What's the point of several threads posted

[the caracal kid]

".My goal is to try and for that I must deal with people like you who want to only associate with the negative of things."

my apologies for giving that impression.

It is not that I "only want to associate with the negative of things", but that I want a balanced perspective. (only in seeing the worst potential in ourselves can we be true to ourselves)

The following is by Osho,
I am one with all things
- in beauty, in ugliness, for whatsoever is
- there I am.
Not only in virtue but in sin too I am a partner,
and not only heaven but hell too is mine.
Buddha, Jesus, Lao Tzu - it is easy to be their heir,
but Ghengis, Taimur, and Hitler?
They are also within me!
No, not half - I am the whole of mankind!
Whatsoever is man's is mine
- flowers and thorns, darkness as well as light,
and if nectar is mine, whose is poison?
Nectar and poison - both are mine.

 

[ottawabill]

well duh!!!

Thats the whole premise of Christianity!!!

We are prone to terrible things and must catch ourselves..evaluate, ask for forgiveness and try to make up for our wrongs....

We are not to judge..God does that, but we are to stand up for what we believe. We are to love everyone, hate no one, and treat all (rich or streetperson) with the same care and kindness that we would toward Jesus. And let me tell you in this world of "I want more" , "we are the best" and I deserve everything..it's pretty hard to try and live that way. I'm sure there are many Mulims who would say the same about being Islamic in western society.

I may go to a church to here the word and pray with others, but I am not here to defend Church organizations, their politics or who they have sent nations to war...That is a misguided point. Religon is about a relationship with a higher being and to try and live in a moral and helping way...outside of that , to me , it all becaome politics of the human frail mind.

All I have tried to say on many of these threads is that you can throw all the labels you want..they don't stick..my relationship is personal and goes no further then that

 

[the caracal kid]

ottawabill,

There is a great commonality behind all of the revealed religions (and even more through the esoteric).

While it is all peaceful the defanged version of christianity you practice (much as the defanged versions of the other two abrahamics are peaceful), we must not forget what the whole picture of the organized(for emphasis) christianity. I would call your "personal journey" a spirituality, not a religion. Your spirituality may be about "a higher being", but not all are.

Religion (organized agian, for clarity) is about social structure. It creates and maintains the long-lasting norms of a society. Some religions are rather benevolent, some are not. Christianity, like its two brothers, are primarily about control and dominance (a patriarchal power structure tracable to the rise of Marduk in Babylon). Historically, the Abrahamic stories borrowed a fair bit from earlier cultures/myths which partially explains why one large group of religions/cultures share so many comonalitys. One of the things that was more unique about Christianity (and makes it less abrahamic than its brothers) is its adoption of pagan religious practices to aid in converting the populace at the time, rendering Christianity essentially a pagan religion (and in the process violating several key abrahamic laws which were glossed over with clever editing by the councils).

 

[CDNBear]

Christians and Muslims act the same. War on Islamic Terrorism please. Christians are just as capable of such horrible actions as Muslims, and over the same freaking god (Abrahamic).

If we fought a true war on terrorism Christianity and Islam would be canceled out.

You know Researcher, at one point you said you were going to remain objective. I replied and said good for you, journalism, needs some objectivity.

You will fit in nicely at the CBC.

 

[Hotshot]

I don't accuse Muslims of being extremist! I accuse extremist of being extremists!!

Maybe God did talk to Bush..who knows..maybe Bush's grasp at English made him hear it wrong..maybe God to him to go get a snack..not go invade IRAQ??

Well I don't see Christians walking around with bombs attached to themselves looking for a place to blow themselves up....

 

[Researcher87]

You know Researcher, at one point you said you were going to remain objective. I replied and said good for you, journalism, needs some objectivity.

You will fit in nicely at the CBC.

Nah, I don't like journalism.

 

[CDNBear]

Nah, I don't like journalism.

Apparently you don't like objectivity either.

 

[EastSideScotian]

Well I don't see Christians walking around with bombs attached to themselves looking for a place to blow themselves up....

Indeed we seem to have more respect for the life God has given us to live, than what some brainwashed Muslims are lead to beleaive by extreamist zelots. It is wrong for a Muslim to kill him or her self, it says so in the Quran, so one tends to wonder how well they really know their religion.

 

[the caracal kid]

Indeed we seem to have more respect for the life God has given us to live, than what some brainwashed Muslims are lead to beleaive by extreamist zelots. It is wrong for a Muslim to kill him or her self, it says so in the Quran, so one tends to wonder how well they really know their religion.

probably about as well as many christians know christianity.

 

[EastSideScotian]

probably about as well as many christians know christianity.

Cant dissagree with that, but atleast the ones that dont arent being told to blow themselves up.

 

[gopher]

Researcher: Why don't you keep all your christianity-hate to one thread?

Why wasn't the same question directed to all those Islamophobes -- why not keep all their hatred in ONE thread?

Furthermore, Researcher did not admit to being of the Cathophobe "elk". Now, that's real hatred.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Why wasn't the same question directed to all those Islamophobes -- why not keep all their hatred in ONE thread?

Furthermore, Researcher did not admit to being of the Cathophobe "elk". Now, that's real hatred.

Care to guess Gopher?

How many anti-islam threads do you see active right now Gopher? It seems to me that you, researcher and earth are the prime facsicts here. Can the three of you go a day without posting inflamatory threads about the christians iin north america? I doubt it. The three of you have a self hate complex second to none.

 

[ottawabill]

Care to guess Gopher?

How many anti-islam threads do you see active right now Gopher? It seems to me that you, researcher and earth are the prime facsicts here. Can the three of you go a day without posting inflamatory threads about the christians iin north america? I doubt it. The three of you have a self hate complex second to none.

Don't hate them, for they know not what they do!!

I dare anyone to find a power hunger, take control...kill thy neighbor text in the New testament.... Christianity is about following the teachings of Jesus Christ..a man (God) who healed, never fought, a spoke over the grabbled human twist of the faith.

That is what the faith is about..anyone who doesn't follow it is or try, is not really a Christian now are they??

 

[EastSideScotian]

Don't hate them, for they know not what they do!!

I dare anyone to find a power hunger, take control...kill thy neighbor text in the New testament.... Christianity is about following the teachings of Jesus Christ..a man (God) who healed, never fought, a spoke over the grabbled human twist of the faith.

That is what the faith is about..anyone who doesn't follow it is or try, is not really a Christian now are they??

Id like to field this awnser.

NOPE.

But None of us are Perfect, so we can only try anyway.

 

[ottawabill]

It's waht being a Christian is all about..know matter what any secular scholar tells you..any extremist group calls you..or even power hungery evangelists...it's a very basic faith....Do good!! when you don't ask for forgiveness, learn from it and try to do better. and oh yeah..actually believe!!

 

[The Project Man]

I don't accuse Muslims of being extremist! I accuse extremist of being extremists!!

Maybe God did talk to Bush..who knows..maybe Bush's grasp at English made him hear it wrong..maybe God to him to go get a snack..not go invade IRAQ??

LMMFAO! that's all for now

 

[humanbeing]

Christians and Muslims act the same. War on Islamic Terrorism please. Christians are just as capable of such horrible actions as Muslims, and over the same freaking god (Abrahamic).

Agreed. They are indeed just as capable of such horrible acts as Muslims, just as other folks are. Everything that has happened falls well within the limits of human nature. Whether it is some violent jihad or violent campaign of Christendom, or a peaceful fundraiser for the local church or mosque, it is all something people are capable of doing. Reality is both can be twisted to "justify" horrible things in peoples' minds.

 

[humanbeing]

By the way, I notice researcher87 got banned. How come?

Not simply for the first post in this thread, I'd hope. Was it something else I may have overlooked?

 

[earth_as_one]

Well I don't see Christians walking around with bombs attached to themselves looking for a place to blow themselves up....

Care to guess Gopher?

How many anti-islam threads do you see active right now Gopher? It seems to me that you, researcher and earth are the prime facsicts here. Can the three of you go a day without posting inflamatory threads about the christians iin north america? I doubt it. The three of you have a self hate complex second to none.

Islamaphobic statements like hotshot's should not go unchallenged. I am neither Muslim nor Christian, but I know enough about both religions to see they really aren't that different.

Religion isn't the cause of suicide attacks. Organizations which resort to suicide attacks would likely prefer to use the same weaponry as their adversaries, but all they have is highly motivated people and high explosives.

Many examples exist of non-Muslims resorting to suicide attacks. When Japan faced defeat at the end of WW II, they resorted to kamikaze attacks. Tamil Tigers used suicide attacks since the 1970s. Neither of these groups are predominately Muslim.

Suicide attacks are a product of asymtrical warefare, not religion. As organizations which currently resort to suicide attacks get their hands on better weaponry, they will stop using suicide attacks.

So what if one propaganda system labels people who commit suicide attacks as terrorists? Another propaganda system labels the same people as martyrs. You are still brainwashed no matter which propaganda system you believe.

When you eliminate the propaganda, it basically comes down to some people kill while standing in a crowd while others kill from an aircraft cockpit. If the dead are innocent, then its a crime. If the dead are legitimate adversaries, then its an act of war. How people are killed is beside the point.