Venezuela's Chavez AND Charlie Sheen on 9-11

[jimmoyer]

Darkbeaver, let's just say without nitpicking your "facts"
that all of what you say is true.

Now what?

My grandparents and parents lived in the Great Depression. We of the West are all in it together
and our economies will shrink drastically as you
applaud the shutdown of the Persian Gulf.

The little guy is going to get crushed YOUR WAY
or THEIR WAY.

Got it?

Regarding this motivation of oil, it is way beyond
either the left or right pontificating.

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: Venezuela's Chavez AN

Do a search, aeon, of threads around the time of Katrina. I'd do it, but I'm lazy.

I know its hard to believe, but the Fringe believes it to be true.

I did and i found none, nice try though.

You didn't look very hard.

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7389&highlight=katrina

Nothing in your link is said that bush is behind katrina and the tsunami.

It says the government is behind weather modification for war. You think this is true?

Since you weren't here, I'd suggest you go through the links in September and October and you will find posters arguing that Bush slammed Katrina into New Orleans. I would, but I don't want to spend a couple of hours reading through threads I've read through before.

You'll find all sorts of unusual conspiracy theories about a great many things.

 

[jimmoyer]

I know it is hard to believe why would they do that, but bush isnt the master of this plan, quite far from what i believe.

The only thing i can say to you, just look at the facts as we know so far, do your own search on it.Look at the credibility of the 19 hijackers, the 9-11 comission , alquada.How the bush administration has handle the event.
-------------------------------aeon-----------------------

How the Bush administration handled the event
with all its mistakes and followup -----yes, I can
easily believe that.

I believe in incompetence, not superhuman perfection.

Believing that the Bush Administration masterminded
the 9-11 disaster makes me think none of you ever
saw a demolition company screw up an implosion of
far smaller buildings.

 

[aeon]

Re: RE: Venezuela's Chavez AN

It says the government is behind weather modification for war. You think this is true?

.

This i admit is stupid, but i know for a fact, the organisation haarp project in the 60 , were experimenting that kind of thing, but hurricane, weather disaster, doesnt help the economy at all, didnt help bush either in katrina, that is a fact, so no i dont believe it at all.

Since you weren't here, I'd suggest you go through the links in September and October and you will find posters arguing that Bush slammed Katrina into New Orleans. I would, but I don't want to spend a couple of hours reading through threads I've read through before.

You'll find all sorts of unusual conspiracy theories about a great many things

Ok i ll try.

 

[I think not]

Dear Mr Chavez,

Thank you for participating in this secret government coverup involving hundreds, if not thousands upon thousands of individuals, organizations and corporations the world over. I'm sure you have the ability to enlighten the rest of us poor folk, trapped in the corporate propaganda. Since you have time to spare, kindly look into the following as well, it's been boggling my mind for quite some time now.

1) The CIA created the AIDS epidemic and deliberately administered it to gays through tainted hepatitis vaccinations in the 1970s. Help us Chavez.

2) The moon landing hoax. Help us Chavez.

3) The Denver International Airport believed to be the Western headquarters of the New World Order. Help us Chavez.

4) Please Mr. Chavez, look into Kentucky Fried Chicken. It is sometimes claimed that the franchise is owned by the Ku Klux Klan, and the chicken is laced with a drug that makes only black men impotent.

5) Check out the New Orleans levee's, I hear they were intentionally destroyed to create a massive flood of New Orleans poorest black neighborhoods.

6) While you're at it Mr. Chavez, please try and find the lazer that shot down the Columbia Space Shuttle, it's been boggling my mind for a couple of decades.

7) Also check out TWA Flight 800, I hear we get in the habit of shooting down a plane full of French.

8) Also, please make arrangements to bring back Elvis.

Yours Truly,

ITN.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Re: RE: Venezuela's Chavez AN

Perfect. JohnUtah you should get a new tinfoil hat yours has holes in it and a moonbeam like you should stay away from koolaide.

Darkbeaver your lack of originality is showing. The more I read the more I am apt to assume that you still use pimple cream and read Tiger Beat magazine.

Perhaps you could loan Johnny your tinfoil hat. Have you gotten a new gerbal for your wheel yet?

 

[aeon]

Dear Mr Chavez,

Thank you for participating in this secret government coverup involving hundreds, if not thousands upon thousands of individuals, organizations and corporations the world over. I'm sure you have the ability to enlighten the rest of us poor folk, trapped in the corporate propaganda. Since you have time to spare, kindly look into the following as well, it's been boggling my mind for quite some time now.

1) The CIA created the AIDS epidemic and deliberately administered it to gays through tainted hepatitis vaccinations in the 1970s. Help us Chavez.

2) The moon landing hoax. Help us Chavez.

3) The Denver International Airport believed to be the Western headquarters of the New World Order. Help us Chavez.

4) Please Mr. Chavez, look into Kentucky Fried Chicken. It is sometimes claimed that the franchise is owned by the Ku Klux Klan, and the chicken is laced with a drug that makes only black men impotent.

5) Check out the New Orleans levee's, I hear they were intentionally destroyed to create a massive flood of New Orleans poorest black neighborhoods.

6) While you're at it Mr. Chavez, please try and find the lazer that shot down the Columbia Space Shuttle, it's been boggling my mind for a couple of decades.

7) Also check out TWA Flight 800, I hear we get in the habit of shooting down a plane full of French.

8) Also, please make arrangements to bring back Elvis.

Yours Truly,

ITN.

One thing you cant say against chavez, is he is for his peoples, something like your governement has never been, same for our governement, i honesly have a lot of respect for chavez, and you should, he isnt a muppet for the coorporations.

 

[JoeyB]

RE: Venezuela's Chavez AN

I think it's time to move this thread to wreck beach.

You lot are just arguing amongst yourselves, not ascertaining fact and not separating fact from fiction.

This alleged 'debate' is nothing more than recycled garbage rhetoric from both sides. How bout you all cut the crap, lose the attitude, stop slandering each other just because your views aren't like-minded and start finding something else to do, or just shut the hell up.

start finding some facts, or just don't bother. This garbage has just gone on way too long for anyone to even think about being serious. Get with the program guys. Debate facts, not your opinions.

 

[mloser]

RE: Venezuela's Chavez AN

I see omissions and manipulations by people who attempt to support the impossible thesis that wtc towers collapsed due to plane damage and fire.
Here are some of the omissions distortions:

1) Watch the videos!! Explosive energy ejects steel i-beams as far as 500 feet laterally along with pulverized concrete. Gravity can't account for this. Neither can negligible air currents caused by air being forced out of space between floors.

2) Nearly all the concrete was pulverized to sub - 100 micron dust. A true collapse minus the explosives would have left the steel re-enforced concrete mostly intact especially since floor trusses would have collapsed between successive floors cushioning the collisions. The compressive strength of concrete is between 3000 and 5000 psi . The weight of the entire stack of concrete ( 110 floors ) plus crushed floor trusses and office furniture wouldn't even add up to a load of 50 psi at the bottom of the heap, less than 1 % of concrete's compressive strength. In a real collapse, forces at collision points would have been significantly greater, but the point is that none of the floors ( especially the upper floors ) would have been pulverized to extremely fine dust and in reality would have been stacked up about 40 or 50 feet high relatively intact.

3) Look at engineering data regarding much hotter fires that burned for 16 hours and longer. It is EXTREMELY unlikely that any of the steel core beams got hot enough to yield. The handful of the massive 47 steel core columns exposed to fire would "wick" heat away in much the same way a wood stove with a blazing hot fire doesn't get damaged. Imagine that a few of the columns did fail. There are 47 of them! It is pure fantasy to assume that the building would collapse symetrically along with the undamaged columns. Thermate was used to cut the columns in pieces. The evidence for this is overwhelming. Remember the 2000+ degree steel in the bottom of the elevator shafts found as much as 5 weeks later? Remember the videos of molten iron running out of the side of the building ? These observations and chemical evidence show that thermate was used to cut the steel beams in approximately 30 foot sections.

4) Search for engineering data on the wtc 1 and 2 floor trusses. They were over-engineered and would not have failed due to these low grade fires. Remember, the fires were almost out! Even the 9-11 commission abandoned thetheory that the trusses failed and instead adopted the column failure theory which is equally absurd.

5) Law of conservation of momentum. Had this been a natural collapse, each floor's collision with the one below it would have absorbed kinetic energy slowing the collapse significantly below free-fall speed. The resistance of the trusses shearing from the many support columns would have absorbed a huge amount of the kinetic energy. Building # 7 fell at free-fall speed. Only controlled demolition can explain this, unless, of course the laws of physics didn't apply on Sept. 11, 2001. The 1 and 2 towers fell at nearly free-fall speed too, but because of the giant dust clouds, it is difficult to measure the collapse time.

6) WATCH THE VIDEOS!!! Have you ever seen anything like the collapse of these buildings other than controlled demolition? Thousands of human bone fragments, less than 1/16 of an inch in size have been found on the roof top of the neighboring Duetsche Bank. Only explosives can account for this. When buildings have collapsed due to natural events such as earth quakes and other disasters, the human bodies are found relatively intact. Why were the bodies at the wtc site blown to bits?
Most of the 20,000 + body parts found at the wtc were small enough to fit in a test tube.