who would you vote for?

[Reverend Blair]

I think Harper would command more respect internationally.....I can't belive Paul Martins ugly mug is the face of Canada....it is soo sad ..we deserve more clout.

If Harper went to an international meeting, nobody would see his face because he'd have perpetually buried between George Bush's ass cheeks.

Well Martin is in Argentina today. I wonder if he will meet with Chavez in private?

He will be meeting with Chavez, reportedly about problems our mining interests have been having in Venezuela. Hopefully Hugo will be able to straighten him out on what the obligations of foreign nations and their corporations are when operating in a sovereign state.

 

[LeftCoast]

RE: who would you vote fo

I'll still vote liberal at this point. I don't trust the NDP with the economy and I don't trust the CPC on anything. It's too bad the Bloc is seperatist.

 

[Senathos]

RE: who would you vote fo

As much as I hate to say it, I'm finding the Conservatives looking better then the Liberals at this point. The Liberals just have no plan, and that is why I find myself drifting away from them. A short term out of government with a CPC minority would allow the Liberals to refresh themselves and develop a good plan for the country, so I hope that happens.

Another thing that bothers me is the $50million identified by Gomery as missing cash. I just don't believe that the Liberals payed back everything they took from the adscam. I doubt that the $1.1 million is all, as that is only documented things. Of that $50million, atleast some must have been used as untraceable cash in Liberal election spending.

 

[yballa09]

If Harper went to an international meeting, nobody would see his face because he'd have perpetually buried between George Bush's ass cheeks.

Haha, although I'm leaning towards voting CPC now, I still find that comment pretty funny.

 

[no1important]

RE: who would you vote fo

I also think the NDP could pick up Vancouver Centre as well, Hedy Fry will in very tough against Svend.

So there are 4 seats in BC I can think of NDP getting, 3 from Cons (Both Grewals), 1 from libs (Van. Centre)and 1 that was Independant.(Surrey North)

I also think NDP could pick one more up on Island and maybe get Kamloops back?!!?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: who would you vote fo

I think we're likely looking at 24 or 25 seats this time around, No 1. There are a lot of possibles though, likely another 4 in Manitoba and Saskatchewan and maybe a half dozen in Ontario that could go either way, so 30 isn't out of the question. Everything west of Ontario would come out of Conservative totals.

Something I wish they would do is poll on a riding by riding basis. All of the parties do it internally to some extent, usually just in close ridings, but they rarely get published.

The polls that are published give us no idea where they polled. That can make all of the difference too.

 

[no1important]

RE: who would you vote fo

Well after the Campbell sweep in 2001 the NDP have gradually returned to their historic highs here and would not surprise me if Anderson was to lose on island as he snuck in at last minute in previous two elections. I could see the Island going all NDP. Plus do real well in Lower mainland until you hit bible belt.

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

As much as I hate to say it, I'm finding the Conservatives looking better then the Liberals at this point. The Liberals just have no plan, and that is why I find myself drifting away from them. A short term out of government with a CPC minority would allow the Liberals to refresh themselves and develop a good plan for the country, so I hope that happens.

....I have to agree with you Senathos ...... I just hate to picture the liberals in power after then next election again .... Canada would do better with a break a fresh start....and lets see where that takes us..... I mean the CPC are a young party and I think they deserve a chance ...and if Canadians do not like them then you can bet they will be voted out for the liberals again....but then who know they may surprise us.... I think it's time for some broad tax cuts...don't ya guys think....lets get this softwood thing cleared up....lets regain some clout in the International community and act like a G7 nation..... Harper seems to be a fresh face in politics and hes got my vote. :wink:

 

[no1important]

RE: who would you vote fo

Doesn't matter if 100% of people vote for Harper in Alberta as all they can gain is 2 seats top.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Harper seems to be a fresh face in politics and hes got my vote. Wink

He only seems like a fresh face if you don't know anything about Canadian politics.

lets regain some clout in the International community and act like a G7 nation

You mean we should run deficits and torture poor people for money?

lets get this softwood thing cleared up

So Harper will link energy to other trade disputes with the US?

I think it's time for some broad tax cuts

I think they should be narrow and aimed at those who need the money most.

and if Canadians do not like them then you can bet they will be voted out for the liberals again

That would require them to be voted in first. Not gonna happen.

I mean the CPC are a young party and I think they deserve a chance

The Reform/Alliance/Conservatives are not a young party and they look even older when you take into consideration that Harper has monthly meetings with Mulroney.

Canada would do better with a break a fresh start....and lets see where that takes us

So we should elect the NDP

I just hate to picture the liberals in power after then next election again

You'd best get used to the idea. You haven't got the numbers and you haven't got a single seat in Quebec.

 

[Senathos]

You mean we should run deficits and torture poor people for money?

I think it's time for some broad tax cuts

I think they should be narrow and aimed at those who need the money most.

The Reform/Alliance/Conservatives are not a young party and they look even older when you take into consideration that Harper has monthly meetings with Mulroney.

Firstly, the only two parties which have fiscal restraint are the Grits and Tories. The NDP has zero credibility on maintaing a successful economy, just look towards BC for that. And where did anyone mention the US and torturing people? You always seem to bring up Bush in hidden references, but why do you feel the need to compare yourselves to them? I would think an ideal comparison would be Hong Kong.

In regards to the tax cuts, why is it fair that people making over $100k should pay in the neighbourhood of 55% total tax? They are not better off then people making $60k, and once you break a certain point there is ZERO reward for getting any further ahead. We need a flat-tax system so people are encouraged to do better so they can get further ahead.

Finally, do you have any sources for your idea of "monthly meetings with Mulroney"? Or do you just like to throw these things out to try and bash people. I think all fellow neoliberals will agree with me when I say that it will be a cold day in hell before the NDP ever forms government. They are effectively banished to being a party which will never make a dent on Canadian politics. Don't believe me? Show me where in their CCF/NDP history they have changed the course of Canada without the help of the Liberals.

 

[zenfisher]

Hmmm.... wasn't Elijah Harper NDP.

 

[Reverend Blair]

The NDP has zero credibility on maintaing a successful economy, just look towards BC for that.

Why not look towards Manitoba and Saskatchewan? Since you are claiming that tories are fiscally responsible, shall I point out Grant Devine and Brian Mulroney?

If you take the fiscal record of every NDP government that ever got elected and compare it to the Conservatives (or So Cred in the case of Bill Vanderzalm) and Liberals of the same approximate time period, you will find out that the NDP record stands up the best.

You guys have been repeating the same old tired line for so long that you actually seem to believe it. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny though.

And where did anyone mention the US and torturing people? You always seem to bring up Bush in hidden references, but why do you feel the need to compare yourselves to them?

Are you apologising for Bush's bad habit of torturing people? Don't like it being brought up? Tough titty. There was a reference to G-7 nations, the US is in the G-7 last I looked.

In regards to the tax cuts, why is it fair that people making over $100k should pay in the neighbourhood of 55% total tax? They are not better off then people making $60k, and once you break a certain point there is ZERO reward for getting any further ahead. We need a flat-tax system so people are encouraged to do better so they can get further ahead.

Funny, I know several people in both brackets and the people making 100k have more money. That would lead me to believe that they are financially better off. Unless having more money does not make you better off financially.

Finally, do you have any sources for your idea of "monthly meetings with Mulroney"?

Yeah, Mulroney and Harper both mentioned it when they were being interviewed for the policy convention. It's come up on Newsworld a couple of times too.

Or do you just like to throw these things out to try and bash people.

Can I expect an apology for your childish attempt at bashing me, or are you too rude for that?

I think all fellow neoliberals will agree with me when I say that it will be a cold day in hell before the NDP ever forms government. They are effectively banished to being a party which will never make a dent on Canadian politics.

So the next time you go to the doctor you'll pay cash? The next time you are unempliyed you'll stand in the street and beg? When you retire you won't cash your pension cheques?

Show me where in their CCF/NDP history they have changed the course of Canada without the help of the Liberals.

Oh yeah, I forgot. You're the guy who thinks a two party system that represents only the right of the political spectrum is the way to go. Perhaps you live in the wrong country?

You seem old enough that you should be able to grasp the consept of third party politics. Perhaps the concept is too sophisticated for you.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Hmmm.... wasn't Elijah Harper NDP.

Nope.

Funny thing about Elijah...if he would have been white he would have gotten credit for shutting down Mulroney's scheme. He was native though, so they gave the credit to somebody from the east coast.

 

[no1important]

RE: who would you vote fo

Elijah Harper I remember him. He was NDP provincially. He refused to support government and brought them down in Manitoba. Howard Pawleys. I believe then Filmon got in with a one seat majority.

From Wikepedia: Elijah Harper
Harper resigned from the Manitoba legislature on November 30, 1992. He initially wanted to run for the federal New Democratic Party in the 1993 federal election, in the northern riding of Churchill, but was rebuffed by the party leadership (the riding was already represented by NDP MP Rod Murphy, who did not want to resign). After considering offers from several parties, Harper agreed to join the Liberals in early 1993.

Interesting read, click above link for rest.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: who would you vote fo

No, Elijah is the guy who refused to vote for Mulroney's Meech Lake Accord. The natives felt (rightly so) that if Quebec got to be a distinct society, then so should native people. For the accord to pass it needed unanimous consent in the Manitoba Legislature. Harper, with the backing of every native group in the country, refused to give his consent.

He was very much a one man party representing the natives of Canada at that point. Nobody in any party could change his mind.

 

[no1important]

RE: who would you vote fo

I know he is the guy who refused to vote for meech lake.

It was Jim Walding that voted against Pawleys governments budget that brought them down. My mistake. I was confused. :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: who would you vote fo

Yeah, everybody thought Pawley was bad because car insurance went up. It was still way cheaper than private insurance, but nobody thought about that. I was pissed off at Pawley for more substantial reasons, but most people never noticed those.

Anyway, everybody thought Pawley was bad until we got Filmon. Fiscal mismanagement, scandals, lies, broken promises...a typical Conservative government.

 

[zenfisher]

Hmmm.... wasn't Elijah Harper NDP.

Nope.

Funny thing about Elijah...if he would have been white he would have gotten credit for shutting down Mulroney's scheme. He was native though, so they gave the credit to somebody from the east coast.

Yup... he was NDP...I was making a point how one, provincial no less, NDP vote mattered to Canada. That was one example.

 

[Hank C Cheyenne]

In regards to the tax cuts, why is it fair that people making over $100k should pay in the neighbourhood of 55% total tax? They are not better off then people making $60k, and once you break a certain point there is ZERO reward for getting any further ahead.

...don't know if it is zero....but yes I do understand what you are trying to say....

We need a flat-tax system so people are encouraged to do better so they can get further ahead.

....I like the way you think...although I would just settle for some damn income tax cuts.... me and my wife both work and it would make you cry to see the amount we give each year in taxes...no joke

...don't worry there is not a chance in hell that the NDP will ever get in control of this country........sure there are alot of hardcore socialist people in Canada but there are alot more of us working folk that pay taxes and understand how the economy works.... the liberals might get elected again but the NDP ...NEVER

........ NDP people have no concept.....they want to end freetrade because of the underlying hatred for the US, and they tend to ignore how Canada comes out overwhelmingly ahead and has a gigantic trade surplus with the US.....they complain about "why does Ontario get all the car plants....we used to have them here"..... but they don't understand how companies work, geeez the world does not work in a socialized union, you dont just open up plants somewhere because they used to be there..... they say that we already have lower taxes...but do not understand that we have to compete directly with the US.

Firstly, the only two parties which have fiscal restraint are the Grits and Tories. The NDP has zero credibility on maintaing a successful economy

...absolutely... they might work in a insignificant province like Manitoba or Sask....but will bring disaster to the larger economies...all that these people are worried about is the labor unions...they don't understand big business..they don't understand who creates the jobs, the money, to pay the workers....and ultimately the gov't.

...the NDP well they can kiss my ass....I'd rather have the liberals (which is sad).....the Canadian economy can be soo much better....we are underperforming..if we produced per worker as much as US or Norwegian worker...we would have hundreds of billions more in our economy.....we need someone to take on these tasks...and Harper being an economist is the best suited candidate for the job.....