UK House of Commons in ten hour debate on Syrian air strikes

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David Cameron is making the case for air strikes against IS in Syria, saying the aim is to "keep the British people safe" from terror attacks.

He faced calls to apologise for reportedly saying opponents of action were "terrorist sympathisers".

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the comment "demeans the office of prime minister".

The PM declined to apologise, but said there was "honour" in voting for or against military action.

The 10 hour Commons debate will end with a vote on whether the UK joins others such as France, the US and Russia in bombing targets in Syria.

The government motion would authorise air strikes "exclusively" against Islamic State - also known as Isis, Isil or Daesh - in Syria.

Mr Cameron said: "The question before the House today is how we keep the British people safe from the threat posed by Isil.

"This is not about whether we want to fight terrorism, it's about how best we do that."

Syria vote: Cameron says air strikes will make UK safer


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Commons Speaker John Bercow revealed that 157 MPs have signalled they would like to speak in the marathon ten-hour debate which started at 10.30am

David Cameron is making the case for air strikes against IS in Syria, saying the aim is to "keep the British people safe" from terror attacks.

He faced calls to apologise for reportedly saying opponents of action were "terrorist sympathisers".

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the comment "demeans the office of prime minister".

The PM declined to apologise, but said there was "honour" in voting for or against military action.

The 10 hour Commons debate will end with a vote on whether the UK joins others such as France, the US and Russia in bombing targets in Syria.

The government motion would authorise air strikes "exclusively" against Islamic State - also known as Isis, Isil or Daesh - in Syria.

Mr Cameron said: "The question before the House today is how we keep the British people safe from the threat posed by Isil.

"This is not about whether we want to fight terrorism, it's about how best we do that."


David Cameron today repeatedly refused to apologise for calling MPs who oppose airstrikes in Syria 'terrorist sympathisers' as a marathon Commons debate on airstrikes got underway

He said MPs faced a simple question: "Do we work with our allies to degrade and destroy this threat and do we go after these terrorists in their heartlands from where they are plotting to kill British people, or do we sit back and wait for them to attack us?"

He called on MPs to "answer the call from our allies" and take action.

Mr Cameron said that in future the UK government would be referring to IS as Daesh as much as possible, because "this evil death cult is neither a true representation of Islam nor is it a state".

Daesh has negative connotations in the Middle East and is seen by some as a way of challenging the legitimacy of the group.


MPs will vote on RAF airstrikes after 10pm tonight, with at least 40 Labour MPs expected to back the government

Jeremy Corbyn emphasised the "potentially far-reaching consequences" of the government's vote on intervention in Syria

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn opposes bombing but has given MPs a free vote amid divisions within his own ranks.

He told MPs: "It is impossible to avoid the conclusion that the prime minister understands public opposition to his ill thought-out rush to war is growing - and wants to hold the vote before it slips from his hands.

"Whether it's the lack of a strategy worth the name, the absence of credible ground troops, the missing diplomatic plan for a Syrian settlement, the failure to address the impact on the terrorist threat or the refugee crisis and civilian casualties.

"It's become increasingly clear that the prime minister's proposals for military action simply do not stack up."

Mr Corbyn's aides say as many as 90 Labour MPs could back the government - and with both the Democratic Unionist Party and the Liberal Democrats backing action Mr Cameron is expected to win parliamentary approval for the UK to intervene militarily in the four-year conflict in Syria.

However, at least 110 MPs from six different parties - including the SNP, which opposes action - have already signed up to an amendment seeking to block air strikes.

Commons Speaker John Bercow said 157 MPs had applied to speak in the debate. A vote is expected at around 22:00 GMT.


Protesters, led by the Stop the War coalition, have taken to the streets of London to oppose bombing

The prime minister caused controversy on the eve of the vote by labelling Mr Corbyn and other opponents of action as "terrorist sympathisers".

The BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg said the comments were a departure from the "carefully crafted" language that Mr Cameron has used over the past week.

He faced calls to apologise for the comments at the start of the debate from Mr Corbyn and a string of Labour, SNP and Lib Dem MPs.

Mr Cameron said: "Everyone in this House should make up their mind on the arguments in this House and there's honour in voting for, there's honour in voting against.

"That is the way this House should operate and that's why I wanted to be absolutely clear at the start of my statement that this is about how we fight terrorism not whether we fight terrorism."



Addressing a meeting of the 1922 Conservative backbench committee, Mr Cameron warned that if Tory MPs voted against strikes they risked undermining a strong message that the UK was standing alongside its allies already engaged in military action.

According to BBC research, of the 640 MPs expected to vote, 362 MPs are in favour of the motion while 175 are against. Of the remainder, 19 are "leaning to" supporting the government, three are "leaning against" while 80 are undecided.

Wednesday's parliamentary schedule - including Prime Minister's Questions - has been scrapped to accommodate a whole day's debate on Syria.

The government says military action is "only one component of a broader strategy" to tackle IS and the UK government would not deploy troops on the ground.




Preparing for battle: Typhoon jets were seen taking off from RAF Marham in Norfolk yesterday ahead of the crucial vote on bombing Syria


Tests: The jets are believed to have flown across the country to the Mach Loop in Snowdonia, where the RAF practises low-level flying

Mr Cameron has been asked to explain his claim there are 70,000 "moderate" ground forces able to fight IS in Syria.

He told MPs the forces were "not ideal, not as many as we would like, but they are people we can work with".

He said that the 70,000 excluded another 25,000 fighters "who are fighting Daesh, but cannot and will not be our partners"

The UK is already providing intelligence, surveillance and other logistical support to countries fighting IS in Syria. The RAF has also carried out thousands of raids on IS targets in Iraq since Parliament approved similar action there last year.



Analysis

By Laura Kuenssberg, BBC political editor

Some nights in Westminster you can feel a crackle in the air, you can sense the tension, and sometimes even see the weight of responsibilities that MPs know they carry collectively in the looks on their faces. Last night was one of them.

For government ministers this vote has been a very long time coming, an obvious extension of the action British forces are taking in Iraq.

Bombing is, to them, part of a complicated set of solutions, but a straightforward decision to make. Don't confuse that however with a sentiment that it is an easy choice.

The run-up to the vote has been marked by a week of turmoil within the Labour Party.

Mr Corbyn has the support of the majority of his MPs but up to half of his shadow cabinet may vote in favour of bombing, including Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn and Deputy Leader Tom Watson.

The Labour leader urged those who take a different view to him to "think again", saying 75% of Labour members polled by the party indicated they opposed air strikes.

Party sources have claimed the number of Labour MPs likely to back the government is falling.

'Bombing Raqqa won't solve problem'

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed her party's 54 MPs will be opposing air strikes, saying bombing on its own will not rid the threat of terrorism or bring peace to Syria.

But the DUP has said its eight MPs will support airstrikes and Lib Dem leader Tim Farron has said action is justified as part of "a measured, legal and broad-based international effort".

MPs rejected air strikes against Syrian government targets in 2013, but ministers say it is "illogical" to carry out strikes in Iraq but not Syria - as IS does not recognise the international border.

Thousands of protesters, led by the Stop the War coalition, took to the streets of London for the second time in four days on Tuesday to protest against bombing.



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"“It is not in doubt,” said Mustafa Saadi, who says his friend saw U.S. helicopters delivering bottled water to Islamic State positions. He is a commander in one of the Shiite militias that last month helped push the militants out of the oil refinery near Baiji in northern Iraq alongside the Iraqi army."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...0968ec-9243-11e5-befa-99ceebcbb272_story.html
so whats britian going to bomb isis with?
water food amunition or money?
 

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Mr Cameron said that in future the UK government would be referring to IS as Daesh as much as possible, because "this evil death cult is neither a true representation of Islam nor is it a state".
That's what they keep saying, and it's patently untrue.
 

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At least you've got a debate; Justine just said no.
 

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Britain becoming a full member of the coalition against ISIS tonight, by going into Syria rather than just ludicrously bombing ISIS in Iraq, will bring a huge number of precision missiles to the war against ISIS in Syria.

The RAF's deadly Brimstone missiles are much sought-after by other countries, who want to buy some.

Laser-guided British missile on standby to wipe out terror chiefs: Brimstone weapons can hit vehicles doing 70mph while generating little debris




British-designed Brimstone missile can hit small and fast-moving targets

Britain and Saudi Arabia only two countries to have invested in Brimstones

The £100,000 weapon can be fired from a Tornado GR4 flying at 20,000ft

By Larisa Brown, Defence Correspondent For The Daily Mail
30 November 2015
Daily Mail

Britain's precision missiles could be used to cut off the ‘snake’s head’ of
Islamic State and instil fear at the top of the terror group if attacks in Syria are authorised.

The laser-guided Brimstone missile, which can hit a small, fast-moving target, could be used by RAF pilots to assassinate IS leaders one by one.


Britain and Saudi Arabia are currently the only two countries in the world to have invested in Brimstones.




The British-designed missile destroys its target with a contained explosion that generates relatively little debris.


It is far more sophisticated than the Americans’ Hellfire weapons, which generate a large and deadly field of shrapnel when they explode.


The £100,000 Brimstone – which was used against Colonel Gaddafi’s regime in Libya in 2011 – can be fired from a Tornado GR4 at 20,000ft and is capable of hitting vehicles travelling at up to 70mph.


It can be launched from a plane which is flying up to seven miles away from its target.


Each missile has a small but highly focused explosive warhead – which reduces the chance of shrapnel hitting civilians – as well as an adjustable fuse which allows the pilot to decide exactly when it will explode.

The RAF would use the state-of-the-art weaponry to take out particular targets on a British ‘kill list’ in Syria should MPs vote in favour of extending the mission this week.


It is understood that Tornado planes would concentrate on hitting the ‘upper tier’ of IS leadership structure in their stronghold.


IS command posts and training camps will also be identified as key targets for any British aircraft operating over Syria, according to Defence Secretary Michael Fallon.


The missile’s dual-mode guidance system – with a laser designator and a sophisticated radar – makes it the ideal weapon for destroying IS fanatics driving on motorbikes or on gun trucks.


It also makes the RAF a formidable force in the IS stronghold of Raqqa, where other coalition nations have struggled to take out targets for fear of civilian casualties in crowded areas.



The laser-guided Brimstone missile, which can hit a small, fast-moving target, could be used by RAF pilots to assassinate IS leaders one by one (file picture)



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At least you've got a debate; Justine just said no.

I'm almost certain that, this time around, unlike in 2013, the UK Parkiament will vote in favour of airstrikes.

According to Sky News' Faisal Islam:

Around 320 of the 330 Conservatives will vote for the air strikes and around ten will be either voting against or abstaining.

There were 232 Labour MPs, but the death of Michael Meacher in October has meant there are now 231, at least probably until the upcoming by-election in Oldham West and Royton (but Ukip could win that). Around 50 of these, Faisal Islam has just said on Twitter and the Sky News website, are expected to vote in favour of air strikes, according to an "informed Labour source", with the rest of the Labour MPs, including leader Jeremy Corbyn and my own representative in parliament Yasmin Qureshi (Bolton South East), who I've just seen on Sky News speaking in the debate, voting against.

All of the 54 SNP MPs are expected to vote against air strikes. The SNP, however, love voting against the Tory Government just for the sake of it and to try and win votes, so they may well vote against air strikes against an evil death cult tonight for no other reason than to go against the Tories.

The eight Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) MPs are expected to vote in favour of air strikes and the one Ukip MP (Douglas Carswell) is expected to vote against.

Some of the eight Lib Dems MPs, including their leader Tim Farron, are expected to vote in favour of air strikes with the rest voting against.

There are four Sinn Féin MPs, but that party follows a policy of abstention at Westminster.

And even if the likes of Plaid Cymru (3 MPs), SDLP (3 MPs), UUP (2MPs), Green Party (1 MP) and independents (3 MPs) all vote against air strikes - and, of course, it's not definite that will happen - the maths still show that the British parliament should vote in favour of air strikes in Syria late tonight.

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RAF On Standby
RAF jets are reportedly being readied for deployment from Lossiemouth in Moray, Scotland, ahead of tonight's vote on military action. Sky's Diplomatic Editor Dominic Waghorn said: " The RAF has precision-guided bombs that the Americans would like to see us bring to the party. Precision-guided bombs still kill civilians but the government would say it is crucial for the RAF to be involved because what they have reduces the chances of collateral damage."


Picture: A Tornado lands at RAF Lossiemouth earlier today.

 
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House of Commons and House of Lords Syria debate latest

Anti-war protester 'under lorry'

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Here is a picture of the anti-war protester who crawled under a lorry at Westminster as MPs debated air strikes on Syria.


The woman initially refused to move, although she is now reported to have been led away by police and arrested.



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Argument presents 'a false choice'




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Hywel Williams (MP for Arfon) speaks from the Plaid Cymru benches and rejects the assertion that his party are pacifist, saying they opposed mililtary action in Iraq but supported it in Libya.

Mr Williams says the debate so far has presented MPs "with a false choice – bomb or do nothing".

He says we can do things that are "reasonable, proportionate and effective", such as aiding the Kurdish Peshmerga and trying to end the conflict between the Turkish government and the Kurds so both forces can fight IS.
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Former Army officer: 'Oppose IS everywhere'



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Crossbench peer and former Army officer Lord Ramsbotham says he welcomes the government's proposal that military action should be "part of a broader strategy to bring peace and stability to Syria". However, he asks: "Why only Syria?" He thinks there should be a coalition against the Islamic State group "everywhere", including Syria's president Assad "whether or not he is going to be part of a longer-term solution"
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Labour becoming 'a vanguard of intolerant pacifism' says John Woodcock



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Labour MP John Woodcock (Barrow and Furness) says not to extend air-strikes to Syria "flies in the face of military logic", given that is where IS headquarters are.


Woodcock says he will "do everything I can" to prevent the Labour party becoming "a vanguard for a sort of angry intolerant pacifism", which will vote against any military intervention.


He adds that some people on his front bench "need to think very carefully about how they are conducting themselves".
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We should strike Isis 'in its heart'



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Conservative MP Daniel Poulter (Central Suffolk and North Ipswich) says that it is important to "strike at Isis in its heart in Syria" to protect people in the UK, and he will support the government.

He adds that it is because of IS that we have a refugee crisis.

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Ulster Unionist in favour of air strikes



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Ulster Unionist Party MP Tom Elliott (Fermanagh and South Tyrone) says he will be voting for air strikes, a decision he says he is "not taking lightly."


He hopes it will protect the citizens of the United Kingdom and the "western world".


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Labour MP Joan Ryan (Enfield North) says she will be voting in favour of air strikes.


She says IS are responsible for "war crimes", and pose "a clear and present danger to the UK, at home and abroad."


She says "it is not right" to expect our allies to fight IS "on our behalf".



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The UK parliament has voted in favour of extending British airstrikes against ISIS into Syria.

Of the 650 MPs, 397 voted in favour and 223 voted against, to secure Cameron a larger than expected majority of 174.

Sixty-six Labour MPs defied their leader Jeremy Corbyn and voted in favour of air strikes, about ten to fifteen more than was expected. It's thought that the brilliant, rousing Churchillian closing speech by Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn which, unusually for the British House of Commons, got a round of applause and cheers afterwards, may have persuaded some Labour MPs in the last few minutes to vote in favour of air strikes. It's almost unprecented that a Shadow Foreign Secretary and his party leader have such differing views over foreign policy. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is unpopular amongst many Labour MPs and many anti-Corbyn rebels in the Labour Party will see Hilary Benn as a future Labour Party leader and Prime Minister after his brilliant speech last night.

Just an hour or so after parliament voted in favour of British air strikes in Syria, RAF Tornados took off from RAF Akrotiri in the British Overseas Territory of Akrotiri and Dhekelia in Cyprus to begin those air strikes.

Syria air strikes: MPs authorise UK action against Islamic State


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3 December 2015




MPs have overwhelmingly backed UK air strikes against so-called Islamic State in Syria, by 397 votes to 223, after an impassioned 10-hour Commons debate.

A total of 66 Labour MPs sided with the government as David Cameron secured a larger than expected Commons majority.

The PM said they had "taken the right decision to keep the country safe".

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn had said the case for war did "not stack up" but shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn had urged MPs to "confront this evil".

Welcoming the Commons result, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said Britain was "safer because of the actions taken by MPs today".

He added: "Military strikes alone won't help Syria, won't keep us safe from Daesh. But this multi-strand approach will."

The UK has been bombing IS (also known as Isis and Daesh) in Iraq since last year and the vast majority of Conservative MPs supported allowing UK air strikes in Syria as well, with just seven - far fewer than expected - voting against.

The SNP, all of whose 54 MPs opposed military action, said it was disappointed and feared the outcome would lead "to Iraq and Libya all over again".

'Public opposition growing'

Mr Corbyn had argued that air strikes would "almost inevitably" result in the deaths of innocent people - but his party was split, with senior Labour figures - including 11 members of the shadow cabinet - voting with the government after they were given a free vote.

The 66 Labour MPs who backed military action was equivalent to 29% of the parliamentary party.

Reacting to the vote, aides to Mr Corbyn said a majority of the parliamentary party and the shadow cabinet had backed his position and the leader's authority had been "enhanced".

Shadow international development secretary Diane Abbott said Mr Corbyn was more in line with the public than the prime minister, telling the BBC that "very soon public opinion will tire of Cameron's war".

But the United States, which along with France, Russia and other countries are already conducting missions in Syria, welcomed the vote, saying "it looks forward to having UK forces flying with the coalition over Syria".

Anti-war protesters staged a demonstration outside Parliament as MPs debated the issue, with one woman crawling under a lorry and refusing to move. She is reported to have been arrested.


Protesters outside Parliament included Stop the War Coalition, trade unions and other groups

Mr Cameron had opened the debate insisting Britain must decide whether it wanted to take on the "evil" of IS, which he said should be referred to as Daesh, in Syria or "wait for them to attack us".

He refused to apologise for saying opponents of military action were "terrorist sympathisers" but said there was "honour" in voting for or against military action.

He also defended his claim that there were 70,000 moderate opposition fighters in Syria, saying it was the estimate of the Joint Intelligence Committee - the UK's senior intelligence body.

But Mr Corbyn accused the PM of rushing the vote because he understood "public opposition to his ill thought-out rush to war is growing".

And he disputed Mr Cameron's claim about ground troops, saying it was "quite clear there are no such forces" and only extremists would take advantage of the strikes against IS.

'The threat is now'

However, as the debate drew to a close Mr Benn was applauded by MPs from across the House, particularly on the Conservative benches, when he urged his own side to "confront this evil" posed by Islamic State, who he said "held our democracy in contempt".


Future Prime Minister?: Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn's remarkable closing speech in favour of air strikes was heavily applauded by MPs - but not his own leader Jeremy Corbyn (pictured sat behind Benn)

In an impassioned speech, Mr Benn said the international community was "faced by fascists and what we know about fascists is that they must be defeated". While there were "rarely perfect circumstances to deploy military forces", he said "the threat is now" and the UK must rise to the challenge.

Former Cabinet ministers Alan Johnson, Yvette Cooper and Margaret Beckett also spoke in favour of military action while deputy leader Tom Watson and former acting leader Harriet Harman also voted with the government.

But former leader Ed Miliband was among the 153 Labour MPs to vote against.

Full list: The 66 Labour MPs who supported military action

Heidi Alexander, Ian Austin, Adrian Bailey, Kevin Barron, Margaret Beckett, Hilary Benn, Luciana Berger, Tom Blenkinsop, Ben Bradshaw, Chris Bryant, Alan Campbell, Jenny Chapman, Vernon Coaker, Ann Coffey, Yvette Cooper, Neil Coyle, Mary Creagh, Stella Creasy,
Simon Danczuk, Wayne David, Gloria De Piero, Stephen Doughty, Jim Dowd, Michael Dugher, Angela Eagle, Maria Eagle, Louise Ellman, Frank Field, Jim Fitzpatrick, Colleen Fletcher, Caroline Flint, Harriet Harman, Margaret Hodge, George Howarth, Tristram Hunt, Dan Jarvis, Alan Johnson, Graham Jones, Helen Jones, Kevan Jones, Susan Elan Jones, Liz Kendall, Dr Peter Kyle, Chris Leslie, Holly Lynch, Siobhain McDonagh, Pat McFadden, Conor McGinn, Alison McGovern, Bridget Phillipson, Jamie Reed, Emma Reynolds, Geoffrey Robinson, Joan Ryan, Lucy Powell, Ruth Smeeth, Angela Smith, John Spellar, Gisela StuartGareth Thomas, Anna Turley, Chuka Umunna, Keith Vaz, Tom Watson, Phil Wilson and John Woodcock

Analysis

By Laura Kuenssberg, BBC political editor

David Cameron has achieved his long-held goal.


Intervening against the extremist forces who call themselves the Islamic State in Syria - it seemed impossible less than a month ago.


But in the weeks since the Paris attacks, the prospect of extending bombing strikes into Syria from Iraq has taken on a reluctant inevitability.

But for the prime minister, with this, his third big foreign intervention - Libya, Iraq, now Syria - pulling together a wider plan to achieve real peace is a far more complex task, one he acknowledges the UK cannot complete on its own.


Read Laura's full blog



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34989302


Full text of Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn’s extraordinary Commons closing speech in favour of Syria airstrikes

The Spectator
2 December 2015




Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Before I respond to the debate, I would like to say this directly to the Prime Minister: Although my right honourable friend the Leader of the Opposition and I will walk into different division lobbies tonight, I am proud to speak from the same Despatch Box as him. My right honourable friend is not a terrorist sympathiser, he is an honest, a principled, a decent and a good man and I think the Prime Minister must now regret what he said yesterday and his failure to do what he should have done today, which is simply to say ‘I am sorry’.

Now Mr Speaker, we have had an intense and impassioned debate and rightly so, given the clear and present threat from Daesh, the gravity of the decision that rests upon the shoulders and the conscience of every single one of us and the lives we hold in our hands tonight. And whatever decision we reach, I hope we will treat one another with respect.

Now we have heard a number of outstanding speeches and sadly time will prevent me from acknowledging them all. But I would just like to single out the contributions both for and against the motion from my honourable and right honourable friends the members for Derby South, Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle, Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford, Barnsley Central, Wakefield, Wolverhampton South East, Brent North, Liverpool, West Derby, Wirral West, Stoke-on-Trent North, Birmingham Ladywood and the honourable members for Reigate, South West Wiltshire, Tonbridge and Malling, Chichester and Wells.

The question which confronts us in a very, very complex conflict is at its heart very simple. What should we do with others to confront this threat to our citizens, our nation, other nations and the people who suffer under the yoke, the cruel yoke, of Daesh? The carnage in Paris brought home to us the clear and present danger we face from them. It could have just as easily been London, or Glasgow, or Leeds or Birmingham and it could still be. And I believe that we have a moral and a practical duty to extend the action we are already taking in Iraq to Syria. And I am also clear, and I say this to my colleagues, that the conditions set out in the emergency resolution passed at the Labour party conference in September have been met.

We now have a clear and unambiguous UN Security Council Resolution 2249, paragraph 5 of which specifically calls on member states to take all necessary measures to redouble and co-ordinate their efforts to prevent and suppress terrorist acts committed specifically by Isil, and to eradicate the safe haven they have established over significant parts of Iraq and Syria.

So the United Nations is asking us to do something. It is asking us to do something now. It is asking us to act in Syria as well as in Iraq. And it was a Labour government that helped to found the United Nations at the end of the Second World War. And why did we do so? Because we wanted the nations of the world, working together, to deal with threats to international peace and security – and Daesh is unquestionably that.

So given that the United Nations has passed this resolution, given that such action would be lawful under Article 51 of the UN Charter – because every state has the right to defend itself – why would we not uphold the settled will of the United Nations, particularly when there is such support from within the region including from Iraq. We are part of a coalition of over 60 countries, standing together shoulder-to-shoulder to oppose their ideology and their brutality.

Now Mr Speaker, all of us understand the importance of bringing an end to the Syrian civil war and there is now some progress on a peace plan because of the Vienna talks. They are the best hope we have of achieving a cease-fire. That would bring an end to Assad’s bombing, leading to a transitional government and elections. And why is that vital? Both because it will help in the defeat of Daesh, and because it would enable millions of Syrians, who have been forced to flee, to do what every refugee dreams of: they just want to be able to go home.

Now Mr Speaker, no-one in this debate doubts the deadly serious threat we face from Daesh and what they do, although sometimes we find it hard to live with the reality. We know that in June four gay men were thrown off the fifth storey of a building in the Syrian city of Deir ez-Zor. We know that in August the 82-year-old guardian of the antiquities of Palmyra, Professor Khaled al-Assad, was beheaded, and his headless body was hung from a traffic light. And we know that in recent weeks there has been the discovery of mass graves in Sinjar, one said to contain the bodies of older Yazidi women murdered by Daesh because they were judged too old to be sold for sex.

We know they have killed 30 British tourists in Tunisia, 224 Russian holidaymakers on a plane, 178 people in suicide bombings in Beirut, Ankara and Suruc, 130 people in Paris, including those young people in the Bataclan whom Daesh – in trying to justify their bloody slaughter – called ‘apostates engaged in prostitution and vice’. If it had happened here, they could have been our children. And we know that they are plotting more attacks.

So the question for each of us – and for our national security – is this: given that we know what they are doing, can we really stand aside and refuse to act fully in our self-defence against those who are planning these attacks? Can we really leave to others the responsibility for defending our national security when it is our responsibility? And if we do not act, what message would that send about our solidarity with those countries that have suffered so much – including Iraq and our ally, France.

Now, France wants us to stand with them and President Hollande – the leader of our sister socialist party – has asked for our assistance and help. And as we are undertaking airstrikes in Iraq where Daesh’s hold has been reduced and we are already doing everything but engage in airstrikes in Syria – should we not play our full part?

It has been argued in the debate that airstrikes achieve nothing. Not so. Look at how Daesh’s forward march has been halted in Iraq. The House will remember that, 14 months ago, people were saying: ‘they are almost at the gates of Baghdad’. And that is why we voted to respond to the Iraqi government’s request for help to defeat them. Look at how their military capacity and their freedom of movement has been put under pressure. Ask the Kurds about Sinjar and Kobani. Now of course, air strikes alone will not defeat Daesh – but they make a difference. Because they are giving them a hard time – and it is making it more difficult for them to expand their territory.

Now, I share the concerns that have been expressed this evening about potential civilian casualties. However, unlike Daesh, none of us today act with the intent to harm civilians. Rather, we act to protect civilians from Daesh – who target innocent people.

Now on the subject of ground troops to defeat Daesh, there’s been much debate about the figure of 70,000 and the government must, I think, better explain that. But we know that most of them are currently engaged in fighting President Assad. But I’ll tell you what else we know, is whatever the number – 70,000, 40,000, 80,000 – the current size of the opposition forces mean the longer we leave taking action, the longer Daesh will have to decrease that number. And so to suggest, Mr Speaker, that airstrikes should not take place until the Syrian civil war has come to an end is, I think, to miss the urgency of the terrorist threat that Daesh poses to us and others, and I think misunderstands the nature and objectives of the extension to airstrikes that is being proposed. And of course we should take action. It is not a contradiction between the two to cut off Daesh’s support in the form of money and fighters and weapons, and of course we should give humanitarian aid, and of course we should offer shelter to more refugees including in this country and yes we should commit to play our full part in helping to rebuild Syria when the war is over.

Now I accept that there are legitimate arguments, and we have heard them in the debate, for not taking this form of action now. And it is also clear that many members have wrestled, and who knows, in the time that is left, may still be wrestling, with what the right thing to do is. But I say the threat is now, and there are rarely, if ever, perfect circumstances in which to deploy military forces. Now we heard very powerful testimony from the honorable member for Eddisbury earlier when she quoted that passage, and I just want to read what Karwan Jamal Tahir, the Kurdistan regional government high representative in London, said last week and I quote: ‘Last June, Daesh captured one third of Iraq over night and a few months later attacked the Kurdistan region. Swift airstrikes by Britain, America and France, and the actions of our own Peshmerga, saved us. We now have a border of 650 miles with Daesh. We’ve pushed them back, and recently captured Sinjar. Again, Western airstrikes were vital. But the old border between Iraq and Syria does not exist. Daesh fighters come and go across this fictional boundary.’ And that is the argument Mr Speaker, for treating the two countries as one, if we are serious about defeating Daesh.

Now Mr Speaker, I hope the house will bear with me if I direct my closing remarks to my Labour friends and colleagues on this side of the House. As a party we have always been defined by our internationalism. We believe we have a responsibility one to another. We never have – and we never should – walk by on the other side of the road.

And we are here faced by fascists. Not just their calculated brutality, but their belief that they are superior to every single one of us in this chamber tonight, and all of the people that we represent. They hold us in contempt. They hold our values in contempt. They hold our belief in tolerance and decency in contempt. They hold our democracy, the means by which we will make our decision tonight, in contempt. And what we know about fascists is that they need to be defeated. And it is why, as we have heard tonight, socialists and trade unionists and others joined the International Brigade in the 1930s to fight against Franco. It’s why this entire House stood up against Hitler and Mussolini. It is why our party has always stood up against the denial of human rights and for justice. And my view, Mr Speaker, is that we must now confront this evil. It is now time for us to do our bit in Syria. And that is why I ask my colleagues to vote for the motion tonight.

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Four RAF Tornados took off from RAF Akrotiri in the British Overseas Territory of Akrotiri and Dhekelia in Cyprus last night to carry out air strikes in Syria just an hour or so after they were approved by parliament.

The "successful" strikes hit the IS-controlled Omar oil fields in eastern Syria, the Defence Secretary said.

But the PM cautioned that the campaign would take time, saying "we're going to need to be patient and persistent".

"It is complex and it is difficult what we are asking our pilots to do, and our thoughts should be with them and their families as they commence this important work," David Cameron said.

The RAF has an edge over other air forces involved in the air strikes in that it can target terrorists in civilian areas but reduce "collateral damage" because of its Brimstone missiles, so it can target areas other air forces, such as the USAF, may struggle to target due to the risk of civilian casualties. However, it's thought the four Tornados last night used Paveway IV missiles as the Omar oil fields they targeted presented little risk of civilian casualties.


Syria air strikes: RAF Tornado jets carry out bombing

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3 December 2015


RAF air strikes against ISIS in Syria began an hour after last night's Commons vote. (Above) An RAF Tornado at RAF Akrotiri in the British Overseas Territory of Akrotiri and Dhekelia in Cyprus preparing for air strikes last night


RAF Tornado jets have carried out their first air strikes against the self-styled Islamic State in Syria, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.

Four Tornados from RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus took part in the operation soon after MPs voted to approve bombing.

The "successful" strikes hit the IS-controlled Omar oil fields in eastern Syria, the Defence Secretary said.

But the PM cautioned that the campaign would take time, saying "we're going to need to be patient and persistent".

"It is complex and it is difficult what we are asking our pilots to do, and our thoughts should be with them and their families as they commence this important work," David Cameron said.

MPs overwhelmingly backed UK military action against IS - also known as Daesh - in Syria, by 397 votes to 223, after a 10-hour Commons debate on Wednesday.

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said the MoD would be assessing the damage done by the bombing later, but the aim was to strike "a very real blow on the oil and revenue on which Daesh depends".

He had personally approved the targets ahead of the Commons vote, he said.

He confirmed that eight more jets - two Tornados and six Typhoons - were being sent to to join the eight existing jets at the Akrotiri base.

The Typhoons have left RAF Lossiemouth in Moray to join the air strikes.

Mr Fallon said there was a "very rigorous" process by which targets were chosen, and all British military action would adhere to "very strict rules of engagement".

Asked how long the UK might be involved in the coalition campaign against IS in Syria, he said it would "not be quick", but argued it had not been right to leave bombing to other air forces.

On the issue of ground forces, he said the prime minister of Iraq had made it very clear he did not want Western troops on the ground to fight IS.

But the UK could still achieve "plenty from the air", including cutting off IS sources of income such as oil fields, he added.



In a statement, the MoD said the British jets - supported by a Voyager air refuelling tanker, an unmanned Reaper drone and other coalition aircraft - had attacked six targets.

"Carefully selected elements of the oilfield infrastructure were targeted, ensuring the strikes will have a significant impact on Daesh's ability to extract the oil to fund their terrorism," it said.

Before the attacks, pilots used the aircrafts' sensors to confirm "no civilians were in the proximity of the targets", it stated.

The RAF has been carrying out operations against IS in Iraq since last year.

To date, the US has conducted nearly all of the air strikes in Syria and Iraq, with France, Australia and Denmark also taking part.

Mr Cameron said he was glad there had been "strong support" from Parliament for the UK to extend its strikes to Syria, and said he believed the move would also be supported by Muslim countries.

French foreign affairs minister Laurent Fabius welcomed UK military action, adding: "A fortnight after the 13 November [Paris] attacks, this is a concrete demonstration of solidarity with our country."


Analysis

By BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Beale at RAF Akrotiri



We watched the orange/blue glow from the engine afterburners of a pair of Tornados disappear into the night sky. Each aircraft was carrying three 500lb Paveway bombs.

Less than an hour later, they were followed by a second pair loaded with the same weapons.

The use of high precision Paveway IV bombs, rather than the Brimstone missile, suggests they were hitting static rather than moving targets.

We waited for the first pair of Tornados to return to base. They landed after just over three hours in the air. As they taxied on the runway, it was clear to see their bombs were missing.



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ISIS sniper team silenced by direct hit from a single Paveway bomb: RAF takes out terrorists firing on Iraqi troops near Ramadi as 150 British troops fly out to wage war in Syria which is set to last three years

RAF bombers have targeted oil fields in eastern Syria in the wake of Parliament voting to approve airstrikes

A total of six Tornado jets were sent into action from RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus yesterday equipped with 500lb bombs

They are now joined by two more Tornados and four Typhoons as well as 15 extra pilots and 135 crew members

Last night a team of ISIS snipers were killed by an RAF bomb after they started firing on Iraqi troops

Efforts to disrupt ISIS's ability to sell oil could mean that it is more difficult to recruit and pay jihadist fighters

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon warned that the military campaign could last for 'at least three years' in total

See our full news coverage of the fight against ISIS militants at www.dailymail.co.uk/isis


By Matt Chorley, Political Editor and Larisa Brown In Cyprus and Hugo Gye for MailOnline
4 December 2015
Daily Mail

A team of ISIS snipers was killed by an RAF airstrike last night as Britain continues to step up the fight against the terror group which is set to last at least three years.

Four Tornado GR4 jets set out overnight from RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus, with two carrying out reconnaissance in Syria and two providing air support for the Iraqi army.

The Ministry of Defence revealed that when a 'terrorist sniper team' began firing on Britain's allies, they were 'silenced by a direct hit' from a 500lb laser-guided bomb dropped by one of the Tornados.

The RAF has transported 150 military personnel and eight additional bomber jets to Cyprus in preparation for further airstrikes within Syria, following the first raids yesterday which saw seven Paveway bombs dropped on ISIS territory.

Mission: Typhoons, including the one pictured, are among the extra fighter jets to have flown to RAF Akrotiri
in the British Overseas Territory of Akrotiri and Dhekelia in Cyprus to join in air strikes in Syria


Striking back: British warplanes carried out airstrikes in Syria early Thursday, hours after Parliament voted to authorize air attacks against Islamic State group targets there


On a mission: An RAF Typhoon planes flies off from the RAF Akrotiri airbase in southern Cyprus

The raids are said to have wiped millions off the value of oil held by ISIS, which diplomatic sources suggested could disrupt the group's deadly terror network by reducing the funding it uses to pay the jihadist fighters who protect its territory in Iraq and Syria and carry out attacks on the West.

The UK Government is apparently targeting 'anything to do with ISIS and oil' as the first step towards defeating the terrorists in the aftermath of Wednesday's night's vote to authorise Syrian airstrikes.

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon warned yesterday that the campaign 'is not going to be quick', suggesting that the conflict against ISIS could last at least three years in total.

The MoD said in a statement today: 'Royal Air Force aircraft have continued offensive operations against the Daesh terrorist network inside Syria and Iraq.

'Overnight on December 3/4, Tornado GR4s from RAF Akrotiri conducted missions over Syria and Iraq.

'Two GR4s flew an armed reconnaissance patrol over eastern Syria, gathering intelligence on terrorist activity. A second pair of GR4s patrolled over western Iraq, where they provided close air support to Iraqi forces engaged in combat with Daesh in and around Ramadi.

'A terrorist sniper team opened fire from a compound on Iraqi troops, but was silenced by a direct hit from a Paveway IV guided bomb.'


Raids: British Tornado bombers returning to their base at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus after flying air raids over ISIS targets in Syria yesterday; the jet on the left was missing one of its three Paveway missiles having dropped a bomb on an oil field


Equipment: This image shows the bombs and laser guidance attached to a Tornado jet after it had dropped one Paveway bomb in Syria, along with chaff dispensers which help to avoid the plane being detected by radar systems



Yesterday four Tornado GR4 jets were sent from RAF Akrotiri to bomb the Omar oilfield, which provides around 10 per cent of ISIS's oil supplies.

The field has previously been hit by American forces - but an Arab diplomat suggested that the US had not done enough to disrupt the jihadists' economic activity.

'We have been giving the Americans the precise coordinates of the oil routes for months, but they do not seem to have done very much about it,' the diplomat told the Daily Telegraph.

'If you really want to damage Isil, then cut off their supply lines. If they don't have the oil revenues then they will not be able to pay their fighters, and they will become a far less attractive proposition for would-be jihadists.'

A local activist told the Guardian: 'Yesterday was very violent as it targeted anything that has to do with Daesh and oil.'

Experts have suggested that raids by Britain's allies have already halved the amount of oil that ISIS is able to sell in order to finance its operations around the world.

After the initial raids, six Eurofighter Typhoons touched down at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus to join the war against ISIS, after flying from RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland. Two Tornado warplanes also travelled from RAF Marham in Norfolk.

The eight aircraft doubled the number of jets already stationed at the base, and were joined by 150 military personnel providing support for the raids.

The Typhoons - which are not equipped with precision Brimstone missiles - are likely to be deployed over Iraq to drop bombs on larger targets and free up other Tornado jets for Syria.


Ready for action: A Typhoon fighter jet stationed on the tarmac at RAF Akrotiri in the British Overseas Territory of Akrotiri and Dhekelia, near Cyprus's second city of Limassol





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