what religion do you think the Devil started
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They are all valid questions. Religion is a manifestation of human insecurity. The devil is just a product of religion.
If I were president of the United States and had an army of say 40,000 men and women, how would I know how good they would be while in the peace time mode?
Well, I would think that I should somehow put them to the test. How would I do it?
I'd say, I would probably designate10,000 of them as the enemy and have some war games.
The remaining thirty thousand of them would probably call the enemy devils?
"Yeah, let's kill all them devils".
Well, the enemy really is an agent acting in behalf of the president for the good of the whole army.
The fruits of that experience would be an education on how to perform in the heat of the battle and come out hopefully, victorious.
The world is the agent (Devil) by which the flesh is educated by, it is the testing grounds, the battle field.
The souls of all it's participants are all covered as if it were but war games.
The reality of course is, that through sufferings, one learns to lean on the creator for help in fighting the battle.
We didn't ask to be here, but since we are here, we have an avenue by which we can escape the snares of the devil. (World)
There is absolutely no other explanation that offers any hope for it's participants except God is with us.
So, the devil made me do it, is nothing but the lure of the lusts of this world.
A good understanding of the word of God, the bible will reveal the power of this world is powerless to them who believe in God.
Thus it can be said, Satan, get thee behind me, for it has no power over Him that is in me. (Jesus)
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Well, I would think that I should somehow put them to the test. How would I do it?
I'd say, I would probably designate10,000 of them as the enemy and have some war games.
The remaining thirty thousand of them would probably call the enemy devils?
"Yeah, let's kill all them devils".
Well, the enemy really is an agent acting in behalf of the president for the good of the whole army.
The fruits of that experience would be an education on how to perform in the heat of the battle and come out hopefully, victorious.
The world is the agent (Devil) by which the flesh is educated by, it is the testing grounds, the battle field.
The souls of all it's participants are all covered as if it were but war games.
The reality of course is, that through sufferings, one learns to lean on the creator for help in fighting the battle.
We didn't ask to be here, but since we are here, we have an avenue by which we can escape the snares of the devil. (World)
There is absolutely no other explanation that offers any hope for it's participants except God is with us.
So, the devil made me do it, is nothing but the lure of the lusts of this world.
A good understanding of the word of God, the bible will reveal the power of this world is powerless to them who believe in God.
Thus it can be said, Satan, get thee behind me, for it has no power over Him that is in me. (Jesus)
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
God, devil, heaven, hell, pergatory. All figments of imagination, so, whatever we want to make up
about the devil, I guess, makes him whatever he becomes.
So, for me to play this devil game, I think he would jump into any religion he wants to, whenever he
decides, and harrass them, till they can't take it, then he would jump to another one, seems like
fun.
about the devil, I guess, makes him whatever he becomes.
So, for me to play this devil game, I think he would jump into any religion he wants to, whenever he
decides, and harrass them, till they can't take it, then he would jump to another one, seems like
fun.
The devil only exists in Judism and by extention Christianity does it not? Therefore it would be those religions.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam would eb the devils religons cause they always fighting i dont know about pagans though they dont believe in the devil but i never met one so i cant verify that
Hmm.
While I have to agree at face value that pagans don't believe in 'a devil', they still believe in dark and light energies and powers to the best of my knowledge. Embracing a concept that many others call evil, devil, what have you, and giving it a place in your lore as a natural and necessary thing, doesn't mean it isn't there. Come ot think of it, I don't know of ANY religion that doesn't discuss the balance between dark and light, positive and negative, good and evil, in some way shape or form. Wording is a trivial matter. It all boils down to discussing the same human issues.
While I have to agree at face value that pagans don't believe in 'a devil', they still believe in dark and light energies and powers to the best of my knowledge. Embracing a concept that many others call evil, devil, what have you, and giving it a place in your lore as a natural and necessary thing, doesn't mean it isn't there. Come ot think of it, I don't know of ANY religion that doesn't discuss the balance between dark and light, positive and negative, good and evil, in some way shape or form. Wording is a trivial matter. It all boils down to discussing the same human issues.
"It's a valid question"....what tripe!
If the question is what elements of evil or wrong-headedness or ulterior movtive as might be symbolized through the idea of .."The Devil", That would be a question of some interest...
Show me the Devil.
Show me God.
If you'd rather make lame excuses for what certainly appears to be a proclivity to destruction and inhumanity among human beings...then I suppose you can imagine or pretend that some simultaneously external and intenal agency is a work in compelling human beings to these various kinds of behavior....hogwash.
Excuses piled on excuses....
If the question is what elements of evil or wrong-headedness or ulterior movtive as might be symbolized through the idea of .."The Devil", That would be a question of some interest...
Show me the Devil.
Show me God.
If you'd rather make lame excuses for what certainly appears to be a proclivity to destruction and inhumanity among human beings...then I suppose you can imagine or pretend that some simultaneously external and intenal agency is a work in compelling human beings to these various kinds of behavior....hogwash.
Excuses piled on excuses....
I actually don't believe in the Devil, yet asked the question.
Sorry for upsetting you but thanks for the contribution, which is all this member wanted to see in the first place.
Here have some left over out of date valium that i found in a toilet covered in pubic hair.....
Certainly Wiccans believe in dark energy, evil, etc. But it is not personified. There is no physical representation of a "devil", at least in my belief system. Im pretty sure the one Doc means is an embodiment...an actual hell ruler if you will. It might seem minor, but there is certainly a difference between a devil and the devil.
I guess what it boils down to is, I believe 'the devil' (call it what you will depending on your religion.. darkness, negativity, evil), is what started every religion under the sun. If there was no 'devil', then we wouldn't need to create a religion in an attempt to nurture light/good/positivity.
I think i'm wiccan....run fer your lives....dave's got a new religion....
I don't believe it's personified either . I do not believe in physical representations of the devil other than these damn bone spurs growing on my wife's body causeing her inasne amounts of pain and operations.....leans on Robin's shoulder..waits for hug.....
And yes I'm trying to see what religion the biblical Devil created.
See how being so many different people in one head allows for great forum thread starters
In my religion we have several "dark" Gods, but their function is not that of the Christian devil. A dark or negative power is not a "bad" power. Dark Gods are not after human souls, to ruin them and to cast them to hell. It is just dark and light, negative and positive, chaos and order, life and death. One cannot exist without the other. It is the great duality that keeps the world in balance.
It my understanding, based on the whole of the bible that this world is a testing ground for the harvesting of souls as fruits of God's planting.
So the devil is really the opposition to all that God is.1Ki 5:4 But now the LORD my God hath given me rest on every side, so that there is neither adversary nor evil occurrent.
What that is saying is that God held back all adversaries and the potential of people doing evil for King Solomon.
Which only means that God is in control of the adversary (His agent, the devil) and also to keep the people from doing evil.
So, regardless of what the adversary is called by any belief system, the fact remains that in this world it only exists.
Peace>>>AJ:love9: