US-A Theocracy ??? or??

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Reverend Blair

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RE: US-A Theocracy ??? o

They may not be an out and out theocracy yet, but the US has shrunken further and further from the separation of church and state in recent years. That is definitely related to the takeover of much of the Republican party by the radical religious right.

If they don't get a handle on it soon and begin acting like a working democracy, they will continue to spiral downward at an ever-faster rate. The founding fathers have to be spinning in their graves at what has happened to their country.
 
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Ah, theocracy, keep going, you'll get it sooner or later.
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Do you have a better name for it???

One cannot call it a true democracy anymore.......so what is it??
 
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RE: US-A Theocracy ??? o

Perhaps we are all waiting for the re-emergence of the "Silent Majority"; those who are not driven by some twisted or overly literal interpretation of "The Bible". Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic to think that the majority of Americans are not 'Fundamentalists' but do respect the rights and religious practices of others. Perhaps it's just a case of the noisy ones getting all the attention.
I recall that during the Schiavo travesty, polls indicated that the 'Fundamentalist view' wasn't supported by the majority.
Perhaps.
 
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Yet is getting closer and claser though. Have your ever read the Handmaid's Tale? It kind of sucks as a book, but it's looking more and more like a minor prophecy.
 
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Reverend Blair said:
Yet is getting closer and claser though. Have your ever read the Handmaid's Tale? It kind of sucks as a book, but it's looking more and more like a minor prophecy.
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no, haven't. Should check it out. Thanks.

(agree, it is getting closer to a ....."form" of Theocracy. with a US twist to it :wink:
 
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Wetcoast40 said:
Perhaps we are all waiting for the re-emergence of the "Silent Majority"; those who are not driven by some twisted or overly literal interpretation of "The Bible". Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic to think that the majority of Americans are not 'Fundamentalists' but do respect the rights and religious practices of others. Perhaps it's just a case of the noisy ones getting all the attention.
I recall that during the Schiavo travesty, polls indicated that the 'Fundamentalist view' wasn't supported by the majority.
Perhaps.
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good :thumbleft: post.
 
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What a lot of hoopla, paranoia and over-reaction.

Sheeesh.

You know what will save us all?

The people who don't read, don't vote, don't care about what we care about, who go on with their lives and who have an intuition about us folks that is dead on the mark.
 
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You know what will save us all?

The people who don't read, don't vote, don't care about what we care about, who go on with their lives and who have an intuition about us folks that is dead on the mark.
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:idea: The profile provided for the people that can save us all doesn't cut it for two reasons:

One, they're easier to dupe and take advantage of if they don't know who is representing them, and how.

Plus if they would rather go on their lives and rely on intuition nothing would get done if something is going wrong...until it already happened.

Intuition is just assumption, some may get it right but many more will not.
 
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jimmoyer said:
I think you hold too much in the value of we who argue endlessly in our righteous manners.

It is because of this behavior, many opt out to do those things they can.
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:wink: Assumptions my friend.

I don't argue to be righteous. My ideas may ebb and flow with the outcome of each discourse.

But what can you do when you are confronted by one so assuringly right, but what they stand for is so inherently wrong*?

The left and right on this board have good opinions from both ends, none do feel wrong, but there are times you feel that no one is trying the others shoes on. You see. I like Shoes, but I'm talking about the ones that are waaaaaay left or right. You know, the ones that would make you go:
Errrrrrrrrrrggggggghhh!!! Sometimes you have to take a righteous stance then.




*I know, I know, that's also an assumption.
 
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Ocean Breeze said:
I think not said:
Ah, theocracy, keep going, you'll get it sooner or later.
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Do you have a better name for it???

One cannot call it a true democracy anymore.......so what is it??
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There is no such thing as a true democracy, and democracy is a journey not a destination by the way.

But as far as democracies go, I would call it that, why wouldn't I?
 
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But what can you do when you are confronted by one so assuringly right, but what they stand for is so inherently wrong*?
-----------Joe canadian


Good question.

Of course it assumes much (as you indicated in your asterisk), but what does one do in that situation?

We've all seen the behavior your question describes in every issue debated.

You see it in the gun control issue, the abortion issue, the Eminent domain issue, the church and state issue, the Iraq War, minimum wage, capitalism and socialism issues.

Can any of us really believe one side has a monopoly on the the whole truth on any one of those issues?

Isn't that why we have the issue in the first place, because neither side has resolved it, both holding on to their peice of the truth ?

This is the reason why I'm very suspicious of the secular GOD OF UNASSAILABLE LOGIC, equal in every way to a religion, equally intolerant, equally incapable of nuance and ambiguity.
 
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I ended up taking this quote from another forum, where a hard core Christian Bush believer had this rant on a particular topic. I then barely tweaked it to show that what the bush believer wants is essentially a theocracy...


(USABeliever @ Jun 20 2005, 03:27 PM)

The Founding fathers were wrong. They were wrong on a lot of things we take for granted now. The State needs Religion and Religion needs the State. We must have the Government allow Christians to be the majority and since we are if we have the votes and the candidates, then soon we will have our morality as law, we may not be the only religion in America, but we certainly are the most powerful. If you are an Athiest in this country , you might as well be a Liberal too for all the good you'll do our great nation. It's really about power, those that have it use it, and those that don't covet it.
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You know, with a tweak of only one word, and the omission of the founding fathers in that statement you sound alot like one of the Axis of EEEEvil countries you've been eyeballing: Iran.


The State needs Religion and Religion needs the State. We must have the Government allow muslims to be the majority and since we are if we have the votes and the candidates, then soon we will have our morality as law
, we may not be the only religion in America, but we certainly are the most powerful. If you are an Athiest in this country , you might as well be a Liberal too for all the good you'll do our great nation. It's really about power, those that have it use it, and those that don't covet it.
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