What Does Quebec Export?

missile

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The only reason I don't like her is that she sang some Disney songs and that horrible"My heart Will Go On" :) She did give a million bucks to the New Orleans relief effort tho,she's not all that bad.
 

LeftCoast

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RE: What Does Quebec Expo

I hope Quebec never leave Canada. Apart from the cultural and historical impact of tearing apart two of the founding peoples that made Canada, seperation would weaken both Quebec and Canada.
 

Shiva

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Celine Dion couldn't have made it that big in Canada not because she was from Quebec, but because she's in Canada. No English Canadian could make it that big in Canada either. Reality: Canada has a population of only 30 million people. The U.S. market is nearly ten times that, meaning even if you appeal to a small segment of the population, we're talking big $$$. Separation isn't going to change that.

So why is she a sell-out because she got rich quick? The only good dollar is an honest dollar, and last I checked she got rich through her hard work. Like or dislike her work- fine, who cares? - but to imply she has bad character because she made a lot of money in a foreign country just sounds like jealousy... Would people really think so lowly of her if she made that money in the UK or some other country? Probably not.

Another point: A lot of people in Ontario do think that Quebec can't make it on its own- but the reverse is also true, i.e, they think any one province cannot make it on its own. That goes for us Ontarians, too. There are so many advantages to Confederation, and individually we are all weaker. If the refrain is brought up time and again in reference to Quebec, it's because that's the province with a separatist movement.
 

Vitamin C

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Celine Dion used to sing in French. If you compare her French songs to her English songs, you would find the french songs are much better.

Her French songs are art, from the heart....real music....

When any musicien changes their music so that they can make money, they are a sell-out.....thats what a sell-out is....someone who compromises art for money....

And there are many Canadian musicians who have made it big.....In English Canada Brian Adams, Nickleback, The Tragically Hip, K-OS etc....

And there are many Quebecois musiciens who have made it big singing french. You just have never heard of them. They make it big in Quebec, and then they go to France and sing, and go to all the hundreds of other French speaking countries around the world....half of Africa.....etc.....

Quebec has rap stars, rock stars....country music stars.....every kind of music you can think of......

And all of this has nothing to do with separatism....it has to do with Canada not understanding Quebec....
 

Shiva

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Vitamin C said:
Celine Dion used to sing in French. If you compare her French songs to her English songs, you would find the french songs are much better.

Her French songs are art, from the heart....real music....

When any musicien changes their music so that they can make money, they are a sell-out.....thats what a sell-out is....someone who compromises art for money....

And there are many Canadian musicians who have made it big.....In English Canada Brian Adams, Nickleback, The Tragically Hip, K-OS etc....

And there are many Quebecois musiciens who have made it big singing french. You just have never heard of them. They make it big in Quebec, and then they go to France and sing, and go to all the hundreds of other French speaking countries around the world....half of Africa.....etc.....

Quebec has rap stars, rock stars....country music stars.....every kind of music you can think of......

And all of this has nothing to do with separatism....it has to do with Canada not understanding Quebec....

I find that hard to believe. Not everything is about Canada not understanding Quebec. Afterall, we're talking about the actions of Celine Dion, not me or anyone else. Does Celine Dion not understand Quebec? If so, what does that have to do with the rest of us in Canada? You see, I think you've misunderstood me, because I understand intellectually the argument you're putting forward, I simply disagree with it. That's not the same thing as not 'understanding'.

First of all, her songs in French may be better than her English songs, but it's not as if she wrote them anyway. She's just a singer who sings the best of the selections put before her. She's not some prolific singer/writer who has a message in her music she's carefully thought out.

Also, you say that because her French lyrics & music was better, that she sold out to less quality work in English because of the money. Well, you're presuming she was in that line of work to begin with because she had some artistic urge she needed to get out, but turned her back on that for the sake of profit. The fact that she's not a song writer suggests that perhaps she's not so artistically driven with her work, though a great song would be fun and good for her career. How do we really know her motivations for getting into this line of work to begin with? Seeing as she was a young lady who didn't speak English when she began, she couldn't start her career in English even if she had wanted to. She started out in French, and used her success there to bridge over to English music. None of that means that she was in the line of work for artistry- her motive could have been getting paid well right from day one. And what's wrong with that?

You say she may have been able to do just as well in French as she has in English. Well, I'm sure she could have attained success, but to the same level? Of course not. There's simply more English speakers world-wide, and more of them live in affluent nations (which means more money off of her records). Ultimately, she thought she could do better in English music money-wise, & so she switched. So what? There are migrant workers all over the world, it doesn't mean she doesn't love her homeland. Do you think all those people who leave Quebec for work are sell-outs, too, just because they could have earned a living in Quebec though not as much (& maybe not doing the work their heart was in)?

How would you feel about people publicly discussing your choice of how to attain success? Would you welcome that, or would you feel it was none of their business? Granted, she is a public figure due to the nature of her work, but she still has a right to make her own decisions on how to live her own life. And I do believe that people should treat others how they'd wish to be treated, and considering most people would not be pleased by others condemning their choice of line of work (and questioning their integrity as a result, even though in this case it's a completely legal/moral way of earning a living), maybe we shouldn't be doing that with her, either.
 

DoubleWitt

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Simple common sense...

When you plan a career wisely in whatever field you might choose, there shouldn't be any limits. Otherwise you would achieve maybe only half of what you could possibly achieve - and so why define your career with limits...? Why stand faithfully with hindering limits when you can do more...? It's no dishonor to move forward in life when the opportunity presents itself...! Thanks for the USA, and thanks for every other country worldwide...! They ALL contributed to her success. Even if you don't like her singing, you can still admit that she has an outstanding voice and a gift...! That lady can sing real beautiful...! AND she still loves the people in Quebec very much... eventually maybe, you'll realize that she has got a lot of "heart" too... If you knew how many she has helped along the way...

DoubleWitt
 

Vitamin C

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There are also a lot of quebecois songs about people moving away from quebec, whether it be to Ottawa or the USA for a job....

It's sad the same way it's sad that people have to leave their small town communities everywhere......

In NewFoundland most young people have to leave their home to find work....

I think it's sad when you have to leave your community and culture to make a life for yourself....and Celine Dion represents that sadness for me.....

And it's not like immigrants leaving some huge country to go make a better life, because there are not THAT many quebecois people...and the culture is somewhat delicate....

I don't think it is seriously threatened right now.....but that could change very easily and very quickly......