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No what you are doing is playing games, and your not good at it either, your not a liberal, your probally someone banned from this site, but hey carry on, but you start trolling and your going.
Don't be so silly, I use the term spook as a joke...hello!!!!! what would the CIA being doing at a message board, surely they have better things to meddle in. Grow up!
Don't be so silly, I use the term spook as a joke...hello!!!!! what would the CIA being doing at a message board, surely they have better things to meddle in. Grow up!
thelib said:
Had you been here long enough to make such judgements, you would have known how ludicrous that statement is...peapod has not, and would not make denigrating remarks against any minority...
My suggestion is take some time to read some posts and catch up a bit before you jump in...
I haven't been posting in a long while and so it would probably be prudent to avoid making a comment here. What the hell, though. I wouldn't know prudent if it bit me on the butt.
I am about as far-left as you can get, but I do find huge value and enjoyment in having conservative viewpoints on this forum. After all, no point of view is worth having if it can't stand up to some serious attacks.
Thing is, when you thoroughly disagree with someone's political point of view, it is all too easy to search for and find personal offense... but sometimes the offense is simply that the person has (to you) a repellent point of view. In other words, anything they say might be seen as bait.
In an all-out flaming thread that threatens to burn down the house I think all participants should get equal treatment. The person who dangled the bait is no worse than the person who chose to react. After all, nobody is ever *forced* to react to bait. One chooses to do so, and as soon as one does, there is no difference between baiter and reactor. To some degree, I'd go so far as to say the reactor is the bigger offender, because bait, when left untouched, is useless and impotent. Only by taking the bait is it given power.
This is a great forum, with good people, and it can only become better with the addition of members with a completely different point of view. Forums don't do well when filled with just conservatives or just liberals. Since conservatives are the minority on this forum, I think it would be better - bigger - to give them more, not less, benefit of the doubt, for it takes courage to be one voice speaking out against the many.
Now I think it might be time for me to go rustle up some of that prudence I so obviously lack.
I am about as far-left as you can get, but I do find huge value and enjoyment in having conservative viewpoints on this forum. After all, no point of view is worth having if it can't stand up to some serious attacks.
Thing is, when you thoroughly disagree with someone's political point of view, it is all too easy to search for and find personal offense... but sometimes the offense is simply that the person has (to you) a repellent point of view. In other words, anything they say might be seen as bait.
In an all-out flaming thread that threatens to burn down the house I think all participants should get equal treatment. The person who dangled the bait is no worse than the person who chose to react. After all, nobody is ever *forced* to react to bait. One chooses to do so, and as soon as one does, there is no difference between baiter and reactor. To some degree, I'd go so far as to say the reactor is the bigger offender, because bait, when left untouched, is useless and impotent. Only by taking the bait is it given power.
This is a great forum, with good people, and it can only become better with the addition of members with a completely different point of view. Forums don't do well when filled with just conservatives or just liberals. Since conservatives are the minority on this forum, I think it would be better - bigger - to give them more, not less, benefit of the doubt, for it takes courage to be one voice speaking out against the many.
Now I think it might be time for me to go rustle up some of that prudence I so obviously lack.
Cosmo said:
Maybe you're not looking hard enough Cosmo, which rather surprises me since I consider you to be a rather good moderator
Cosmo said:
No, I beg to differ with you here with the exception of there being a zillion forums out there. An administrator of any board does not want members leaving for the very simple reason that eventually everyone would. I think part of the "job function" of a moderator is to have a moderate tone. Would you be so inclined to say take it or leave it if the board had considerably less members? Maybe, maybe not.
Cosmo said:
I do like it when you have to follow certain policies, I don't believe I have ever said otherwise.
Cosmo said:
Just be as moderate and as fair as a moderator can be, that's all I suggest.
Read haggis's post! and yes think we do try to be as fair as we can be considering we are left...just ask toro the snowblower...and ehm...thats a peapod term of endearment...don't even try to tell me I gots to be like everybody else, coz I won't...I will never go hungry again! oops can't use that one.
peapod said:Read haggis's post! and yes think we do try to be as fair as we can be considering we are left...just ask toro the snowblower...and ehm...thats a peapod term of endearment...don't even try to tell me I gots to be like everybody else, coz I won't...I will never go hungry again! oops can't use that one.
edited and posted in moderator forum..trying to incite a argument
remarks made to bash the moderators in your post have been deleted and posted in the moderator forum. If you are going to continue to troll and bash than I am giving you this last warning, and than I am banning you.
I think not said:
I do try, ITN. When you feel I am being unfair, let me know. I'm approachable. In fact, I appreciate the input. Hard as it is to believe .... yes, I am imperfect.
The biggest problem we are facing right now is that some of the fighting has got out of hand. It's tough to get it stopped. We're dealing with adults here, not kids you can send to the corner. Plus, since this has been going on a while, both sides of each argument does have merit. As a mod, I try to start somewhere and work outward from there. Sometimes I make mistakes. When I do, I appreciate being approached about it. Sometimes I have good reason for what I do but since not everyone knows the full picture, I still appreciate being given an opportunity to explain why I've done things a certain way.
I don't have a "take it or leave it" feeling about forum members. There's always a sense of loss when someone who has been a big part of the forum no longer comes around. I've spoken with other mods and we do share one common feeling, though ... if someone is truly unhappy here, there IS a whole world out there. Rather than pick fights, complain and be generally difficult to moderate, sometimes it is better to move on.
What I do appreciate, ITN, is dialogue about these issues. I have respect for people who will take the time to address me directly. The coyote approach is highly distasteful to me and I value your candor.
Re: RE: Update
thelib ... I read your comments and agree with Pea. You seem to want to criticize and insult without offering any constructive solutions.
Here we are not just moderators, but active forum members as well. That does not mean we ban people for disagreeing with our posts. Andem is careful to choose mods who are fair minded and know the difference between personalities and policies. We all attempt to live up to that expectation and yes, use that power to settle disputes that have degenerated into personal attacks.
You are new here ... take a little time to scope things out before you judge too harshly. Pea has warned you about inciting fights. The rest of us mods agree with her assessment and back her decision. I suggest you hang out in the humour thread and flex your happy thoughts muscle or you will be given an invitation to the world (a nice way of saying banned)
thelib said:
thelib ... I read your comments and agree with Pea. You seem to want to criticize and insult without offering any constructive solutions.
Here we are not just moderators, but active forum members as well. That does not mean we ban people for disagreeing with our posts. Andem is careful to choose mods who are fair minded and know the difference between personalities and policies. We all attempt to live up to that expectation and yes, use that power to settle disputes that have degenerated into personal attacks.
You are new here ... take a little time to scope things out before you judge too harshly. Pea has warned you about inciting fights. The rest of us mods agree with her assessment and back her decision. I suggest you hang out in the humour thread and flex your happy thoughts muscle or you will be given an invitation to the world (a nice way of saying banned)
FYI ... I have PM'd thelib with a warning that he is on notice if he continues to bait members of this forum. Of 31 posts, 14 are aimed directly at one other forum member. It just ain't gonna fly, Orville. Play nice.
I wanted to come by and apologize to anyone who may have been offended by what I had said recently on another thread. The charming, intelligent and urbane moderators have informed me that several of you were upset about my (juvenile) dig at Reverend Blair concerning "his heroes", that being Pol Pot and Stalin. I genuinely wasn't trying to offend anyone (well, anyone but one) but rather, not only to escalate a silly flame war, but also to make a wider point. Unfortunately, my lack of skill as a writer precluded my ability to do so effectively, and in retrospect, I was wrong in using such over the top language when I was unable to effectively communicate my point. Plus I was wrong for engaging in escalating this silliness. I honestly didn't believe anyone would take my statements seriously. I may disagree a lot with Reverend Blair (and I certainly don't trust him - he knows why), but I wouldn't ever believe that Pol Pot and Stalin were his or anyone sane's heroes. I figured the statement was so outrageous and ridiculous that no one could possibly take it seriously.
There's this continuing chain of thought in certain parts of the political spectrum that what is happening in America is akin to "facism" or "Nazism", that America is turning into the "Fourth Reich", that we live in a police state. To me, and to most people in America, that is a tremendously outrageous and ridiculous statement. Not only does is it demeaning to Americans, it trivializes the millions who died during the time of Nazi Germany. It would be deeply offensive - if it weren't so comical and cartoonish. But it passes for serious debate with some. To me, comparing America to Nazi Germany is as outrageous as saying that someone on the Left's hero is Pol Pot or Stalin. That was the point I was clumsily and unsuccesfully trying to infer. (Well, and to be juvenile in a flame war.)
So, again, I apologize to anyone who was offended by that comment. Even you Rev.
There's this continuing chain of thought in certain parts of the political spectrum that what is happening in America is akin to "facism" or "Nazism", that America is turning into the "Fourth Reich", that we live in a police state. To me, and to most people in America, that is a tremendously outrageous and ridiculous statement. Not only does is it demeaning to Americans, it trivializes the millions who died during the time of Nazi Germany. It would be deeply offensive - if it weren't so comical and cartoonish. But it passes for serious debate with some. To me, comparing America to Nazi Germany is as outrageous as saying that someone on the Left's hero is Pol Pot or Stalin. That was the point I was clumsily and unsuccesfully trying to infer. (Well, and to be juvenile in a flame war.)
So, again, I apologize to anyone who was offended by that comment. Even you Rev.