Why are you against Gay marriage?

Zzarchov

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If it went up by 2 points, a half a point, 4 million points, it isn't a myth.
Concerning the height thing: http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=000F3D4F-6D25-1C72-9EB7809EC588F2D7

Actually that basically proves my arguement, before you say "its not a myth" and link an article, make sure it doesn't say the same thing as me. It really hurts your credibility in terms of reading comprehension.

You miss this bit?
"If evolution doesn't explain height increases, what does? Most geneticists believe that the improvement in childhood nutrition has been the most important factor in allowing humans to increase so dramatically in stature. "
 

Zzarchov

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Also, Canada does have rights guaranteed by the Charter, which is what I think you're getting at. However, the charter does have limits, such as you cannot break the law and be protected by something like freedom of thought, expression, etc.

Section 13 specifically of the Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits: [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Arial]the communication by means of a telecommunication undertaking (including the Internet) of messages that are likely to expose a person to hatred or contempt on the basis of:[/FONT]


  • [FONT=Verdana,Arial,Arial]race[/FONT]

  • [*][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Arial]national or ethnic origin[/FONT]


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    [*][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Arial]sex[/FONT]


    [*][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Arial]sexual orientation[/FONT]


    [*][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Arial]marital status[/FONT]


    [*][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Arial]family status[/FONT]


    [*][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Arial]disability[/FONT]


    [*][FONT=Verdana,Arial,Arial]conviction for which a pardon has been granted[/FONT]


Not this his Anti-Gay rhetoric is correct, but you should actually know the law before rhyming it off as fact.

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Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
The courts have accepted that section 15 is to be interpreted broadly, and that “analogous” grounds, i.e., personal characteristics other than those listed, may also form the basis for discrimination against a group or an individual (Andrews v. Law Society of B.C.). In 1995, the view that sexual orientation is such an “analogous” ground, and therefore a prohibited ground of discrimination under the Charter, was confirmed by the Supreme Court of Canada in the Egan decision discussed below under the heading “Same-Sex Spouses.”
Relying on the Charter as the sole vehicle for the validation of equality rights may not provide a remedy in all cases. Even if discrimination on the ground of sexual orientation is recognized as a prima facie section 15 violation, a court may uphold the law as justifiable under section 1 of the Charter. Furthermore, the Charter’s constitutional guarantees apply only to governmental action, not private acts;

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So as a private act, him railing against Homosexual is perfectly legal.
 

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This is all very much missing the root cause.

Marriage was traditionally a religious matter, the Canadian Government is ruled over the head of our church (Even the charter rights are based upon the blessing of god, read the first paragraph). We have no seperation of Church and State legally, in fact we are one in the same on the books. This always make me laugh that we treat secularization as the mosty of holy of holies to be preserved and we don't have it..while the USA which has a seperation of Church and State seems intent on becoming a theocracy.

But to the matter at hand, the best way to handle this would be to let the Government handle ONLY Civil Unions.

Get rid of all references to Marriage in our laws and replace them with the Term Civil Union. Marriage will be something people do for private reasons with no legal bearing. Ie, you walking out and saying "I am married" will have as much sway as a church wedding in a court of law (ie none), and all Civil Unions will be registered with the Government.

I know I'd prefer to be in a Civil Union than a Marriage with all the political crap the term implies. Can't two people just make each other miserable without needing the whole world to turn into a circus side show?
 

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Actually that basically proves my arguement, before you say "its not a myth" and link an article, make sure it doesn't say the same thing as me. It really hurts your credibility in terms of reading comprehension.

You miss this bit?
"If evolution doesn't explain height increases, what does? Most geneticists believe that the improvement in childhood nutrition has been the most important factor in allowing humans to increase so dramatically in stature. "
Um, that means that we aren't getting taller?
We're still the same heights we were in the Middle Ages, for instance?
 
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This is all very much missing the root cause.

Marriage was traditionally a religious matter, the Canadian Government is ruled over the head of our church (Even the charter rights are based upon the blessing of god, read the first paragraph). We have no seperation of Church and State legally, in fact we are one in the same on the books. This always make me laugh that we treat secularization as the mosty of holy of holies to be preserved and we don't have it..while the USA which has a seperation of Church and State seems intent on becoming a theocracy.
Holy matrimony was traditionally a religious matter. Marriage has been around for a lot longer than the church. The church simply claimed ownership of the term.

But to the matter at hand, the best way to handle this would be to let the Government handle ONLY Civil Unions.

Get rid of all references to Marriage in our laws and replace them with the Term Civil Union. Marriage will be something people do for private reasons with no legal bearing. Ie, you walking out and saying "I am married" will have as much sway as a church wedding in a court of law (ie none), and all Civil Unions will be registered with the Government.

I know I'd prefer to be in a Civil Union than a Marriage with all the political crap the term implies. Can't two people just make each other miserable without needing the whole world to turn into a circus side show?
Perhaps and nope. :D
 

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This is all very much missing the root cause.

Marriage was traditionally a religious matter, the Canadian Government is ruled over the head of our church (Even the charter rights are based upon the blessing of god, read the first paragraph). We have no seperation of Church and State legally, in fact we are one in the same on the books. This always make me laugh that we treat secularization as the mosty of holy of holies to be preserved and we don't have it..while the USA which has a seperation of Church and State seems intent on becoming a theocracy.

But to the matter at hand, the best way to handle this would be to let the Government handle ONLY Civil Unions.

Get rid of all references to Marriage in our laws and replace them with the Term Civil Union. Marriage will be something people do for private reasons with no legal bearing. Ie, you walking out and saying "I am married" will have as much sway as a church wedding in a court of law (ie none), and all Civil Unions will be registered with the Government.

I know I'd prefer to be in a Civil Union than a Marriage with all the political crap the term implies. Can't two people just make each other miserable without needing the whole world to turn into a circus side show?

My Sister and I talk about this alot. The States claim separation of church and State yet they judge what is acceptable life choises and whats not! HYpocrites every single one! Its not morality they want its insurances that rule congess in this matter.


The Priest has said the very same thing that PsyOp has said. I wont blame his religion for his way of thinking because you must think hard about life choises before you make them. So logic tells me the Priest believed that homosexuality was immoral far before he joined the priesthood. Which makes his statements fall in the same catagory as psyop.......Homophobic.
 

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Wow, am I ever glad I missed the majority of this thread. First of all... rawisbetter....you don't seem to participate in your own threads much beyond trying to fan the flames. I find it slightly amusing.

Secondly, the church, as far as I'm concerned, can stuff its views when it comes to this issue. This is one of the reasons I stay in the church, to be able to speak my word against attitudes like this one. Don't get me wrong... I don't think the catholic church should have to say 'fine, we accept gay marriage and will perform it', but, I think they should keep their opinions within the church and not battle the legal marriages of gay couples. People who choose to live outside the church shouldn't be governed by it, but rather by their governments, which are responsible to grant them human rights.

Alright, well, I think I've said my piece. lol.
 

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Wow, am I ever glad I missed the majority of this thread. First of all... rawisbetter....you don't seem to participate in your own threads much beyond trying to fan the flames. I find it slightly amusing.

Secondly, the church, as far as I'm concerned, can stuff its views when it comes to this issue. This is one of the reasons I stay in the church, to be able to speak my word against attitudes like this one. Don't get me wrong... I don't think the catholic church should have to say 'fine, we accept gay marriage and will perform it', but, I think they should keep their opinions within the church and not battle the legal marriages of gay couples. People who choose to live outside the church shouldn't be governed by it, but rather by their governments, which are responsible to grant them human rights.

Alright, well, I think I've said my piece. lol.


Namaste
 

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Wow, am I ever glad I missed the majority of this thread. First of all... rawisbetter....you don't seem to participate in your own threads much beyond trying to fan the flames. I find it slightly amusing.

Secondly, the church, as far as I'm concerned, can stuff its views when it comes to this issue. This is one of the reasons I stay in the church, to be able to speak my word against attitudes like this one. Don't get me wrong... I don't think the catholic church should have to say 'fine, we accept gay marriage and will perform it', but, I think they should keep their opinions within the church and not battle the legal marriages of gay couples. People who choose to live outside the church shouldn't be governed by it, but rather by their governments, which are responsible to grant them human rights.

Alright, well, I think I've said my piece. lol.

For the most part the Church does, until the pro-homosexual lobby groups begin campaigns against Church doctrines. Since Canada has legalized homosexual unions(marriage by legal definition), I've been approached dozens of time by homosexuals seeking marriage.I have to believe they do so to be contentious, for they know I cannot perform Holy Matrimony for them even if I personally agreed with them in this matter. One thing people don't realize is that priests do not have the right as "employees" of the church to exercise personal preference in these matters. We must subscribe publically and officially to support the Holy Mother Church.
 

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Wow, am I ever glad I missed the majority of this thread. First of all... rawisbetter....you don't seem to participate in your own threads much beyond trying to fan the flames. I find it slightly amusing.

Secondly, the church, as far as I'm concerned, can stuff its views when it comes to this issue. This is one of the reasons I stay in the church, to be able to speak my word against attitudes like this one. Don't get me wrong... I don't think the catholic church should have to say 'fine, we accept gay marriage and will perform it', but, I think they should keep their opinions within the church and not battle the legal marriages of gay couples. People who choose to live outside the church shouldn't be governed by it, but rather by their governments, which are responsible to grant them human rights.

Alright, well, I think I've said my piece. lol.
Yeah but just what exactly do you mean?
 

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I think you are the liar. Read the links I posted. Psychologists from Psychology Today say you are dead wrong.

Yea right keep spaming your BULL**** all over the place.

Your plane lame and the only thing you do is lying.

Even the homosexual are agree with what im saying. So SFTU.