What Liberals do not want us to see.

[ironsides]

I am trying not to comment on Bush now, he is gone. The ball now belongs to President Obama. But yes except for the bubble burst near the end of his administration there was higher employment and more jobs under Bush. I am not blaming any party or individual for what happened to the economy, they all had apart in it.

 

[Icarus27k]

And there's apparently nothing wrong with the second and third examples you brought up. In fact, the third thing (about the 95% of Americans receiving tax cuts) is what I was talking about with the list of 25 individual cuts in the stimulus package.

It seems reasonable that those are indeed tax cuts, despite the semantics game Obama critics want to get into over the definition of "tax cut".

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Obama and Pelosi have set us up for major tax increases as well as major cuts in health services. All these begin next year right after the elections. So you are another Bushy hater, big deal is that all you have.

Obama has reduced taxes as part of the stimulus package. It is simply Republican, Tea Party propaganda that he has increased taxes (or will increase taxes).

Mind you, if Ihe had any guts, he will increase taxes and work towards reducing the huge budget deficit.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Nah. Just put me in the Socialist column. He only qualified for #4 in the Fascist definition.

But then I thought all the Democrats are Socialists (and some are Communists)? so what else is new.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I believe what you are talking about is the expiration of the so-called Bush tax cuts which became law in 2001 and 2003. Expiration at the end of 2010 was how a Republican-led Congress and a Republican president set them up. What you're really criticizing is Pelosi's/Reid's/Obama's decision not to extend them.

Apart from that, there have been some tax increases since Election Day 2008, but there have also been tax cuts.

Examples of tax increases: increased sin taxes on tabacco and indoor tanning salons to help fund, respectively, the expansion of the SCHIP program and the health care reform bill. Also, the excise tax (or so-called Cadalliac tax) or employers' expensive health insurance plans for their employees.

Examples of tax cuts: That list of 25 tax credits in the stimulus package.

Bush tax cuts were responsible for the astronomical, 550 billon plus deficit that Republicans had year after year. If the tax cuts are expiring on their own, my advice is leave well enough alone and let them expire.

The tax cuts were evil; they started USA down the course of ruination and destruction. If the evil dies the unlamented death on its own, so much the better.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I am trying not to comment on Bush now, he is gone. The ball now belongs to President Obama. But yes except for the bubble burst near the end of his administration there was higher employment and more jobs under Bush. I am not blaming any party or individual for what happened to the economy, they all had apart in it.

Bubble does not start or form in a vacuum; it slowly builds up over the years. The bubble was the result of mismanagement and poor economic policies of the eight years of Bush administration, combined with lack of any regulation or oversight of Wall Street.

You make it sound as if Bush was doing a great job of managing the economy, then the bubble appeared out of nowhere (as an act of God, perhaps?) and ruined the US economy (at least you are not blaming Obama, Clinton, Carter and FDR for the bubble, like most Republicans do). Nothing of the sort, the bubble was the result of Bush policies.

 

[Avro]

Were not talking about Canadian liberals at the moment, plus you guys have to many parties.

We have more of a choice, the US could use a viable third party.

 

[Avro]

I am trying not to comment on Bush now, he is gone. The ball now belongs to President Obama. But yes except for the bubble burst near the end of his administration there was higher employment and more jobs under Bush. I am not blaming any party or individual for what happened to the economy, they all had apart in it.

How many surpluses did Bush preside over?

How much did the debt increase under Bush?

The economic crisis Obama faces happened during the Bush admin, definitely not Obama's fault.

Still like you to tell me if taxes have gone up during the Obama admin....well...have they?

 

[Icarus27k]

Finally, on the topic of the Volcker value-added tax, the Obama administration says that the opinion is Volcker's personal opinion and not an official policy position, as can be seen at the following link which purports to fact check US Rep. Michele Bachmann's claim that Obama is proposing a value-added tax.

Sunday Slips | FactCheck.org

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Finally, on the topic of the Volcker value-added tax, the Obama administration says that the opinion is Volcker's personal opinion and not an official policy position, as can be seen at the following link which purports to fact check US Rep. Michele Bachmann's claim that Obama is proposing a value-added tax.

Sunday Slips | FactCheck.org

I think Value Added Tax will be a very good idea. But the political opinion in USA is against it, I don't see it happening.

Indeed, if USA does not do anything about the deficit in the next few years, USA will go the way of Greece. I see many similarities. USA has a huge deficit, and neither party is willing to do anything about it.

 

[ironsides]

What taxes are left to cut, everything is pretty much at an all time low. Somebody has to start raising taxes a little at a time so we can start making money from money again. Make it worth while to save in a bank again.

 

[ironsides]

I think Value Added Tax will be a very good idea. But the political opinion in USA is against it, I don't see it happening.

Indeed, if USA does not do anything about the deficit in the next few years, USA will go the way of Greece. I see many similarities. USA has a huge deficit, and neither party is willing to do anything about it.

This will happen in most of Europe before it happens here,
Today in Greece
YouTube - GeraldCelenteChannel's Channel

Greece, Paraguay, Spain will draw France and Germany down with them, This will not happen in the U.S.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

What doctrinaire liberals don't want us to see is the same stuff doctrinaire conservatives don't want us to see: anything that conflicts with their position. Censorship is great as long as they get to decide what to suppress. The key word there is doctrinaire. If you can put aside the ideological blinders for a while you might actually be able to make some sense of things, if you also know something of history and human psychology and science and religion and politics and... well, the list is endless. It's not easy to be well-informed and rational, but it can be done and it's worth the effort, as long as you know you'll never be perfect at it and won't always get it right. And to forestall the obvious question, yes, I consider myself to be well-informed and rational. And aware of my biases. We all have them, but most of us don't admit it, we just think we're right and that's that. And with specific reference to the OP, I think very few people know what socialism actually means, it's just a pejorative label, especially in the United States, people slap on ideas they either don't like or don't understand--or both--to avoid having to think about them on their own merits. Somebody really should try to explain why Obama's health care reforms are socialism but bailing out failed corporations to the tune of billions of taxpayer dollars is preserving capitalism and free enterprise.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

This will happen in most of Europe before it happens here,
Today in Greece
YouTube - GeraldCelenteChannel's Channel

Greece, Paraguay, Spain will draw France and Germany down with them, This will not happen in the U.S.

No doubt that is how the Greeks must have felt, that it will never happen to Greece. They probably had the same complacent attitude that most Americans have (that USA is the greatest country in the world; it will never be in any financial trouble).

But if USA keeps running the astronomical deficits that it currently does, it is most certainly headed the way of Greece. At some stage, austerity programs, spending cuts, tax increases will be instituted under the threat of bankruptcy, under a gunpoint from IMF.

 

[pgs]

Yes that is why all that money was running to buy american $ the last couple of days.
For a sofisticated investor you are sure out of touch.

 

[YukonJack]

SirJosephPorter opined in his post #54.

"But if USA keeps running the astronomical deficits that it currently does, it is most certainly headed the way of Greece. At some stage, austerity programs, spending cuts, tax increases will be instituted under the threat of bankruptcy, under a gunpoint from IMF."

So, in fact he claims and declares that the destruction of United States ecomomy ala Greece is the result of the "astonomical deficits" created by the Obama administration, which managed to multiply all the deficits created by all the previous administrations, combined.

Kind of in odds with his oft-repeated statements that it is the Democrats who are the prudent managers of the public purse.

 

[ironsides]

The Real Definition of Sedition That Liberals Don’t Want You To Know


By: J.J. Jackson
Watch out all you who dare to speak up against our government in Washington as those at the reins of power are snatching up every last bit of control they can! You are the dangerous ones. Worse yet you are committing a crime in the eyes of leftists like Joe Klein. That’s right folks your talk is dangerous and borders on sedition which people like Klein are all too eager to warn is a felony and that you could be hauled off to jail for engaging in.
Well, yeah … that’s half right which is typical for brain dead types like this who frankly cannot win an argument so they resort to making things up as they go along. Gee, seems like I just wrote an article about this not more than a couple weeks ago! Remember? I highlighted how liberals are more than willing to make things up. In that article I cited humorous and made up quotes from our founding fathers they sent me just to justify their opinions. Well add Mr. Klein to that list as he is apparently scared crapless that people are daring to stand up to his Lord high Messiah and His disciples in Washington
http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2010/04/24/the-real-definition-of-sedition-that-liberals-don%E2%80%99t-want-you-to-know/

Nancy Pelosi has informed the White House in no uncertain terms that Obama better back off the trash talk directed at congress.
http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2010/05/05/pelosi-to-obama-%e2%80%9cyou%e2%80%99re-messing-with-the-wrong-girl%e2%80%9d/

Yes this does come from a right wing site, so what.

 

[Avro]

What taxes are left to cut, everything is pretty much at an all time low. Somebody has to start raising taxes a little at a time so we can start making money from money again. Make it worth while to save in a bank again.

I will assume now you will never answer my question on how much federal taxes have increased under Obama.

I know why, facts are stubborn things.:lol:

 

[Bar Sinister]

We have more of a choice, the US could use a viable third party.

Absolutely. Without a third party (the NDP) Canadian politics would be little more than a copy of the US political scene with two right of centre parties exchanging places every few years. The fact that Canada has had a viable (and sometime very popular) left wing alternative has forced the Liberals and Conservatives to develop a social conscience (or at least a pretend one).

 

[ironsides]

I will assume now you will never answer my question on how much federal taxes have increased under Obama.

I know why, facts are stubborn things.:lol:

I did when you asked, but here it is again of today May 6, 2010, nothing. All he did so far was to get tax increases in place for next year and beyond.