US caused more deaths in Iraq than Saddam, says anti-war tri

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US caused more deaths in Iraq than Saddam, says anti-war tribunal


AFP | June 26 2005


The World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI), a grouping of NGOs, intellectuals and writers opposed to the war in Iraq, on Friday accused the United States of causing more deaths in Iraq than ousted president Saddam Hussein.

"With two wars and 13 years of criminal sanctions, the United States have been responsible for more deaths in Iraq than Saddam Hussein," Larry Everest, a journalist, told hundreds of anti-war activists gathered in Istanbul.


Founded in 2003, the WTI is modelled on the 1960s Russell Tribunal, created by the British philosopher Bertrand Russell to denounce the war in Vietnam. It has held about 20 sessions so far in different locations around the world.

A symbolic verdict was to be handed down on Monday by the 14 "jurors of conscience" -- including the militant Indian novelist Arundhati Roy, winner of the 1997 Booker Prize for "The God of Small Things."

The tribunal has for the past two years been gathering what it says is evidence that the war launched in March 2003 to oust Saddam was illegal, and it has also been gathering evidence of exactions allegedly committed by coalition troops.

Its verdict on Monday after its final session is expected to condemn both the United States and Britain.

Roy told the gathering here: ""The evidence collated in this tribunal should ... be used by the International Criminal Court -- whose jurisdiction the United States does not recognize -- to try as war criminals George Bush, Tony Blair, John Howard, Silvio Berlusconi, and all those government officials, army generals, and corporate CEOs who participated in this war and now benefit from it."

She added that the tribunal was "an act of resistance," "a defense mounted against one of the most cowardly wars ever fought in history."

Hans von Sponeck, former director of the UN's so-called oil-for-food programme for Iraq, told the Istanbul gathering that the humanitarian programme "was totally irrelevant."

Von Sponeck ran the programme until 2000 when he resigned because he said it failed to meet the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi people.

The oil-for-food programme ran from 1996 to 2003. It allowed Baghdad to sell oil in exchange for humanitarian goods the country lacked due to international sanctions imposed in 1990 after Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Critics said the sanctions led to the deaths of tens of thousands of children and a drastic decline in living standards for almost the entire Iraqi population.

The Iraqi government under Saddam swindled millions of dollars from the 64-billion-dollar scheme, and the scandal has become a huge embarrassment for the United Nations.

"The UN handling of Iraq will be listed as a massive failure," von Sponeck said. "We didn't speak out despite knowing what the economic sanctions had created as a human disaster."

He singled out the United States and British governments for allegedly blocking projects that would, he said, have allowed more people to survive.

Some 200 non-governmental organsiations -- including the environmentalist group Greenpeace, the anti-globalization ATTAC and Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- as well as a number of prominent intellectuals such as US linguist Noam Chomsky and Egyptian sociologist Samir Amin are involved in the WTI.

http://infowars.net/Pages/June05/260605Iraq.html
 

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moghrabi said:
"With two wars and 13 years of criminal sanctions, the United States have been responsible for more deaths in Iraq than Saddam Hussein," Larry Everest, a journalist, told hundreds of anti-war activists gathered in Istanbul.

And where is the rest of the world on that list? The US didn;t fight the Gulf War alone and it imposed sanctions according to the UN.

Sounds like a trial Pontius Pilate would oversee. World to the US: "We wash our hands of guilt" HA! You're neck deep in guilt.
 

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He should have said US and its allies. I agree with you there. Together they caused more Iraqi death than the monster they had.
 

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But on a second thought, who would have dared to question the US on anything during the 2 wars and the sanctions????????
 

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moghrabi said:
But on a second thought, who would have dared to question the US on anything during the 2 wars and the sanctions????????

France and Germany did. The US is GUILTY as charged, NO QUESTION. But so is everyone else, either by being active or inactive.
 

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The 2 wars and the embargo actually did cause more death than Saddam did on his own. That does not make him any better, but the count now is about 1.5 million people died in wars, deceases, and lack of medicine.
 

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This posted has been deleted and posted in moderator fourm...this individual is banned from this site for posting HATE links.
 

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More evidence that shows the article is a rubbish

The link you posted cites evidence that begin during the Reagan regime, Dave. You forgot to mention that the US threatened to veto any UN sanctions or condemnations of Iraq or Saddam Hussein when the original gassing of the Kurds occurred. The Reagan administration maintained that it was Iran who carried out the original attacks, in fact.

No matter how they try to weasel out of responisbility, members of the Bush administration have been deeply involved in atrocities against the Iraqi people for a quarter of a century.
 

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In the past 10+ years, it was the Turks who killed more Kurds than did Saddam. So far, none of the Western powers have done anything to stop this genocide. Instead, they are talking about allowing racist genocidal Turkey into the EU.

There is no question that the US has killed more Iraqis than did Saddam whether through war or through sanctions.

Lastly, Bush's allies who now control Iraq Barzani, Talebani and al-Jafaari were all aligned at one time with al-Qaeda. Al-Jaffari's party al-Daawa is a known terrorist group who killed Americans in Kuwait and committed other atrocities:

http://www.meib.org/articles/0306_iraqd.htm
 

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Have you guys all forgotten the mass burial grounds still being dug up ?

Have you guys all missed reading news article after news article of the insurgents killing fellow Iraqis for their own good ?

Have you guys all missed the 8 year war Saddam started with Iran ?
Do you know the casualties of his own people he caused in that war?

And Turks killing more Kurds than Saddam ?
Give me a break here. Saddam killed more Kurds within his own Iraqi borders. The Turks killed Kurds within their own Turkish border. This is more accurate than the broad brush smear.

And what about a nation of snitches, the hallmark of the Stalinist police state Saddam modeled his country after? A nation of snitches, encouraging parents to be afraid of their own children?
How many there went into the black hole and missed the headlines that so informs the world's intelligence ?


Have you guys jumped at embracing an article that appeals to your bias ???

Historical Amnesia strikes again.

Headline Paranoia wins again.

The fashion of thinking RULES ALL.



Oy veh.
 

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Who supported Saddam in his war with Iran with weapons and money Jim :p Those mass grave numbers have been artificially inflated (Will post link)Who's in charge over there now Jim Saddams former cronies why the hell do you think the insurgency is so strong the same old goons are running the show for the USG :x
 

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What a lovely desire and passion to show those mass burials were artificially inflated.

It's understandable to seek to downplay a horror that might not fit with the world's bias against Bush.

The media has grown bored of the matter, but the relatives of those dead are still searching, still digging.

Can ya dig it?

What justice is that ?

The righteous always beget a new sin, while getting rid of the old sin.

Who's checking on who's inflating the numbers ???
 

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Hey bud I'm not righteous I just read all the info not just the propaganda spewed out from Fox that you seem to run on
 

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LOL !!!

Yo Mrmom2, that reference to the righteous includes what both sides of this debate are doing.

The American righteousness has knocked off one sin and has a new one in place, while the rest of the world is understanding of the evil of the insurgents killing off fellow Iraqis, a sin just as stupid.

Side by side lives these 2 truths.

That's why the righteous always beget a new sin.
 

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evil of the insurgents


Precisely the same words used to describe Washington and the Founders :!:
 

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mrmom2 said:
Who supported Saddam in his war with Iran with weapons and money Jim :p

mrmom2 said:
...I'm not righteous I just read all the info not just the propaganda...

You must have missed this:

% Total

USSR 59.57
France 12.43
China 11.05
Czechosl 6.57
Poland 3.84
Brazil 1.65
Egypt 1.18
Denmark 0.52
USA 0.47
Austria 0.43
Romania 0.42
Switzerland 0.34

http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/TIV_imp_IRQ_70-04.pdf

A whopping 0.47% - right up there with Austria and Denmark - those other international bullies.

http://www.canadiancontent.net/forums/about5335-60.html