALLY consider quoting a paragraph from wikipedia proof? Did your mother drink while pregnant with you?
 

Claudius

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Well, guys write a letter to the fbi ,and tell them what you know.

Now, now aeon. Do I have to teach you the difference between hard evidence, evidence and absolutely no evidence again?

Do I have to remind you they had no 'hard evidence' of Capone's extortion and bootlegging and yet he was doing it. But to arrest and convict him they had to use tax evasion, because they had no "hard evidence" elsewhere.

I have a better idea: Why don't you call up the FBI and explain to them how "no hard evidence" somehow equals "no evidence".

Yet another commonplace reality aeon refuses to accept.


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Claudius

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I only have a problem with people who seem to think it's a one sided dependancy, when Canada does indeed depend more on the U.S. then vise versa.

I agree.

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Simpleton

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aeon said:
EastSideScotian said:
We have told him time and time again that Bin Laden has admitted to it.

Let me ask you this Aeon

Michel moore, had that movie where he claimed Laden and Bush were in on it together, he never once argued that Bin laden had nothing to do with it, infact he shows the vidio of bin laden claiming the attack...

Just because Wikipedia tells you Bin laden told Pakistan(the country many think is allowing him to hide) he didnt do it is so he can infact hide there, and the Pakistani people would not be to upset. Its a world wide knowen fact that it has beena admitted he did it on video.



Well, guys write a letter to the fbi ,and tell them what you know.

The FBI is one of those organizations that keeps a lot of secrets. They don't share a fraction of the information they have, with the public. That's just the way it is.

You can't fight crime effectively, if the criminals know everything that you know. Same thing applies for national defense. The NSA, the CIA, etcetera, etcetera, are organizations that are easy for the public to condemn, simply because they can't release much of the information that would prove them to be in the right, or would justify their errors. I do not envy leaders of these particular organizations.
 

Champloo

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I personally, wouldn't care about the public opinion. If they're too stupid to realise that it's in their best interests, then oh well.
 

aeon

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Champloo said:
Do you REALLY consider quoting a paragraph from wikipedia proof? Did your mother drink while pregnant with you?


How can i take you seriously?? tell me, i can't argue with someone who thought the war was against taliban, not alquada.
 

Champloo

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Who did most of the fighting against the U.S. in Afghanistan? The Taliban. Please, try to dispute that. It's enjoyable reading your responses.
 

aeon

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Simpleton said:
aeon said:
EastSideScotian said:
We have told him time and time again that Bin Laden has admitted to it.

Let me ask you this Aeon

Michel moore, had that movie where he claimed Laden and Bush were in on it together, he never once argued that Bin laden had nothing to do with it, infact he shows the vidio of bin laden claiming the attack...

Just because Wikipedia tells you Bin laden told Pakistan(the country many think is allowing him to hide) he didnt do it is so he can infact hide there, and the Pakistani people would not be to upset. Its a world wide knowen fact that it has beena admitted he did it on video.



Well, guys write a letter to the fbi ,and tell them what you know.

The FBI is one of those organizations that keeps a lot of secrets. They don't share a fraction of the information they have, with the public. That's just the way it is.

You can't fight crime effectively, if the criminals know everything that you know. Same thing applies for national defense. The NSA, the CIA, etcetera, etcetera, are organizations that are easy for the public to condemn, simply because they can't release much of the information that would prove them to be in the right, or would justify their errors. I do not envy leaders of these particular organizations.



Lol, i admit you are a funny person, thinking they held the evidence in secret is quite retarded at his best, try harder.
 

EastSideScotian

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Aeon, I think you need to Write The FBI and ask them about the Sept 11th attacks.......or tell them what you think....I am sure you will get a response something like this

Dear Aeon.
Have you been hideing Under a rock? We are the FBI and we cant even find where your mind went.