What Makes Suicide Bombers Tick?

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What Makes Suicide Bombers Tick? By Stan Crock
Wed Jul 6, 8:28 AM ET


Two decades ago, comedian/actress Lily Tomlin starred in a brilliant one-woman show called The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe. In one skit, she portrayed Trudy, a crazy but incisive bag lady who gripes that her "space chums" couldn't distinguish between a can of Campbell's soup and a picture of Andy Warhol's painting of a can of Campbell's soup. When she shuffled the items behind her back, her alien friends became hopelessly confused about which was real.

That came to mind when I compared President Bush's June 28 speech on Iraq with a presentation two days later by Professor Robert Pape of the University of Chicago. Pape is the author of a new book, Dying to Win, which provides the first data-based analysis of suicide bombers, and he reaches conclusions that are stunningly different from the President's. But no one could be confused about what's real and what isn't.

Consider, for example, this passage, from Bush's speech: "Many terrorists who kill innocent men, women, and children on the streets of Baghdad are followers of the same murderous ideology that took the lives of our citizens in New York, in Washington, and Pennsylvania. There is only one course of action against them: to defeat them abroad before they attack us at home." The President also declared, "Their aim is to remake the Middle East in their own grim image of tyranny and oppression -- by toppling governments, by driving us out of the region, and by exporting terror."

PREVAILING MISCONCEPTIONS. The implications: There's a connection between September 11 and the war in Iraq, radical Islamic fundamentalists are behind all of the suicide bombings in Iraq, and they're spurring insurgencies throughout the Islamic Crescent. Yet government studies of intelligence failures and Pape's analysis indicate there's no evidence that any of this is true.

About the only point Pape agrees with is that the bombers want to drive the U.S. out of the region. But he argues that American policies to combat the terrorists are wrong-headed. "The presumed connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism is misleading and may be encouraging domestic and foreign policies likely to worsen America's situation and to harm many Muslims needlessly," he writes. Here's a summary of his analysis, which is based on the 315 suicide terrorist attacks from 1980 to 2003:

Sri Lanka's Tamil Tigers, a Marxist-Leninist Hindu group opposed to religion, committed the largest number of suicide attacks, 76. The Kurdish PKK, which used the tactic 14 times, is headed by a secular Marxist-Leninist, Abdulah Ocalan. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, another Marxist-Leninist group, and the al-Aqsa Brigade, which has ties to the socialist Fatah movement, account for a third of the attacks against Israel. Communist and socialist groups account for 75% of the attacks in Lebanon. Islamic fundamentalists, he concludes, were associated with about only half of the attacks from 1980 to 2003. And such fundamentalist Islamic countries as Iran and Sudan aren't producing any suicide bombers.

CLEARING THE PENINSULA. Pape argues that the common denominator among the bombers in 95% of the cases is that they're nationalist insurgents with a secular, strategic goal: ousting the military forces of democratic countries from land the insurgents believe is theirs. The suicide terrorists, who account for about 5% of all terrorist incidents but about 75% of all fatalities, believe their land and way of life are threatened. The religions of the occupier and the insurgents invariably are different, Pape notes, but he contends that difference is merely a useful recruiting tool and isn't at the root of the animosity.

Al Qaeda fits this pattern. Osama bin Laden's opposition to the House of Saud stemmed from its decision to allow U.S. troops on Saudi soil. Bin Laden's goal is not simply to kick the U.S. out of Saudi Arabia, a country that's a Western construct, but rather from the Arabian Peninsula, which arguably stretches as far north as Iraq and includes Kuwait, Bahrain, and other countries in the region where the U.S. has troops.

Almost every suicide attack is aimed at a democracy, from the Tamil Tigers targeting Sri Lanka to Kashmir strikes against India. That's because the insurgents view democracies as vulnerable to this pressure, as President Bush noted. Indeed, the watershed event that sparked copycat attacks was the suicide bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, which prompted President Reagan to bring U.S. troops home. Indeed, governments have made concessions in 7 of 13 completed campaigns (5 are ongoing). Not bad odds. And growing American disenchantment with the military operation in Iraq proves the point yet again.

FEEDING THE ENEMY. The mere presence of foreign troops is the instigation for the attacks, so lengthy stays to secure democracy actually make attacks more probable and help boost recruitment. Substituting Iraqi security forces for U.S. troops is the only thing that will likely make a difference. Pape notes that arrests of al Qaeda and other insurgent leaders are rising, but the metric that counts is the number of attacks, and they're rising, too. That suggests al Qaeda is growing stronger, not weaker.

Equally troubling is that even as the total number of terrorist attacks globally is declining, the number of suicide attacks is rising. The first five months of this year saw as many suicide attacks as all of last year.

Yet there are some encouraging signs. Pape points to the sharp decline in attacks in Israel when it left southern Lebanon, as it prepares to leave Gaza, and as it builds a protective fence. The insurgents need public support to survive, and if the goal of getting the enemy out is achieved, support for such tactics evaporates.

STRATEGIC PLANNING. Interestingly, Pape doesn't believe Uncle Sam should high-tail it out of Baghdad right away. He thinks the U.S. needs to turn the security responsibility over to the Iraqis as quickly as possible but says doing it immediately isn't feasible.

And Pape isn't an isolationist. He suggests that long-term, America should revert to the strategy of the 1970s and 1980s, when the U.S. had forces in the Middle East on ships, ready to jump when needed but not poisoning the atmosphere with a presence on land.

I find Pape's argument wholly convincing. He's the first to collect these data, so it's no surprise that Washington was operating on the blithe assumption that the suicide terrorists were all poor, young Islamic radicals. In fact, 42% have post-secondary educations, and they're part of concerted campaigns with coherent goals.

FACT AND FANCY. The Kurds, for example, didn't use suicide tactics against Iraq but did use them against Turkey. Fanatics would have attacked both, but rational strategists recognized that the chance of success was better in a democracy than in an autocratic state. What's more, Fatah, a socialist group, used the tactic before Hamas, a more religious-oriented organization, was even created, Pape says.

The goals and tactics of these groups are anathema to a democratic people, but we can't combat them if we don't understand them. Pape has briefed key lawmakers, and the executive branch is funding his continued work because it doesn't have the information he has. Let's hope that in the future, the Bush team can tell the difference between what's real and what's not.

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Jay

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What makes them tick? Those bombs they have under their clothes...that’s what the ticking is all about.

How fitting this is posted today...
 

moghrabi

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This article was posted yesterday. If I had known about today horrific attack, I wouldn't have posted it.
 

Jay

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I'm not suggesting it shouldn't be posted...
 

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What makes them tick?

Do a google search on al-Daawa --- the group that invented suicide bombings. It is headed by Jafiri (also spelled al-Jafaari) who is now president of Iraq and put into office by Bush.
 

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Terror is Created by Arrogance and Ignorance
Ibrahim Ebeid, Al-Moharer


July 13, 2005

Terrorism against the Arab nation started early last century when the allies decided to conquer the Arab World and rip it apart in order to usurp Palestine and grant it to foreigners. Massacres were committed against the Palestinians and almost the entire population of Palestine was expelled and all of Palestine fell under the occupation of the most vicious racist settler movement in the World, the Zionist movement.

The war of terror did not stop against the Palestinians but became a common practice against them, explicitly or implicitly, encouraged by various US and British Administrations.

The terror did not stop in Palestine; it went beyond that into Iraq and led to the occupation of that land. The occupation of Iraq is synonymous to that of Palestine. Both were done by the Western imperialism and with its offshoot the Zionist movement.

Since then, the Zionists and the Imperialists are inflicting horror on the Palestinians and Iraqis. Thousands of people died in Palestine and in Iraq. Wealth was stolen. Institutions and establishments became a thing of the past and the economy that once flourished was ruined.

The war on Iraq is terrorizing the entire nation and the daily bombardment of the Iraqi cities by the British and US forces is killing innocent people indiscriminately.

Yes, terrorism against humanity should not take place and should be condemned.

Killing of innocent Iraqis and Palestinians by the Zionists or Imperialists should be condemned also and the perpetrators should be brought to justice.

Yes, terrorism is horrifying. Imagine yourself an Iraqi or a Palestinian whose country is under occupation and imagine that you are living in fear of being shot at and killed by Zionist, British or US soldiers.

Iraq under its legal government never suffered from terrorism until Bush and Blair occupied it and changed its legitimate government and replaced it by a sectarian illegitimate one and created horror, fear and chaos. Occupation is terror and should come to an end.

Do you remember the smart bombs that killed more than 700 people in the Shelter of Ameriyah in Baghdad in 1991 ? Do you remember the wedding in Al Qa'im in Iraq? Do you remember the genocidal blockade? And the list goes on and on equally in Iraq and in Palestine.

Not to forget the 'shock and awe' bombs, the carpet-bombing and the depleted uranium that polluted the environment of Iraq and the neighboring countries.

No one can condone the killing of innocent people whether in London, Palestine or in Iraq. The killing of innocents is a crime against humanity and it should be condemned as well.

Due to the irrational act of President Bush and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom the World is suffering and became unsafe. The people in the US are living in constant fear from the constant lies about the justification of the war on Iraq by the President and his entourage. As a result, liberty became confined and limited in the "Land of the Free" and each individual is being watched. We are not free nor are we safe anymore.

The war on "Terror" is in deed a war of terror that is terrorizing the Iraqis and all the innocent citizens of the countries who are occupying Iraq and unwisely supporting the "Israeli" atrocities in Palestine.

The Americans and Britons should ask themselves seriously and solemnly who is behind it all? Why terrorism is spreading and who created it?

As an American from Palestinian background, as a victim of Zionist terror who was expelled from his birthplace in 1948 , as a US veteran from the Vietnam era who lost friends in the illegitimate Vietnam War, I call upon my fellow Americans to stand firmly against the Blair Bush War. Let us bring our troops home and put a stop to the bloodshed at once.

Let us look at the World around us with love, compassion, tolerance and understanding. Let us live and let the others live in peace and tranquility.
 

jimmoyer

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The article in the previous post, "Terrorism is created by Arrogance and Ignorance" is fundamentally psychologically illiterate for the following reasons:

1. Why do you never see a terrorist over 40 or 50 ?
2. Why are there few suicide bombers over 30 years old?
3. Why are most in their 20s or yet even younger?

4. Why do most people on this board who subscribe to the idea that America created all of this do not also become suicide bombers ?

5. Why are there 8.5 million Iraqi voters who have all of the same reasons you all on this board have, decide not to be terrorists ?

6. Why do the preachers of hate not don a suicide vest?
 

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RE: What Makes Suicide Bo

I think since they are "brainwashed"(whether its justified or not thats another topic) to hate America, the west since they are born.

They grow up with religious extremists preaching their anti- west, anti- america tirade their whole lives, the so called leaders- religious and otherwise blame the west (america mainly) for all their ills, and since they do not know other wise they believe it(when your told something long enough especially from a young age, one tends to believe what they are being told), the Koran gets twisted and people eventually believe its "Allah's" will, so when it comes time to blow themselves up they eagerly volounteer and their families are compensated financially for their "loss".

It sounds crazy but it is the mentality in certain parts, not to mention religion and religious leaders are very skilled at brainwashing followers.
 

no1important

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RE: What Makes Suicide Bo

I never said I believed it was justifiable to brainwash someone. I was just pointing out the reality of it. Its a way of life for some people over there.

I agree you are not important especially because you are from canada.

:roll:

P.S. This site is just as bad as your STATE RUN media. Anyone opposing view points get banned.

P.S.S. Proud to canadian? hahahaha what a joke!!!

:roll:
 

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The article in the previous post, "Terrorism is created by Arrogance and Ignorance" is fundamentally psychologically illiterate for the following reasons:

1. Why do you never see a terrorist over 40 or 50 ?

Could be that they blew themselves up already.

2. Why are there few suicide bombers over 30 years old?

For the same reason there so few Ted Nugent fans over 30...people tend to learn as they grow older.

3. Why are most in their 20s or yet even younger?

It's possible that their parents made them listen to country music and they felt that was a fate worse than death itself.

4. Why do most people on this board who subscribe to the idea that America created all of this do not also become suicide bombers ?

Is it true that you only hate us for our freedoms, Jim?


5. Why are there 8.5 million Iraqi voters who have all of the same reasons you all on this board have, decide not to be terrorists ?

Huh?

6. Why do the preachers of hate not don a suicide vest?

You'll have to ask George Bush about that. Let him know that we can fit him for a vest in a few hours.
 

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Maybe we should have included in all our new terrorists laws is the complete responsibility of a suicide bomber's attack shall be born by his family. Maybe, just maybe, when their families are not rewarded or glorified they just might think twice about it.
 

jimmoyer

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Man, Reverend Blair, you are the king of Syllogism.

If no terrorists ever are 40 or 50 years old, therefore no terrorist lives long enough so therefore why ask if there are any terrorists 40 or 50 years old?

You, Sir Reverend are THE KING.

There's beauty in that "Electric Slide" of an argument.
 

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Listen guys, this is just an opinion, so don't even think about ganging up on me, I can take you all on :? :? :?
I think its getting a bit over the top on the bush bashing, I think it was mentioned before about the hitler comparsion, even if you think its true, it really offends certain people, so is it really necessary??
Like I have said before I am anti bush, blah blah blah. I am just saying maybe tone it down just a little :? Now you don't have to listen to me, no one ever does :? :? but I dunno 8O 8O its starting to sound like neo cons around here :? :? nasty :? :?
 

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Man, Reverend Blair, you are the king of Syllogism.

If no terrorists ever are 40 or 50 years old, therefore no terrorist lives long enough so therefore why ask if there are any terrorists 40 or 50 years old?

You, Sir Reverend are THE KING.

There's beauty in that "Electric Slide" of an argument.

Ah, it's nice to be the king of something.

Ted Nugent is over 40 though, and he seems like a terrorist to me, Jimmy. Osama seems to be over 40. I won't mention the terrorist running your country because Peapod has asked that we not bash him so much. I'll skip his co-conspirators for the time being too.

You asked a ridiculous question. How many American soldiers over 40 have been killed in Iraq? Cannon Fodder is a position of youth, Jimmy.