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talloola

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The injury to brian campbell, (as a result of ovetchin's
wicked push, sending him into the boards) is a broken
clavicle and broken ribs. It was a stupid disrespectful
hard push, at just the right distance from the boards that
the momentum caused him to hit the boards at top speed,
and lucky he didn't hit his head and break his neck, but
his upper body and back/ribs took the brunt.

Everyone waiting to see if there is a suspension or not.
Colin Campbel said, re: cooke nonsuspension, that repeat
offending does not enter into decision to suspend, yet
on the interview some time ago, with ron mcLean, he said
that repeat offending does come into their decision when
suspending. ???????
 
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TenPenny

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Did you see the Saint John vs Moncton QMJHL game that was on last night? There was a lovely shoulder-to-the-head shot by one of the Moncton players...it was absolutely disgusting. In the last game of the season, between the no1 and no 2 teams in their division, with no chance that the game means anything.
 

wulfie68

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Well in Cooke's defense (as odious as that may be.. or maybe its Colin Campbell I am defending...whatever) he didn't break an "existing" rule when he smoked Savard. I saw the game and have seen numerous replays: he didn't charge/leave his feet, he used the shoulder and upper arm. He targeted the head of Savard (by the way he pulled his shoulder up), which will be illegal next year but unless they wanted to call him for "intent to injure" (which a case could made for) it was within the established rules (this is actually a peeve of mine: there is a lot if coverage on fouls in the existing rules, for example it was a no-brainer that Avery's waving his stick in Brodeur's face in the playoffs last year or whenever, was Unsportsmanlike Conduct. Why do the refs not call this crap for what it is instead of making the league come out with new rules and directives?).

Talloola, I know you don't like Cooke but to certain degree justice has to be blind: you can't penalize someone for who he is, but if what he does merits a penalty, you CAN take his history into account.

Ovechkin's case should (will?) be different. He broke an established rule in hitting Campbell from behind like he did. Since that is not in question, the NHL now should look at Ovechkin's history (including his suspensions for kneeing) and hand down its judgement... but because he IS Ovechkin, I don't see a huge suspension. He is one of the faces of the game right now and the league wants the Capitals to do well and cement more interest in the Washington area and southern reaches of the eastern seaboard (the same reasons he got off light on taking out Gonchar last year). I hope I'm wrong because his lack of respect for other athletes is the reason a pretty good defenceman's season is done.
 

Johnnny

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Anyone notice the leafs are looking better in the third period? Too bad they werent like that earlier in the year... I was drinking alot this weekend, but ill say the leafs may make it to the playoffs next year
 

Risus

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The injury to brian campbell, (as a result of ovetchin's
wicket push, sending him into the boards) is a broken
clavicle and broken ribs. It was a stupid disrespectful
hard push, at just the right distance from the boards that
the momentum caused him to hit the boards at top speed,
and lucky he didn't hit his head and break his neck, but
his upper body and back/ribs took the brunt.

Everyone waiting to see if there is a suspension or not.
Colin Campbel said, re: cooke nonsuspension, that repeat
offending does not enter into decision to suspend, yet
on the interview some time ago, with ron mcLean, he said
that repeat offending does come into their decision when
suspending. ???????
The NHL is too chicken s#$t to take serious action on these types of offenses. Its not allowid in other sports, so why is the NHL so stubborne.
 

talloola

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Well in Cooke's defense (as odious as that may be.. or maybe its Colin Campbell I am defending...whatever) he didn't break an "existing" rule when he smoked Savard. I saw the game and have seen numerous replays: he didn't charge/leave his feet, he used the shoulder and upper arm. He targeted the head of Savard (by the way he pulled his shoulder up), which will be illegal next year but unless they wanted to call him for "intent to injure" (which a case could made for) it was within the established rules (this is actually a peeve of mine: there is a lot if coverage on fouls in the existing rules, for example it was a no-brainer that Avery's waving his stick in Brodeur's face in the playoffs last year or whenever, was Unsportsmanlike Conduct. Why do the refs not call this crap for what it is instead of making the league come out with new rules and directives?).

Talloola, I know you don't like Cooke but to certain degree justice has to be blind: you can't penalize someone for who he is, but if what he does merits a penalty, you CAN take his history into account.

Ovechkin's case should (will?) be different. He broke an established rule in hitting Campbell from behind like he did. Since that is not in question, the NHL now should look at Ovechkin's history (including his suspensions for kneeing) and hand down its judgement... but because he IS Ovechkin, I don't see a huge suspension. He is one of the faces of the game right now and the league wants the Capitals to do well and cement more interest in the Washington area and southern reaches of the eastern seaboard (the same reasons he got off light on taking out Gonchar last year). I hope I'm wrong because his lack of respect for other athletes is the reason a pretty good defenceman's season is done.

Yeah, I know exactly what cooke did, and could have been
'intent to injure', campbell could have dealt with it that
way, but because he chose to ignore the richards hit earlier
in the season, he didn't have the courage to say, "O K, that's it, intent to injure is the call here, and anymore
of this sort will be the same, until the new ruling sets in.

The vicious slew-foot on crosby seems to be an intentional
retalliation on the cooke hit, and I know it's tampa bay
and not boston, but steve downey is also a dirty player from
way back, and the tampa bay players have expressed their
anger because nothing was done to cooke. Even Guerin, on
pittsburg expressed his dissapointment that nothing was done, cooke's own teamate.

This Thursday boston hosts pittsburg, all the 'suits' will
be there, and probably many warnings to players to keep it
clean, but how can those boston players go on the ice, with
their star player still suffering from a season ending concussion,
from the predatory hit from cooke, and not do 'something'.
If the league won't do anything, and cooke skates around and
continues to play, as cocky as ever, and when interviewed,
said "Just finishing my check", with no remorse at all, and
saying that he didn't mean to hurt him, well, please give me
a break, as he had lots of time to decide 'not' to do what
he did, travelling upward with his shoulder right into
sevard's head, from the blind side.

The penalty that cooke might receive, could be from his own
team, who may not sign him next year, and no one else will
want him either, hopefully. That would be what he really
deserves in the end, he has no respect from anyone, and he
certainly doesn't respect other players in the league,
they all need each other, and should play that way when
hitting.

Ovetchin's hit on campbell is a penalty, needs to be addressed, was the right call, he could have hit his head,
and been concussed too, but a broken clavicle and a broken
rib, will end his season too.

Ovetchkin didn't purposely attempt to hurt him, just made a
bad decision, and because he is so strong, and campbell much
lighter, it sent him flying into the boards at high speed.
Ovetchkin must learn to 'temper' his hits, he will seriously
hurt someone someday, although he is 'not' a dirty player,
he is tremendously strong, and plays like a bull.
 

#juan

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If there is any justice in the NHL, Ovetchkin will be suspended for the rest of the regular season for the dirty hit on Campbell. There was no reason for the hit. The puck was long gone. Campbell received a broken clavicle and several broken ribs. Ovetchkin says it was not a hard hit but would Campbell have been injured without the hit.? After that hit, Charging and boarding take on a whole new meaning. It is high time Ovetchkin was shown the gate for a while. Maybe it should cost him money as well.
 

#juan

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I see Ovetchkin got two games from Colin Campbell. This is a slap on the wrist in my opinion. The man Ovetchkin hit is out for at least the rest of the season. The NHL had a chance to send a message and they chose not to. It was probably a case of bottomline-itus. People come to see a star like Ovetchkin no matter what kind of an asshole he is. Gotta keep those seats full.

 

Risus

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I see Ovetchkin got two games from Colin Campbell. This is a slap on the wrist in my opinion. The man Ovetchkin hit is out for at least the rest of the season. The NHL had a chance to send a message and they chose not to. It was probably a case of bottomline-itus. People come to see a star like Ovetchkin no matter what kind of an asshole he is. Gotta keep those seats full.

Like I said before , the NHL is too chicken sh!t to get serious about this serious problem. I wonder if it will take a death before they do something meaningful...
 

TenPenny

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I think something like this, the offender should be out for at least the same length of time as the victim.

I was wondering last night - when Dominic Moore meets Todd Bertuzzi on the ice, how does he keep from doing a two-handed stick to the head? I'd have a hard time not inflicting serious injury on that little ****head if it was me.
 

Risus

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I think something like this, the offender should be out for at least the same length of time as the victim.

I was wondering last night - when Dominic Moore meets Todd Bertuzzi on the ice, how does he keep from doing a two-handed stick to the head? I'd have a hard time not inflicting serious injury on that little ****head if it was me.
Bertuzzi should have never been allowed back on the ice. He should have been banned for life.
 

talloola

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ovetchkin got a two game suspension, and I think that is OK,
could have been a couple more, but the two doesn't bother
me, because the two game suspension in Ovetchkin's eyes is
huge, he feels that, much more than a 4th liner like Cooke,
he will be devastated, not because he thinks he doesn't
deserve it, it is because he 'wants' to play, doesn't want
to be watching, and I think these small suspensions that
he gets will 'work' in this situation.

He needs to learn how strong he is, and that he can't just
roar around the ice hitting everything in site, 'without'
'thinking' before hand. He isn't really a dirty player, but
he is like a big child, doesn't seem to know his own strength, and needs 'times out' till he grows up.

Ovetckin's interview after the fact proves he 'doesn't' think, it
was like interviewing a child, "I just pushed him, it wasn't hard".
He must begin to think about what he does, he is probably the strongest
player in the league, and the point of this hit is, 'the distance away from
the boards campbell was', that is the key, and ovetchkin must know that.

He didn't push campbell in a predatory manner like cooke
hit savard, he didn't 'think', and he must learn to 'think'.

I do not agree with suspending players for the same length
of time as the injured player.
That rule could be 'milked' to the limit, by teams who
have a 4th liner injured, and will be playing the team who
has the 'better' player who is suspended. They can easily
make sure their player 'for some unknown' reason, just can't seem to get healthy enough to return, (but really they could)
 
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#juan

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I do not agree with suspending players for the same length
of time as the injured player.
That rule could be 'milked' to the limit, by teams who
have a 4th liner injured, and will be playing the team who
has the 'better' player who is suspended. They can easily
make sure their player 'for some unknown' reason, just can't seem to get healthy enough to return, (but really they could)

If the rule could be "milked" so be it. Maybe that would smarten some players up a bit. How many players have to be injured by Ovetchkin? This ignorant Cossack runs around bashing everyone in sight. Is a fourth liner somehow less entitled to make a living at hockey?
 

talloola

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If the rule could be "milked" so be it. Maybe that would smarten some players up a bit. How many players have to be injured by Ovetchkin? This ignorant Cossack runs around bashing everyone in sight. Is a fourth liner somehow less entitled to make a living at hockey?

no I don't agree, a 'team' should not be able to control
when an opposing player returns to hockey, and also should
not be able to milk a rule, that's just cheating. Two
wrongs don't make a right.

Ovetchkin is a great player, and I don't agree that he is a
dangerous player, the game is better because he is playing,
so I will come to his defense 'to a point'. He is nothing
like Cooke, he doesn't go around as a predator trying to
injure other players, he just hits hard, and 99% of the time
his hits are legal, not head shots, but very hard, that is
part of the game, he doesn't go around trying to knock
players out of the game.

He just has to learn to back off a little on occasion, and
this particular hit was a push, but a poorly thought push,
and his decision should have been, 'to ride campbell into
the boards', and go with him, and they both could have
fallen together, and it would not have been such an
impact for campbell.
 

TenPenny

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Ovetchkin is a great player, and I don't agree that he is a
dangerous player, the game is better because he is playing,
so I will come to his defense 'to a point'. He is nothing
like Cooke, he doesn't go around as a predator trying to
injure other players,

Okay, if you say so, but his shots to the knee are exactly like Cooke - a deliberate attempt to permanently end the career of another player. If he ever succeeds, he should be kicked out for life. He's got too much other talent to be such an idiot, although I admit, he looked good at the Olympics; really showed his stuff there.
 

wulfie68

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Ovechkin is a great player but that doesn't excuse the reckless disregard he shows for other players. People were up in arms about Cooke and pointing out his history but like Tenpenny points out, Ovechkin has had a couple previous suspensions for injuring defensemen with knee on knee hits... including sitting for 2 in December of this season already. He should have got a lot more than 2 games this time around.
 

talloola

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Okay, if you say so, but his shots to the knee are exactly like Cooke - a deliberate attempt to permanently end the career of another player. If he ever succeeds, he should be kicked out for life. He's got too much other talent to be such an idiot, although I admit, he looked good at the Olympics; really showed his stuff there.


he was suspended some time ago for a knee on knee, don't
know of any other similar offense.

if he continues making stupid decisions, he will pay for
them, he must smarten up, 'think' 'think' 'think'. ovetchkin
you are too good of a player to ruin your career doing dumb
things, smarten up.
 

talloola

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I just watched detroit defeat calgary 2-1, scored second
goal with 1 minute left in game.

very even game, although kiprisoff is the key for calgary,
without him they are toast, he is one of the best goalies
in the league.

Detroit has gone ahead of calgary by 3 now, leaving calgary
still sitting in 9th spot in the conference.
 

talloola

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The boston/pittsburg game will start in a few minutes.

That little coward, Cooke, will be strutting around, as
he has all of the NHL brass there to protect him, as well
as the linesmen, (his favourite friends), so he will be
hoping some boston player comes after him, then it will
be 'they' who get the punishment from the NHL, where he
escaped with nothing after his cheap shot to Savard, who
won't play till next season.

I will be watching for someone to bloody his nose, and make
him be accountable for his dirty hit. If the NHL had of
done it, he wouldn't be playing in this game, so he probably
wishes now, he did have a suspension.

The fans will give him an interesting welcome, can't wait.

These kind of games usually end of with nothing happening,
but I can't imagine that happening in this one.