Where do we go from here????
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RE: Where do we go from h
The numbers very clearly say that restrictions to access to firearms and their usage leads to a decrease in gun crime.
The numbers very clearly say that restrictions to access to firearms and their usage leads to a decrease in gun crime.
peapod said:
Good observation. It seems that the american concept of rights revolves around gun and property rights. Any other right is based on these two. There may be some validity to this mentality, but since I own neither a gun nor property, I'm left out on the periphery of much domestic political debate.
And an increase in tryanny .
Read your history Hitler gun control,Mao gun control,Stalin gun control,All these people took away the peoples right to bear arms and looked at what happend to their populations With todays high tech big brother watching i"ll keep my guns :wink:RE: Where do we go from h
Even with the few murder'ers we have here America still has eight times as many murders as us. Could that be with the easy availbility to guns? mmm
Even with the few murder'ers we have here America still has eight times as many murders as us. Could that be with the easy availbility to guns? mmm
Even with gun control and America does have gun control you will notice the guns have not gone away?
The major cities are the ones with the steepest hardest gun control laws and yet most gun violence occurs there.
And no matter how you tighten the laws even more, the guns will not go away in America.
It is American culture.
But it is slowly changing since most of the country is sick of the violence.
Even Bush Sr notably quit his membership in the NRA, the Nat.Rifle.Assn.
Again what I find is that none of us really know each other. Other countries are equally guilty of ignorant stereotypes of other countries.
But that appears not to be understood on this board.
The major cities are the ones with the steepest hardest gun control laws and yet most gun violence occurs there.
And no matter how you tighten the laws even more, the guns will not go away in America.
It is American culture.
But it is slowly changing since most of the country is sick of the violence.
Even Bush Sr notably quit his membership in the NRA, the Nat.Rifle.Assn.
Again what I find is that none of us really know each other. Other countries are equally guilty of ignorant stereotypes of other countries.
But that appears not to be understood on this board.
I believe that the Americans constitutional right to bear arms should be protected at all costs..however, it says nothing in the constitution about the right to bear ammunition, and I think bullets should be made illegal to buy or sell...
Failing that, I think that in order to promote victim empathy, one of the requirements for owning a firearm, should be to subject oneself to being shot in a non-vital organ by an official of the state.
...and I believe that ones desire to purchase and carry a knife with a blade longer than six inches should be contingent upon surviving a state sanctioned stabbing.
Failing that, I think that in order to promote victim empathy, one of the requirements for owning a firearm, should be to subject oneself to being shot in a non-vital organ by an official of the state.
...and I believe that ones desire to purchase and carry a knife with a blade longer than six inches should be contingent upon surviving a state sanctioned stabbing.
Vanni Fucci said:
A little radical, but hey, everything is worth considering. As long as the government does the same. Thats what goverments want, take away the power from the people. No thanks. And I also agree that most crimes are commited in cities where carrying a gun or even owning one for that matter is very very hard.
Re: RE: Where do we go from h
Considering we have 10 times the population that seems about right (although im not familiar with that statistic)
no1important said:
Considering we have 10 times the population that seems about right (although im not familiar with that statistic)
I think not said:
Well I really just posted that in fun...but what the hell, we've all seen video of police being zapped with stun guns, and pepper-sprayed, so that they know what it's like...
I find your assertion that possession of guns gives you some sort of power over the government to be somewhat naive...if the governement truly wanted your guns, they would have them...the government wants you to think that your right to your guns are threatened so that while you're out rallying with the NRA, they can push through the House, some shitty little bill that WILL take away some freedom...what deprives you, and me, from power is that people cannot unite for a common purpose...the governement continues to divide people on controversial issues so that no unity is possible to mount a proper defense against their tyranny...
Guns are not really a part of that equation...for instance, your government pushed 2 constitution trashing Patriot acts through the House with no one even firing a shot...
No worries though, my government did the same...how? By keeping people distracted...that's where the power is denied you, because people can't unite...
...and most people suffer from PADD...Political Attention Deficit Disorder... :wink:
If only it were true, they'de kill each other and put the
world out of its misery.
At least the gunfighters will be back in business
world out of its misery.
At least the gunfighters will be back in business
Vanni Fucci said:
My feeling about the government taking away guns isn't naive, they take one thing away, they will continue to take more.
As for the Patriot Act, this act needs serious reform and despite what you may or may not think, there are checks and balances to alter invasion of civil liberties, we're not exactly sheep. Just in the beginning of this month the Security and Freedom Enhancement (SAFE) Act of 2005 under the auspices of the ACLU has been presented. Let's see what happens.
However to your main point, I have no trust in any government, domestic or foreign, and you're right, sometimes people can't unite, but on occassion they do and that's where it makes a difference. And as far as I am aware, the US has had a long history of government interference in its people (and not for any good), somehow though the end of the day belongs to the people.
Hey, some people here bring up the need for guns so as to balance power with the government. if that's the case, then it sure shows how much US citizens trust their government. Heck, we need stability in any society, and sooner or later there's going to have to be some authority one is prepared to trust, otherwise we have anarchy.
Now as a humourous aside. If any enemy nation ever wanted to destroy the US, all it would need to do is say that it's prepared to defend americans' right to bear arms, and then just start dumping weapons randomly all over the US, left, tight and centre! Immagine that, while the allies were dropping bombs on Germany in WWII, an enemy aircraft would be dropping weapons and ammunition to the American people via parashute. Then they's just need to wait a few weeks, and next thing you know, the US would be invovled in an all out civil war, with so many sides no one would know whose side any one was on, all divided according to race, religion, you name it. Once the war is over, well, then I guess we could start having world peace. How does that strategy sound?
Now as a humourous aside. If any enemy nation ever wanted to destroy the US, all it would need to do is say that it's prepared to defend americans' right to bear arms, and then just start dumping weapons randomly all over the US, left, tight and centre! Immagine that, while the allies were dropping bombs on Germany in WWII, an enemy aircraft would be dropping weapons and ammunition to the American people via parashute. Then they's just need to wait a few weeks, and next thing you know, the US would be invovled in an all out civil war, with so many sides no one would know whose side any one was on, all divided according to race, religion, you name it. Once the war is over, well, then I guess we could start having world peace. How does that strategy sound?
Vanni Fucci said:
I think I made my point clear Vanni, but if it gets you through the day to rant about everything south of you, please by all means do so.
Machjo said:
If you're naive enough to trust yours, then no comment.
Machjo said:
Very mature, read any good books lately?