Why are you against Gay marriage?

[L Gilbert]

Other than economic reasons; which don't really count (marriage is too important to allow people to marry for money), the only reason to get married is to have a children.

Gay people, typically, cannot have children together.

Therefore, there is no reason for gay people to get married. Marrying for money is not a good enough reason.

As for adoption or one partner getting pregnant? The one partner that gets pregnant already has a commitment from the parent and it's absurd to have 3 parents. Adoption is a big commitment, and gay couples can commit to raising an adopted child without the necessity of marriage.

That's why there is no reason for Gay couples to have the right of marriage ... they have no reason other than economic.

As for the emotional bond ... maybe they need to grow up and realize that plenty of heterosexual couples are quite capable of having the emotional bond (for life, I might add) without the trappings of marriage. What is wrong with Gay people that they cannot 'commit for life' without marriage?

If it's just a pleasant document to have ... it's not a good enough reason.

Plenty of people get married and don't have kids. My wife and I just about adopted instead of having kids. No big deal. There's no rule that says people HAVE to have kids. What about old people that get married? What about ither people that aren't able to have kids. What a narrow-minded POV it is that thinks marriage is just for making babies. What about people that don't get married and have kids anyway?

 

[Ariadne]

I'm atheist and I don't care what other people's sex lives are all about and I'm no better than anyone else so I won't judge people's behaviors unless they tick me off and homosexuals haven't pissed me off and trolls have pissed me off and being Christian doesn't mean being judgemental and being trollish anyway and as far as I'm conccerned anyone who wants control over someone else's life and sexual habits are trolls and making up for some inadequacy in their own life.
Howzzat for a run-on sentence.

What does Gay marriage have to do with religion? Is someone actually suggesting that in order to be recognized by God as joined, Gay people have to have a judicial marriage license? That's absurd. Do they really need some guy "of the cloth" to tell them that their relationship is real for them to believe in it? Where does religion come into the equation? Did God say it was bad and someone wrote that in the Bible? If that's the case ... one only need realize that the book is a couple of thousand years old and may not be up to speed on modern societal issues.

 

[L Gilbert]

Live and let live and mind yer own bedroom business and nevermind everone else's.

 

[fatbasturd]

Adam and Steve......has a nice ring to it doesn't it.

 

[Ariadne]

Plenty of people get married and don't have kids. My wife and I just about adopted instead of having kids. No big deal. There's no rule that says people HAVE to have kids. What about old people that get married? What about ither people that aren't able to have kids. What a narrow-minded POV it is that thinks marriage is just for making babies. What about people that don't get married and have kids anyway?

Sure, but other than offering each other economic benefits and being recognized as a couple ... the marriage did nothing. I'm assuming that you were committed regardless of the judicial license. Today, people can be recognized as a couple without marriage. Brad Pitt and his girlfriend have a commitment that supercedes the judicial license. It would be a good idea for Brad to get married, particularly if he wants full parental rights, and in many cases it is beneficial for mothers to marry for child protection reasons, but marriage really has no benefit aside for the benefit of the children ... and to give people the confidence that their partner is not going to run off with a stranger next weekend. If it's nothing more that emotional security that marriage offers ... that's not good enough.


Believing that marriage is for the sake of the children is not a narrow minded view. Other than the sake of the children, I can't think of a good reason to get married. As previously mentioned, economics is not good enough, even for seniors.

 

[L Gilbert]

What does Gay marriage have to do with religion?

What does anyone's marriage have to do with religion? The religious thing is "holy matrimony" anyway.

Is someone actually suggesting that in order to be recognized by God as joined, Gay people have to have a judicial marriage license? That's absurd. Do they really need some guy "of the cloth" to tell them that their relationship is real for them to believe in it? Where does religion come into the equation? Did God say it was bad and someone wrote that in the Bible? If that's the case ... one only need realize that the book is a couple of thousand years old and may not be up to speed on modern societal issues.

I think people do suggest that a marriage license is required for some religions to recognize the marriage. I think it's up to whichever religion to decide if they will marry gays or not. Why would some Catholic tell some Protestant, for instance, that they cannot marry anyone? Religion came into the issue when Christians first started think marriage was a Christian domain only. The bible is only a guideline, not a rulebook, IMO. Others don't see it that way, though.

Anyway, if gays wanna get married it is none of my business and I don't think it's anyone else's business except who does the marrying and who gets married.

 

[El Barto]

Adam and Steve......has a nice ring to it doesn't it.

You have to invite to one of your parties sometime

 

[fatbasturd]

Done.... bring leather shorts and lots and lots of Cheese-Whiz, oh and a spatula.

 

[L Gilbert]

Sure, but other than offering each other economic benefits and being recognized as a couple ... the marriage did nothing.

So? Has this affected your marriage? Is it any of your business that "Adam and Steve" (thanks, FB, that's cute) get married

I'm assuming that you were committed regardless of the judicial license.

Yup, and I didn't give a crap what anyone else thought about the issue anyway, not that it would have been anyone else's business in the first place.

Today, people can be recognized as a couple without marriage. Brad Pitt and his girlfriend have a commitment that supercedes the judicial license. It would be a good idea for Brad to get married, particularly if he wants full parental rights, and in many cases it is beneficial for mothers to marry for child protection reasons, but marriage really has no benefit aside for the benefit of the children ... and to give people the confidence that their partner is not going to run off with a stranger next weekend. If it's nothing more that emotional security that marriage offers ... that's not good enough.

I don't give a crap what Pitt and Jolie do, it has no bearing on my marriage or our lives. Perhaps there's a benefit that you haven't thought about, like genuine love, for instance. That is why my wife and I are married. The whole thing in a nutshell was just plain old love. It wouldn't have mattered to me if we didn't get married, but we did and I won't say on the basis of mine whether anyone else should or shouldn't get married. I have no need for the control of it, nor do I feel threatened by the issue.

Believing that marriage is for the sake of the children is not a narrow minded view. Other than the sake of the children, I can't think of a good reason to get married. As previously mentioned, economics is not good enough, even for seniors.

Well, then quit trying to think of more reasons.

 

[fatbasturd]

So? Has this affected your marriage? Is it any of your business that "Adam and Steve" (thanks, FB, that's cute) get married Yup, and I didn't give a crap what anyone else thought about the issue anyway, not that it would have been anyone else's business in the first place. I don't give a crap what Pitt and Jolie do, it has no bearing on my marriage or our lives. Perhaps there's a benefit that you haven't thought about, like genuine love, for instance. That is why my wife and I are married. The whole thing in a nutshell was just plain old love. It wouldn't have mattered to me if we didn't get married, but we did and I won't say on the basis of mine whether anyone else should or shouldn't get married. I have no need for the control of it, nor do I feel threatened by the issue.


Well, then quit trying to think of more reasons.

Well said...My wife and I are quite happy in our union as man and wife. I care less about the sex's of those in a realationship as compared to the quality of the said realationship...nuff said ?

 

[karrie]

No, I am just annoyed that Non-Christians/Atheists jump in and make judgements, when the thread-starter, was looking for a Christian point of view. They can goto the political version of this thread if they want to debate their aspect of it.

It just ticks me.. I want a discussion of Christians, as that is what the original thread intended it to be.

That's ridiculous, if you want to keep atheists out of Christian discussion, then you have to keep religion out of all other types of threads. If it's a political thread by definition, then you can't allow your faith to play into it. I don't think life works like that. besides, christian discussion is a thread location, not a forum in and of itself. It all still gets posted into the same Canadian Content forum as every other thread.

 

[karrie]

... one only need realize that the book is a couple of thousand years old and may not be up to speed on modern societal issues.

How right you are.

People don't talk enough about the fact that, at the time the Bible was written, banning homosexual activity was actually a good idea. In days when hygeine was not what it is now, homosexuality COULD actually kill you, and seem like a condemnation from God. Writing laws against it, and a host of other practises surrounding the issue of cleanliness, helped maintain a healthier population if people abided by them. But we've stepped into an era where hygeine is no longer the issue it was then. We also no longer need to reproduce constantly in order to maintain our population. So many of these things really were written in peoples' best interest, but, what's best for humanity has shifted in those thousands of years.

 

[Alexander]

I think it shouldn't be called a "marriage" and just call it somthing else. Like a partnership or somthing. I think that would stop a lot of rants because homophobes feel weird about it being called a marriage, just like theirs.

At this point of my life, I'm against all marriage.

 

[karrie]

I think it shouldn't be called a "marriage" and just call it somthing else. Like a partnership or somthing. I think that would stop a lot of rants because homophobes feel weird about it being called a marriage, just like theirs.

and black people should be allowed to ride the bus, just not in the front like 'us'.

and first nations children should be allowed to go to school, just not 'our' schools.

need I carry on?

 

[Ariadne]

What does anyone's marriage have to do with religion? The religious thing is "holy matrimony" anyway. I think people do suggest that a marriage license is required for some religions to recognize the marriage. I think it's up to whichever religion to decide if they will marry gays or not. Why would some Catholic tell some Protestant, for instance, that they cannot marry anyone? Religion came into the issue when Christians first started think marriage was a Christian domain only. The bible is only a guideline, not a rulebook, IMO. Others don't see it that way, though.

Anyway, if gays wanna get married it is none of my business and I don't think it's anyone else's business except who does the marrying and who gets married.

Are you asking what Gay marriage has to do with holy matrimony? I can't think of an answer. Is there one?

If Gays wanna get merried, that's fine with me so long as they're not doing it to just suck out of the retirement plan ... there's enough legitimate sucklings as there is.

If Gay couples are willing to give up their economic rights (pensions plans of friends, etcetera), I'd support them in marriage. Are they willing to give up those rights ... as in marriage between gay people (e.g.: without children) will not make demands on the retirement funds because they have no children to supprt? Will the Gay people get married for love alone?

I doubt it.

 

[Alexander]

and black people should be allowed to ride the bus, just not in the front like 'us'.

and first nations children should be allowed to go to school, just not 'our' schools.

need I carry on?

Why do you think like that? The colour of ones skin, their race, does not determine that they are gay. Their ancestors have all been that race and thats how they came into the picture. Racism is nothing like being anti-gay. Doesn't common sense just say that if someone was born 'gay' they would have a gay parent somhow? People that are born colour-blind or albino have a certain gene that was passed from their parents. Perhaps a half gene in each because abnormal traits are usually recessive. So if being gay is really determined from birth then where is this geneotype? I think it's no more than a lie that people are born gay. People 'turn' gay after a long marriage, does that mean I can 'turn' Asian when I'm 30?

 

[selfactivated]

This whole issue is about politics not life values. The insurance companys dont want to cover the life insurance policies and the government doesnt want to acknowledge death beniffets.

As for being born gay? Im sorry but thats just rediculous its not a desease as many would like to think.

As for the word "marrage" get over it.......what business is it of antones if a church desides to practice marrage vows then noone else has a right to judge it. The converse is true also no church should be forsed to do ceramonies that are against their tennents.

This is 2007 folks not the dark ages. People have rights and the second you say one section doesnt you throuw us back in the dark ages. Live and let live.

 

[karrie]

Why do you think like that? The colour of ones skin, their race, does not determine that they are gay. Their ancestors have all been that race and thats how they came into the picture. Racism is nothing like being anti-gay. Doesn't common sense just say that if someone was born 'gay' they would have a gay parent somhow? People that are born colour-blind or albino have a certain gene that was passed from their parents. Perhaps a half gene in each because abnormal traits are usually recessive. So if being gay is really determined from birth then where is this geneotype? I think it's no more than a lie that people are born gay. People 'turn' gay after a long marriage, does that mean I can 'turn' Asian when I'm 30?

If you can prove to me that homosexuality is NOT genetic, then I'd agree with your argument. As it is, I've heard more scientific support that there IS a gay gene, than I've heard people arguing there isn't. I'm not presumtuous enough to say that I know for certain one way or the other.

Regardless... I stand by my point.

Society has often segregated itself, by race, by affluence, gender, age, religion, you name the ways we've done it. And current societal feeling is that there should be little to no segregation, yet, we encourage this idea that we can name gay marriage something else and pat ourselves on the back for having met their desire be as valued in society as straight people. It just doesn't work like that. It isn't giving them what they want. It's giving them a faint copy of what they want: equality. True equality.

 

[fatbasturd]

Are you asking what Gay marriage has to do with holy matrimony? I can't think of an answer. Is there one?

If Gays wanna get merried, that's fine with me so long as they're not doing it to just suck out of the retirement plan ... there's enough legitimate sucklings as there is.

If Gay couples are willing to give up their economic rights (pensions plans of friends, etcetera), I'd support them in marriage. Are they willing to give up those rights ... as in marriage between gay people (e.g.: without children) will not make demands on the retirement funds because they have no children to supprt? Will the Gay people get married for love alone?

I doubt it.

As a married couple who would be held to the same tax standards as Hetro couples...why would they not be entitled to the same benefits ?

 

[Alexander]

Fair enough, I just hate that any time I put down homosexuals people make comparisons that I'm a racist. I strongly think that people were not born gay. Were child molesters born attracted to children?

I don't really mind gay people, it's gay pride that annoys me.